Randy's les paul

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the pots on my guitar were most definitely original as there was still lots of whatever coating & paint they used on the inside of that cut out area to secure everything in there. I took the guitar to both of my previous instructors, one of which taught at the Conservatory of Music in Chicago for awhile and my 2nd guy is a self described "wood geek" and he too was absolutely 100% positive that my former Les Paul was a late 73/late 74, essentially one of the last Mahogany Neck Les Paul's. I don't see how a true 1970 Les Paul would have pots marked 12/73 and it actually be younger in what all three of networked together on. But you do bring up an excellent point that there are plenty of tricksters and shysters out there who could substitute irrefutable stamped pots from that era into an original Les Paul or Les Paul clone.

Gibson also checked the six digit serial number on the back of the head stock (another key clue to identifying original Les Pauls's, call and check with Gibson themselves) and they were pretty certain it was made around late 1973 or early 1974 as well.

Also the place I sold it to in Cincinnati certainly paid me fair market value for the guitar based on all the research I did. Basically I was upset at the guy who I initially bought it from as he thought it was a 1970, as as muscle car enthusiast as well, there is no way I wanted to own a 1973 or 1974 Les Paul, until I read on Randy's Wikipedia page that his Les Paul was a verified 1974, then I nearly broke out in tears.

But like I said, in a way, I don't really miss it as it was a black custom with gold hardware, impossible to keep clean and I have plenty of money from this sale to reinvest in a clear finish Sunburst or other such finish from the 68-73 era. I think one would have to be very, very careful at investing in anybody claiming to have a 1974 Les Paul in respect of the other comments made thus far.

Hopefully all of this information will help anybody looking for a Les Paul of this era to not get ripped off! Great comments and points fellas!

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twm wrote:The proper way to do it is to pull off the back cover where the volume/tone etc. knobs are and look at the pressed codes on the metal of the potentiometers as they will contain the month and year that the potentiometers were used by Gibson to make the Les Paul. The Les Paul that I had had potentiometers dated 12/73, so my Les Paul was either a late '73 or more than likely, an early '74.
I have to disagree here.
Just because your pots were marked 12/73 doesn't mean the whole guitar was made in 1973/74.
It could very well be younger than that seeing as pots are interchangeable ;)
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twm wrote:I had a Marshall 800 series head and a Sun 4x12 cabinet when I was in HS and one day when my folks weren't home I gradually turned up the volume knob to only THREE before the windows in our house began to advisably vibrate. Imagine how loud Randy's were when they turned the volume knobs all the way up to record Diary and Blizzard!
I have been through this exact same experience, playing a Marshall stack in a bedroom when in high school. My mate originally turned it to around eight and it was frightening how loud it was, at those volumes you can actually feel your internal organs moving. I agree a 100w head on a full stack is bearable at around three in a bedroom. The only way to practice with a stack at volume is in a big workshop. I am always dubious when I see vids of guitarists standing directly in front of their stacks playing. There are pictures around somewhere where Randy has heads and cabs to the side of the stage and the head lights are go on them, makes you wonder. Yeah I know, you have to take into account the size of a stage and the other sounds being produced.
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meadsie wrote:
I also agree that the Gibson "Replica" should have been the aged white it was when Randy was using it - not as mentioned before - 30 years on. To me it doesn't look like Randy's Trademark - Randy's was a lovely cream colour, the replica is an awful Yellow/ gold colour.
have you seen one of the VOS ones in person??? .... The one i played wasn't "yellow", it was somewhere in between off white and yellow. The finish is almost matte so it doesn't scream YELLOW. The second I walked into the shop I spotted it right away because it looked like randys les paul. It is one seriously good looking guitar in the flesh (sounded really really really good to)
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twm what I meant was that it's a possibility that Gibson themselves used older parts upon assembly ;)
not taking anything away from your guitar but Gibson is known for their cost-cutting shady business practices 8)
just look at the more recent RR model LP...they didn't even bother to reissue the correct pickups :lol:
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I have seen the VOS and in my opinion it is an awful yellow /gold colour and not cream like Randy's was.
Unfortunately couldn't play it as I am left handed!
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meadsie wrote:I have seen the VOS and in my opinion it is an awful yellow /gold colour and not cream like Randy's was.
Unfortunately couldn't play it as I am left handed!
Have you seen Randy's guitar up close and in person?
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Paul Wolfe wrote:
meadsie wrote:I have seen the VOS and in my opinion it is an awful yellow /gold colour and not cream like Randy's was.
Unfortunately couldn't play it as I am left handed!
Have you seen Randy's guitar up close and in person?
thats kinda what my point is.....none of us have seen randys guitar "in the flesh" (ok some have seen him use it live but under stage lights you can't really see what the colour is). To me the VOS wasn't much different looking than in the tribute booklet where the 3 guitars are on top of a bar on stands with randy in between them. The "yellowing" has darken but its not a brighter yellow

Like i said it looked great, sounded awesome and if it had a more appealing price tag I would have been all over it....weather the pick ups are the same etc I could careless
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sytharnia wrote:weather the pick ups are the same etc I could careless
yeah, we could just slap EMGs in it and call it a day :roll:
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Hi Paul - unfortunately I haven't seen Randy's Les Paul, all I am going on as that, (like you - a fan for 30+ years)

I just wished that they had produced a replica as the guitar was back then and not as it is now.

The last Jackson tribute was perfect - but a stupid price that no-one could afford.

It is each to their own - How many fans are trying to buy Les Pauls from the 1970's that are a cream colour and how many are trying to buy one that is a darker yellow? I would have thought that the majority of fans when they see a cream les paul they immediately think of Randy - a yellow one not so much so?

To be honest the chance of me owning either is never goign to happen as I am a Lefty!!!

So I can but dream........

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Hi Richard, I understand your point of view. To me, we don't know what Randy's guitar looked like exactly. I've seen pictures of him playing with Ozzy where it looked ivory white and I've seen pictures where it looked yellow/creme. I think fans have an idea in their heads and if they see a guitar that matches the idea, then it's perfect, but if the guitar doesn't match their idea, then it's not good.

The concord replica was made based on what it looks like now, as was the Les Paul. I think they both look great but wouldn't buy one. For the record, I think the Ace Frehley Budokan Les Paul looks great and that's the guitar that made me want to play, but I wouldn't buy one for the price they are asking.
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i got to play randy's les paul many times. it was 30+ years ago, mind you, and it was more yellow than creme color back then. also, the tuners could have been changed out before he bought it. does anyone know that HE changed them out?
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Stiltzkin wrote:
sytharnia wrote:weather the pick ups are the same etc I could careless
yeah, we could just slap EMGs in it and call it a day :roll:
well no that would just be wrong........no guitar deserves to have EMG's put in it :mrgreen:
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Frank has spoken - yellow it is 8)
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i have emgs and i dont like them that much i perfer the real deal oringal pickups not the things that zakk has
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randy will never die wrote:i have emgs and i dont like them that much i perfer the real deal oringal pickups not the things that zakk has
why? :lol:
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