RANDY RHOADS' Family Sues Margolis and Klein

[skezza]

I don't think I could be any more sad about this whole mess. Reading how disillusioned people are, and knowing the fact that dannyahansen is right, both UR and TK were massive a few years ago. Sometimes getting 100s of posts a day, but theres only so much people will take, being messed around, being told footage is available but they've decided they aren't going to release it. It's like being held hostage.

I think the best thing we can do is appreciate the music we have by Randy Rhoads, but not expect anything. Photos? Sure. Little clips perhaps from old camcorders? Maybe, unlikely. The holy grail (whatever that may be)? No.

I don't know who is to blame. The lawsuit clearly says that the individuals involved have broken their copyright, so if that is true, then they are, simple, thats how copyright works... but to what extent I don't know. There is a lot of unanswered questions. All I know is, once again, we, the fans, have nothing.

[Geo Sav]

I guess we should be used to this. It's the same story over and over again.

[whoopiecat]

Yet on the positive side, in the past two years, the Osbournes returned both Blizzard and Diary to their former glory, along with a DVD that had a very clean After Hours and a short book of pics, as well as a live set no one had heard previous, (otherwise, the venue would have been nailed down by this point.)
Joel McIver released a fine 254 page book, which some say is material we've read before, but now it's all collected in one handsome volume, along with material from folks we hadn't heard from previous.
The Rosen/Klein book at the center of the current drama, which is packed with rarities, and now the Sobol book and DVD which are further packed with rare photos and footage.
That's an awful lot of material for people to enjoy. If you chose not to obtain any of this, for whatever your reasons, that's a decision you have to live with, I suppose...but I can't see myself asking for more when my plate is more than full.
Part of the problem here seems to be we've been given some, but folks still ask for more.
Membership may have fallen off as folks may be tired of reading the same people complaining about the same things again and again.
We got rare footage and photos of Randy from both eras...it may not be the length or quality folks were hoping for, but it is what it is.
Stop your sobbing and want what you have, instead of having what you want.

~Tom

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

Yet on the positive side, in the past two years, the Osbournes returned both Blizzard and Diary to their former glory, along with a DVD that had a very clean After Hours and a short book of pics, as well as a live set no one had heard previous, (otherwise, the venue would have been nailed down by this point.)
Joel McIver released a fine 254 page book, which some say is material we've read before, but now it's all collected in one handsome volume, along with material from folks we hadn't heard from previous.
The Rosen/Klein book at the center of the current drama, which is packed with rarities, and now the Sobol book and DVD which are further packed with rare photos and footage.
That's an awful lot of material for people to enjoy. If you chose not to obtain any of this, for whatever your reasons, that's a decision you have to live with, I suppose...but I can't see myself asking for more when my plate is more than full.
Part of the problem here seems to be we've been given some, but folks still ask for more.
Membership may have fallen off as folks may be tired of reading the same people complaining about the same things again and again.
We got rare footage and photos of Randy from both eras...it may not be the length or quality folks were hoping for, but it is what it is.
Stop your sobbing and want what you have, instead of having what you want.

~Tom

Completely agree, though the frustration knowing there is other stuff out there is just that - frustrating. Were this just about any other artist, this would be a non- factor, and said "stuff" would be released already, long ago. I guess we live in an era where so much stuff is available for so many artists that this is hard for people to fathom. Plus, the Randy Rhoads fanbase tends to dwell on the minutiae of his career and life.

In the end, though, it is all about the music, as I've said before, and no one can take that away at this point.

Gotta agree, though, that a lot of stuff has been released in the past couple years, far more than was available for years. It's been great in that respect.

I think how the whole thing is unfolding is frustrating people the most, though. It just seems so...unnecessary.

[fortress]

Enough stuff in the past years?? You mean, alot of the same story again and again... YOu've said it yourself, its about the music. And on the musical side, we got nothing really new and GOOD at the same time. We know that some new unheard stuff is out there and its what frustrate me and others.

[meadsie]

I agree Tom we do have a fair amount of stuff to go with - however, the majority of the fans are interested in Randy and Ozzy - not particulary Randy and Quiet Riot.


The two albums he produced with Ozzy knock spots of anything he did with quiet riot as this is where he was / has developed into really something special.

The frustrating part is that the fans know that:-

Bob Daisley has rehearsal / studio tapes that would be fantastic to one day hear,
The "Brothers" have front row fantastic footage of Randy live with Ozzy.
I do not believe that anyone else is holding any better footage than the brothers no matter what anyone says - I also doubt that Ozzy actually knows it exists, if he did the osbournes know there is money to be made from it so will try and release it but it would mean tense negoiations with the Rhoads family (So that is a no then!).


It is knowing that these exist and will almost definately never be issued is the frustrating part.
Hence - that as soons as just hint of ANYTHING ozzy related is seen or heard the rumours, gossip and slagging off starts.

For me now - i visit the "Randy" Boards not very often as like you said - we have heard it all before.
Yes, I will check back now and again just in the hope that perhpas one day..... but to be honest, i'm fed up with it all.
After 30 years of waiting and knowing what is there - I feel it is time to call it a day.

I have what I have and that wont ever fade.
No one is really helping or caring about Randy's legacy unless there is a quick $$$$ in it for them.
The only ones that do care are the fans - I think the sand is finally running out of the timer..

Randy - you will always inspire me, not the people around you.

RIP.

