Seven Ages Of Rock

RRfish · Post by **RRfish** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:37 am

Tito no offense taken. And I do not mean to offend anyone's intelligence, just to pose questions for thought. It is just that so many rumors that are not true keep being perpetuated, and it just makes me want to spit. For years, after Randy passed away, I was under the belief that the Osbourne's paid for, and were the people who wanted the Marble Encasement built at Mountain View. I had spoke with friends about how cool and thoughtful, it was of the Osbourne's to do that for Randy. Many said that no, indeed they had not paid or even suggested that at all. But yet that rumor was perpetuated.

I think it is the 18th or 19th paragraph down in this article by a San Bernardino Newspaper, "Inland Empire Weekly", Titled "Colossus of Rhoads", which clearly states that contrary to popular belief, the Osbourne's did not pay for the Mountain View Encasement.

http://www.ieweekly.com/cms/story/detai ... hoads/316/

Even the whole Randy slept with Sharon thing is ridiculous, after Sharon stated that in many interviews, she kept wafflling around it, even getting to the point where she was saying that Ozzy was attracted to him physically. Believe me when I say, Randy had much more attractive options, including his Jodi.

I don't doubt that the Osbourne's had a hand in the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" achievement for Randy. Connections are a plus as we all know. But as well ,I remember people posting here questioning some photos of Delores handing Sharon a note or card, and whether or not there were any hard feelings between them. To be honest, Delores is a very gracious person, and it would be in her nature to be thankful that her son was remembered in this way. As well grateful, that Ozzy and Sharon helped that along. It does not erase the fact, which even Ozzy, on countless occasions, has admitted, "Randy was the best thing that had ever came into his life!"

All of this is as ridiculous as saying, Ozzy, composed, and wrote all the lyrics for the two most famous, and influential albums of that era. Obviously, Randy, Lee and Bob were just Ozzy's side kicks, Ehhhhhhh! If you believe that I guess you would believe anything Sharon has to say. I guess Sharon could also take the credit for Randy's unmatched virtuoso abilities. So I guess Sharon must have "discovered" Randy.

We know that Ozz has benefited financially from that, but we also know, that artistically, performing and writing wise, neither Bob or Lee gained or received proper royalties. I wish the Osbourne's would post on here or document in a newspaper, exactly what royalties have been paid to the Rhoads family estate. That would clear the air would it not? Blunt, yes I am! Randy and his family are good people! Sometimes the good in people is too good!

NicDots · Post by **NicDots** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:54 am

RRfish wrote:NicDots, not rolling eyes at you at all, and actually had nothing to do with your post. It often happens that people re-write history to benefit themselves. That is where the rolling eyes come in. Rashomon is a perfect example. Sorry if you took it that way, not my intent at all. I guess I would rather hear the facts from Randy's interviews/articles and his family, then the people who continue to profit from his incredible talent. From what I understand Sharon was not even there that night, and Ozzy told her about Randy after, Randy did his audition. But I heard this from friends and family back in 79', so I could be wrong!

Even Randy's friends and family have different versions of events. Kevin DuBrow and Rudy Sarzo are good examples of that.

Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:57 am

Exacty, not uncommon there are more 'truths' out there when different people telling their story...., some we can't verify, and some we can. It's up to the public to judge.

RRfish · Post by **RRfish** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:54 pm

Fair enough Dutch !

RR-ElectricAngel · Post by **RR-ElectricAngel** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:06 am

I didn't know that about the Mountain View Encasement. I too was lead to believe the Osbournes flipped the bill. Shame on me... Randy, it seems was surrounded by wolves most of the time. That's why I try to filter out the bad tales told about him. He is not here to defend himself against those trying to grab the spotlight if for just a few seconds. Stories like that always get taller as the years go by. i never said they were false but I'm sure thay are a little embellished.

FYI-I just found out that Ozzy is now looking for a new guitarist. Zakk is out for now and it appears that John 5 is the "hottest" player for this moment. That's another thread in itself. If Ozzy ever wants to redeem himself he really needs to resolve the wreckage of his past. Drugs can only drown out the demons so long. Zakk was probably frustrated in the Ozzy box. I can't imagine how John 5 will fair. His style of playing (85%) is exactly the opposite of what Ozzy's music is all about. He loves fast country picking. Ozzy hates that kind of playing. To him it sounds like chicken scratchin' nonsense. In my opinion, John 5 should go solo because the restraints of riff rock would drive him crazy. He could do a tour but an album? I don't see him writing slow riffs and limited solos for an entire Ozzy album. Well maybe if he did it in a staight jacket.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:11 am

One thing that makes me have faith in John 5 is his versatility. He has played for Salt and Pepper, KD Lang, Marlylin Manson and many others. He has many different hats. He is also a very focussed and professional musician, so playing and recording for Ozzy I think would work well.

Matt

whoopiecat · Post by **whoopiecat** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:25 pm

Though it would never happen, Ozzy would be better off calling it a career and doing some damage control to repair the damage done to his legacy.
They should take a look at their finances, and once and for all, properly compensate everyone who helped build his career into the enterprise it is today.
I understand why US didn't get a remaster, but what was the story with SOTD? Is it a royalty issue with Sabbath, or Brad, Tommy and Rudy?
They got off light with the POD box , as it was pretty much Randy and Zakk.
There is one boxed set that could have been much better.
Seems odd to me that Sharon got Ozzy out of the bad deal they had with her father and Jet records, as they were allegedly being screwed, but then she turns around and follows the same business practice?

