Health Insurance Bill

[oth]

Our military is govt run.Do we call our military socialized?

We know what happens when we use private military contractors,we get charged 1000.00 per day per contractor.That is 10x more than what a govt soldier cost us.We get ripped off.Same with private healthcare.


Why do we call govt run healthcare 'socialized.I feel the term is used in a deragatory manner to imply substandard.My healthcare is criminal-its about making sure my insurance company can deny treatment i need so they can fatten their profits.Thats criminal and thats a fact.Its immoral and criminal.I pay out of my pocket every month and i am still not covered.

[tedeeoo]

Our military is govt run.Do we call our military socialized?

We know what happens when we use private military contractors,we get charged 1000.00 per day per contractor.That is 10x more than what a govt soldier cost us.We get ripped off.Same with private healthcare.


Why do we call govt run healthcare 'socialized.I feel the term is used in a deragatory manner to imply substandard.My healthcare is criminal-its about making sure my insurance company can deny treatment i need so they can fatten their profits.Thats criminal and thats a fact.Its immoral and criminal.I pay out of my pocket every month and i am still not covered.

That is why I think our government owes it to us to get this right, what they have in congress right now amounts to a lame attempt at health insurance reform, it is an overblown bill with about 1800 pages of buerocratic crap. Who do you think makes the decision to use private military contractors? The military falls under the government's juristiction, not mine or yours, and given the job they have done with our military and nearly every other program they oversee, I think it is only fair that we hold them accountable on one of the most important issues we have. I hope I have not implied that a "socialized" medical system is sub-standard, if I have that is certainly not my intent. I am certain that the medical care in countries that have this type of system is fine, I merely want more information about it from someone who actually lives in a country that has it (Trigger). Our government has not proposed a socialized medical system, if they are considering it don't they owe it to us to ask the same questions I am asking and to actually look at a country that has had it long enough to know what works and what doesn't. Seems to me this country should know by now to not jump into things before you really look at what's there. Hey, its just my view on it, I am by no means saying that I am right or that anybody else is wrong, just that we ask the questions.

[oth]

The current bill does suck because it doesnt cover much and is actually a benefit to the middleman(insurance scammers).
I would like any bill that basically the insurance companies hate.That would be an indication we have something that is less about greed and profit and more about health.

The fact that lobbyists run DC makes me ill.There are 3000 health insurance lobbyists on cap hill.That means there 6 lobbyists devoted to each congressman trying to influence/bribe them into making decisions that benefit the health insurance industries bottom line.It is so dirty its nauseating.

I went to France and had to visit a doctor when i got sick.Total bill with anti biotics and meds was 55us dollars!!!Thats less than half what just the doctor visit would cost me here with my insrance coverage-never mind the meds!!!!
And canada's hc blows away this noncare we have here.You can see any doctor,any hospital etc...They dont have networks because there are no restrictions like here where you have to pick from a list.Its a joke what a bunch of lies people have been sold here by these scammers/hmo's.

[Trigger]

Could you please provide specifics on your system.

Hi Ted its getting late here and I just saw this, I will try to answer all your questions in the morning

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

Could you please provide specifics on your system.

Hi Ted its getting late here and I just saw this, I will try to answer all your questions in the morning

Are you wankered too?

Matt

[tedeeoo]

I went to France and had to visit a doctor when i got sick.Total bill with anti biotics and meds was 55us dollars!!!Thats less than half what just the doctor visit would cost me here with my insrance coverage-never mind the meds!!!!
And canada's hc blows away this noncare we have here.You can see any doctor,any hospital etc...They dont have networks because there are no restrictions like here where you have to pick from a list.Its a joke what a bunch of lies people have been sold here by these scammers/hmo's.

This is the kind of thing I am talking about, our elected politicians need to hear about and talk about this kind of stuff. Most people (including me) around here never hear anything like this, especially from our elected officials. I look forward to hearing back from Trigger on this also.