Richard

[whoopiecat]

Like Randy, Duane Allman had just 20 songs recorded with the Allman Brothers Band and one double live album when he passed at the age of 24 in 1971, yet that organization has released next to nothing from the Duane/Berry era, and Duane still remains as important today as Clapton, Page and Beck.
I thought by now, Metallica would have released something more from the days of Mr. Burton, (there's an instance where we know DOTG was filmed!), but fans have had to make due with 'Cliff 'em All'.
I believe if the ET footage were made available tomorrow, folks would then want the Passaic show, then the Phoenix brothers footage, and so on.
While it is frustrating and sad to watch this all unfold, folks on both sides of the fence have exhibited some strange and obsessive behavior, and it's reached a point where folks begin to associate Randy's name and face with negativity...and more than a few on both sites have echoed that very sentiment.
Duane died eleven years before Randy, and Cliff just four years after. Both very important musicians in their own right who played a large part in helping make their respective bands what they are today, yet combined, the material both unofficial and released by their estates doesn't even come close to what we have on Randy.

~T.

[RRFan4Ever]

Are the books and dvd still available for purchase while this case works its way through the courts? I don't know the terms of settlement the family seek- but regardless I won't be ordering this book- so it doesn't matter. Would I rent it from a library though? Hell yes!

The only bitter taste left in my mouth were the antics demonstrated by the "professionals" during the course of what should have been a documentary filiming. Who knows, had they done this right- we may have had the docu, the 2 books AND a QR dvd.

As much as somethings might irk me about the level of secrecy the family may exhibit at times, I can't help but to feel that Randy would want them to do what they're doing. And I won't fault them for that.

And thanks Whoopiecat for giving this thread your perspective- us Randy fans are a unique bunch, aren't we? We
are over 30 years following his passing yet we continue to regard that man in our lives. What, are we to be rewarded for our loyalty somehow? Is that what the problem here is?

I know, I know- there is stuff out there for public consumption- but I'm content, I know that much.

[whoopiecat]

The Rosen/Klein book seems to still be available thru the Velocity site, and it is also available thru Amazon as well, though, I'm sure that may change, though.
The Sobol book/DVD is still available thru Redmatch.

~T.

[alborg]

But anything can change with the Velocity book now there is a lawsuit happening. I'd say order it now while you can if you're interested.

[magicvoice]

We have been given more new stuff in the last 2 years than the last 30...I have the Velocity book...still debating the QR book & DVD...been doing this for 31 years and say tomorrow "boom" and EVERYTHING is released....then what?...after awhile we'd all collectively move on and bring this special chapter of all of our lives to a close...there's always gonna be some "off the wall" crap associated with Randy that prevents new or rare items being released but thats part of the ride being this guys fan and admirer. But as far as saying about the Rhoads being the ones "squashing" things remember this.....the Rhoads never had to be gracious to fans at all. In every aspect when it came to personal one on one connections...phone calls to the school...visiting the school...getting a tour...the memorials..they didn't have to do any of that and I'm quite sure 90% of families of dead musicians wouldn't...but they have for 30 years...and yet still...its not enough.

we are not entitled to a damn thing.

just my peace.

[oth]

Wow, its disgraceful when the fans puke on the family because they are being denied another piece of randy.Just let it be,dont act like dogs savagely ripping at meat scraps scattered on the floor.Show some dignity or bite your tongue.Wow.

The contract was for a MOVIE not a BOOK.

[rice_pudding]

I don't think I could be any more sad about this whole mess. Reading how disillusioned people are, and knowing the fact that dannyahansen is right, both UR and TK were massive a few years ago. Sometimes getting 100s of posts a day, but theres only so much people will take, being messed around, being told footage is available but they've decided they aren't going to release it. It's like being held hostage.

I think the best thing we can do is appreciate the music we have by Randy Rhoads, but not expect anything. Photos? Sure. Little clips perhaps from old camcorders? Maybe, unlikely. The holy grail (whatever that may be)? No.

I don't know who is to blame. The lawsuit clearly says that the individuals involved have broken their copyright, so if that is true, then they are, simple, thats how copyright works... but to what extent I don't know. There is a lot of unanswered questions. All I know is, once again, we, the fans, have nothing.

Joe,

You're right about UR (though I haven't looked up TK for years), I miss those days. It was a small community, but an active one. I miss some of the members we had back then, but gradually many people have dropped off. There is only so much you can discuss about RR.

There's been a lot said in this thread. The only thing I think 99% of us can say with any certainty, is that there is obviously a horrendously tangled web of BS. Different people, different agendas, copyright, good guys become bad guys and vice versa.

'blindleadingtheblind' made an interesting post. But sadly, it's completely unsubstantiated, and even if it was accurate, the content is so skull fucked I'd rather not try to make sense of it anyway, for want of too many face palms. It is a perfect example of the RR legacy. The biggest problem is that there is no spokesman for RR's estate, no official outlet for news, no voice to put authenticity to anything. There never has been, and there never will be. Occasionally, Kathy, or Kelle, or someone surfaces, as a supposed mighty voice of reason to settle some 'facts'. But honestly popping their head up on occasions that they deem important, doesn't suddenly make them the messiah.

The closest thing we've had (and the only person I would take without a pinch of salt) is Frank, back when he was a regular here. And frankly (no pun intended) it isn't and shouldn't be his responsibility.

In truth we can't expect the family to release material, we have no right whatsoever to anything that is in their possession etc. But I do wonder at how much third party content the family are, or should be, allowed to stop. Not that there seems to be much third party content, unless $$$ is involved.

Rob

[Shockwave]

Ultimate Rhoads and TK need to merge..

[Stiltzkin]

Ultimate Rhoads and TK need to merge..

nah.
if things are "moving slow" here, TK is pretty much dead.