A shrewd businesswoman, to be sure...but as a person?
It seems the Wreckage of My Past film is to help people's perception of Ozzy through what they learned from the TV shows, I don't know how well the story can be told, as Ozzy doesn't remember a lot of his own career.
They must know that a large majority of their fans are disappointed in their actions, but it seems they just don't care.
RRFish, thanks for the article on Mt. View. I am baffled as to why folks feel the need to take a piece of Randy's tomb. I feel bad the family had to have gates installed. There's a part of fandom I'll never understand.
I guess the John 5 thing could work out...in addition to the bands Matt has mentioned, John also played with Blasko in Rob Zombie's outfit. I do like John's playing. I thought he was a good fit in both Manson & Zombie, and we already have a good idea what his thoughts are on Randy.

Cryptic Night · Post by **Cryptic Night** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:04 pm

I don't think Ozzy wanted to keep SOTD because he never liked the album. i don't think it really has much of anything to do with who wrote the songs and who played on the songs (the Osbournes have never had trouble with any of them. at least not to my knowledge)

the album was forced into production by Jet Records. Ozzy didn't want to do it because Randy had just passed away and Ozzy was still mourning the loss. it was supposed to feature some of Randy's songs, but Ozzy wouldn't have it because he felt like people would think he's just taking advantage of his bandmate's death. (kind of ironic considering who he is now, huh?)

Ozzy called the album "an album full of bullshit sabbath covers" or something to that effect.

don't quote me on any of this, for i'm not 100% sure on these facts, but i'm pretty sure that's why Ozzy took the album off.

estang74 · Post by **estang74** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:55 pm

I am a huge Sabbath fan and while I would prefer to listen to the originals, I have a soft spot for SOTD. Brad plays his ass off on that record(solo in snowblind comes to mind right away) That record helped me get into Sabbath more because I discovered Ozzy before I really discovered Sabbath.

RRfish · Post by **RRfish** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:28 am

RememberRandyRhoads, I'm not going to quote you on your statements, my understanding was at that point Jet had nothing to do with the production of that record, and furthermore if Ozzy felt the album was , "an album full of bullshit sabbath covers" "Why did he punch my friend Randy in the face ,for not wanting to do bullshit Sabbeth covers?" Because Ozzy wanted to do them, that;'s why!

NicDots · Post by **NicDots** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:09 am

I think Rudy mentioned that Ozzy was drunk. Ozzy hit lots of people back then.

Cryptic Night · Post by **Cryptic Night** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:14 am

I believe Jet wanted a live record released from him, and it was supposed to be what was on Tribute or something, but Ozzy wouldn't do that so he quickly recorded a bunch of Sabbath numbers for the live album. (I think Ozzy talks about it in either DOAM, BOO, or Tribute remasters '02 version.)

whoopiecat · Post by **whoopiecat** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:44 pm

Thanks for the feedback on SOTD. The funny thing is, we'll never know if Ozzy has had any problem with former members, as none of them have really ever spoke, (or have been able to speak), about their time with Ozzy, with the exception of Torme.
The book "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath: The Battle For Black Sabbath" did have comments by Bernie Torme I hadn't read before. He thought it strange that Ozzy never really mentioned anything from the stage about losing Randy. It was if they dressed Bernie, and cut his hair like Randy, and moved on as if nothing had happened. Granted, folks deal with grief in different ways, but it was odd nothing was ever said.
The only tribute, before Tribute, was what was written in runes on the SOTD album...you write a tribute to the man, and put it on an album he wanted no part of, in a language no one could read without their Capt. Midnight Secret Decoder Ring?
Also, near the end of Rudy's book, wasn't Sharon upset with him for leaving the band to re-join QR? I believe I've read in the past that Ozzy gave Rudy one to the face sometime in the mid 80's.
I think Ozzy, more than any artist, has an incredible amount of regret he must live with. Sure, he's infamous and stupid-wealthy now, but at what cost?

estang74 · Post by **estang74** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:32 pm

Isn't it crazy when you are a kid you have this image on what being in a rock band is all about. You think you have it all figured out when you're 12 and then you realize as you get older and actually play in a band of your own that you had no clue lol.

I think the internet has really brought the reality of playing in a band up front. These stories we get to hear from people who knew Randy are great. I think it paints the picture that everything wasn't honky dory and that bands don't get along all the time.

I know with all the info that has come out over the last couple of years that I have lost a lot of respect for the Osbournes, especially with the royalty battle. I think its BS to screw with the two most important albums in your catalog just because you don't want to pay someone royalites, especially when one of those people pretty much helped write and arrange that album.

That's the thing that kills me, respect the people that made that album, I'm positive that Randy wouldn't have been cool with re recording Blizzard with different musicians.

Cryptic Night · Post by **Cryptic Night** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:08 pm

you seem to forget that Ozzy also had BATM, NRFTW, and NMT were also brutally remastered.. it wasn't just BOO and DOAM.

i wonder what Zakk thinks of this matter?