[cableguyxx]

a good start to all of this would be to start implementing term limits instead of having these lifelong dirty wind-bags in office because so many simply choose the incumbent because they are too lazy to read up on the opposing people, and also the ridiculous life-long appointments of the supreme court. Take away their life long benefits(beyond ridiculous) as well. Give them the same medical and social security benefits. Take away the carrot, like they themselves are doing to CEO's of banks & financial institutions, and see how they like it. Take some of the power away from the federal government, and make it about serving their constituents again, instead of insuring their own interests, their lobbyists, and their political careers.

[tedeeoo]

a good start to all of this would be to start implementing term limits instead of having these lifelong dirty wind-bags in office because so many simply choose the incumbent because they are too lazy to read up on the opposing people, and also the ridiculous life-long appointments of the supreme court. Take away their life long benefits(beyond ridiculous) as well. Give them the same medical and social security benefits. Take away the carrot, like they themselves are doing to CEO's of banks & financial institutions, and see how they like it. Take some of the power away from the federal government, and make it about serving their constituents again, instead of insuring their own interests, their lobbyists, and their political careers.

Amen to that.

[NicDots]

I went to France and had to visit a doctor when i got sick.Total bill with anti biotics and meds was 55us dollars!!!Thats less than half what just the doctor visit would cost me here with my insrance coverage-never mind the meds!!!!
And canada's hc blows away this noncare we have here.You can see any doctor,any hospital etc...They dont have networks because there are no restrictions like here where you have to pick from a list.Its a joke what a bunch of lies people have been sold here by these scammers/hmo's.

This is the kind of thing I am talking about, our elected politicians need to hear about and talk about this kind of stuff. Most people (including me) around here never hear anything like this, especially from our elected officials. I look forward to hearing back from Trigger on this also.

Everyone's got different stories. A friend of mine was studying abroad in Spain and got her foot broken by the sliding doors of a subway car. Went to doctor one who did not set her foot correctly and then gave her the wrong prescription medication. Not to say that that's the "problem" with social medicine, but just that incompetent doctors don't belong to a specific political ideology.

[oth]

a good start to all of this would be to start implementing term limits instead of having these lifelong dirty wind-bags in office because so many simply choose the incumbent because they are too lazy to read up on the opposing people, and also the ridiculous life-long appointments of the supreme court. Take away their life long benefits(beyond ridiculous) as well. Give them the same medical and social security benefits. Take away the carrot, like they themselves are doing to CEO's of banks & financial institutions, and see how they like it. Take some of the power away from the federal government, and make it about serving their constituents again, instead of insuring their own interests, their lobbyists, and their political careers.

Oh yeah,ALL congressman and senators get FREE,ALL EXPENSE PAID GOVT RUN MEDICAL CARE that is run by the govt!So they tells us how bad socialized medicine is for us but take it themselves!Now if its good enough for them then why cant the rest of us get it?I also would like to see all of the politicians who are opposed to healthcare reform or who are willing to compromise healthcare reform, to lose their coverage and be forced to pay for it.I am sure these old farts will love how much better private insurance is-hahaha!That is if they would be able to find a company that would insure them at their age.Remember old age is a pre existing condition just like pregnancy,rape and domestic violence are considered valid reasons to deny coverage(this is why our healthcare is morally criminal).God what an education in the real world that would be for these politicians.

[tedeeoo]

I went to France and had to visit a doctor when i got sick.Total bill with anti biotics and meds was 55us dollars!!!Thats less than half what just the doctor visit would cost me here with my insrance coverage-never mind the meds!!!!
And canada's hc blows away this noncare we have here.You can see any doctor,any hospital etc...They dont have networks because there are no restrictions like here where you have to pick from a list.Its a joke what a bunch of lies people have been sold here by these scammers/hmo's.

This is the kind of thing I am talking about, our elected politicians need to hear about and talk about this kind of stuff. Most people (including me) around here never hear anything like this, especially from our elected officials. I look forward to hearing back from Trigger on this also.

Everyone's got different stories. A friend of mine was studying abroad in Spain and got her foot broken by the sliding doors of a subway car. Went to doctor one who did not set her foot correctly and then gave her the wrong prescription medication. Not to say that that's the "problem" with social medicine, but just that incompetent doctors don't belong to a specific political ideology.

And we do need to hear both sides, thanks for this NicDots.

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

I have two points; firstly to be devil's advocate, does a bad experience with private or social health care reflect the service working inefficiently? Or does it prove that old fashioned human negligence has been at work, which is a whole different story...

The other point is really a question to the American posters; How much is your tax projected to increase by should this come into action?

cheers

Matt

[oth]

The other point is really a question to the American posters; How much is your tax projected to increase by should this come into action?

cheers

Matt

The tax issue is a red herring.Our taxes would go up minimally relative to the yearly massive increases in our health insurance bills.In fact we would have more money in our pockets.
In january my coverage went up 40%-during a financial global meltdown!

I pay 2000.00 yr for my coverage,some people pay that each month.Many people pay much more than that.There is no rhyme or reason for the billing just fat profits on your health.
I consider that a tax.A tax much worse or evil than any govt could stick you with.
Every year 750,000 people are forced into bankruptcy by their medical bills-and these are people who have medical insurance!!!

Any tax that would pay for healthcare would be cheaper than having a wall st scam industry in charge of ripping us off.And we would be much healthier.

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

To answer Ted's earlier post from a personal perspective. I am self employed and 12 percent of my wages go on tax. Everything is covered except; prescriptions for me are £7.40 (although if you earn below a certain amount theyare free) and also glasses if I need a new pair are £100 every 5 years or so. These are again free or heavily discounted if you are on benefits or a low wage. The dentist is mainly free but you have to pay like a top up fee some times.

For example my last filling and check up were abut £20.

I can see a doctor straight away and have never had nay negative experiences with the NHS. No long waits, incompetence etc. Many family and friends (some have passed too who were elderly) were cared for by them and I was always impressed by the service they received.

I like the NHS being there. It is just one less thing in life to worry about! LOL

Matt

[Trigger]

I hope this answers your questions Ted, and sorry for the delay.

1. What percentage of your paycheck goes to fund your healthcare system,

I pay about $15 per month.

2. Do you pay anything out of pocket for healthcare ( Including dental, vision and prescription drugs)

we pay for prescriptions $9.00 but the drugs are free, all the services you listed are free but we do also have private services in these as well.

3. Do you see the doctor of your choice (including specialist)

Yes

4. What is your normal wait time to see a physician (emergency, walk-in and appointment)

We walk into the hospital and are treated within an hour if the problem is complex and has to be treated by more than one individual this can take longer.

No disrespect here Trigger, but a lot of people here (and I do mean a lot), still hold to the fact that we (U.S.) were not set up to be a socialist country, we were actually set up to have less government involvement in our lives.

Britain isn’t a Socialist State or ever has been a socialist state, we have social based governments but that isn’t the same as a one party system which is often confused for Socialism, We can’t be a Socialist state because (sadly) we are a Monarchy.

To a lot of people socialized medicine (and that's just using this topic as an example) represents getting away from that principle.I understand but if the tax burden was like ours it would be less of a burden that some might like you to believe.

It can be argued that a nation of substance takes care of its assets Ie, its population because without a healthy populace the nation ceases to function.

My question is now as it has always been, has our government truly looked at this issue in the right way, it seems that the current administration only sees one view and that anyone outside of that view is not looked upon favorably. And the alternate view (Republican) is just to oppose for the sake of opposition. Neither of those views represent what is best for the American people in my opinion.

If that is true it is bad governance on the part of either wings of mainstream US politics and you need to examine the integrity and history of the parties concerned, as well as other competing current policies. Political figures are often sponsored by large industrial supporters which often put pressure on the politician to vote/support what is in the backers best interest which calls into question the integrity of your elected officials.