I don't buy into it!

[distortionplus]

I may just be bored and stiring the pot, but I don't buy into the whole Bob and Lee being major players in making BOO and DOAM the success they became. I respect them as musicians, but what did they ever do after those two albums? Sorry but those UH albums are no where close to the first two Ozzy solo albums. I will go out on a limb and say to me they just plain blow.

I know Bob says he was major contributor on the lyrics on both albums, but he also wrote for BATM and US. I don't consider either of the former to be classic Ozzy albums though a few songs are good, they will never compare to the first two albums. RR didn't play on the other two so it's plain where I am going. Randy was the major factor, without him Ozzy has just been decent at best no matter who he had playing and writing for him. I have always thought Ozzy has rode on the back of those first two albums with Randy his whole solo career. As a matter of fact he has rode the BS stuff pretty hard too. Without RR and the albums he made classics Ozzy would be nothing more than the former BS vocalist. That is nothing to just blow off because Sabbath was ground breaking stuff.

Jake and Zakk I respect and think are top notch players, but they never got close to the magic RR brought and unfortunately left with upon his passing.

[Stiltzkin]

uhm, let's see...

Before 'Blizzard of Ozz' Bob used to work with Ritche Blackmore in Rainbow.
...and after, there's been collaborations with Gary More, Black Sabbath, Yngwie...

...just to name a few

[Paul Wolfe]

Ozzy is actually the only one who accomplished much after those to albums if you want to stir the pot.

[randy will never die]

if ya dont stirr the pot how do you know if every thing is cooked

[hansolo]

This again? Yawn. Do you have kids? I'm willing to bet you didn't do much except curl your toes and make a funny face. What about the QR albums? All I hear is that they suck, so it couldn't have been Randy. It must of been Ozzy. Ozzy would pick up Randy's guitar and say, "Like this" and showed him the Mr. Crowley solo. Seriously, have you ever heard of group dynamics? Magic? I can name a bunch of bands that had "it" until the line-up changed. I love the live Blizzard of Ozz on the '80 UK tour but they had their strengths and weaknesses. To me the Rudy and Tommy years were good & consistent but missing a certain, I don't know what. Energy? I know, just take off the drums, bass and most of the lyrics (keep the chorus's) and there you go. Also, I have seen some live Uriah Heep where you can hear the Over the mountain intro but Uriah Heep ain't know for that. Ozzy is.

[Geo Sav]

I agree! I think they all had important parts to make those two albums the biggest anyone of them ever played on.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

This again? Yawn. Do you have kids? I'm willing to bet you didn't do much except curl your toes and make a funny face. What about the QR albums? All I hear is that they suck, so it couldn't have been Randy. It must of been Ozzy. Ozzy would pick up Randy's guitar and say, "Like this" and showed him the Mr. Crowley solo. Seriously, have you ever heard of group dynamics? Magic? I can name a bunch of bands that had "it" until the line-up changed. I love the live Blizzard of Ozz on the '80 UK tour but they had their strengths and weaknesses. To me the Rudy and Tommy years were good & consistent but missing a certain, I don't know what. Energy? I know, just take off the drums, bass and most of the lyrics (keep the chorus's) and there you go. Also, I have seen some live Uriah Heep where you can hear the Over the mountain intro but Uriah Heep ain't know for that. Ozzy is.

I was going to say the same about how Randy was struggling to make a name for himself, the time he was in Quiet Riot. He had to have his creative juices brought out of him. Plus Randy was a perfectionist and would play solos and pieces until they had been nailed. Randy wasn't happy with alot of the work used on those 2 early Ozzy albums. But the clock was ticking and they had to be used. I get what your saying about how Bob & Lee never went onto better gigs and bands. But Uriah Heep are a well respected band worldwide. They are not my favourite band, but you cannot knock them. Those Blizzard albums could of been BAD without their input. I remember Ozzy and Randy saying at the time it clicked when Lee was the last drummer to be auditioned. They all jelled together and produced 2 awesome albums.

[distortionplus]

I know Bob has played with some great guitarist, and that should prove my point that even playing with those big names he still never had the critical or commercial success of BOO and DOAM. Randy was in QR which was not playing to Randy's strengths. Still was he not considered the hottest guitarist on the L.A. club scene before he left to join Ozzy. Maybe some of this can all be cleared up if BD ever releases his tapes. When I hear them I may have a change of heart. Until then I will stand by first post as my belief on the matter.

[Paul Wolfe]

How many bass players have critical or commercial success? Bands have critical and commercial success. in 1980 Bob was in the perfect band, prior to '80 and after '81 he was in bands who were missing something.

Bob is a critical part of Ozzy's success with both Randy and Jake.

[fortress]

i dont know but the No more Tears album was a pretty successful album... No rest for the wicked too

[Paul Wolfe]

i dont know but the No more Tears album was a pretty successful album... No rest for the wicked too

And the thread is about how Bob supposedly had nothing to do with the success of Blizzard and Diary, yet he also helped write for Bark at the Moon and The Ultimate Sin which were successful.

This thread has nothing to do with Zakk or his records with Ozzy... it's another "bash Bob" thread.


So my question is, could Page be credited with being the sole creator of the 'magic' behind Led Zeppelin? Nope, he hasn't been able to recapture that without his band mates. Same with Randy, he needed band mates to create the magic with him.

[Stiltzkin]

Good job guys looking forward to his reply

[distortionplus]

First Plant and Page in my opinion wanted to get in bands that were different than Zep, and also I do not for a moment think "In Through the Out Door" was close to the earlier albums. I'm not sure of sales for that record but once a base is built up it has to be a real dog not to sell, same thing for Ozzy after the first two records. Bands and musicians Plateau. I think Page had run his course as far as growth as a musician goes. EVH did the same I think. He in my opinion quit improving about the "Mean Streets" album. Maybe before!

Randy on the other hand was totally consumed with the mind set to constantly improve. I truely believe that's the reason for the post QR I & II improvement with Ozzy. I don't know when the idea of infusing classically inspired guitar popped into his mind, but I do think he was on the path well before Ozzy. He just lacked a band to showcase it in. Once in with Ozzy he had a band to showcase it.

I am not disrespecting Bob or Lee in any way. I think there was definately magic with those two guys in the band. Here's the thing though, many of you guys make it sound like the next record would have been crap without Bob and Lee. At least thats the impression I get from how much there contributions made BOO & DOAM a sucsess.

I Owned the f'ed up remasters of BOO and DOAM without Bob and Lee when they reissued them on CD. You can't say they were total crap without their playing on them. I'm sure those sold well considering they were reissues. I think they hold up with other players, though I have not listened to them back to back. I just don't believe without those guys the next Ozzy and Randy record + whoever they got would have been a flop. I'm not even qualified to comment on lyric writing or overall how important it is. I know lyrics are important. At least a good hook is.

Look at weird AL songs. He compeltely changes the words but the music is the same. I guess it comes down to which came first the words or the music. "Would a Rose by any other name smell as sweet?" We will never know. With Bob+Ozzy+Jake on the next two Ozzy albums it was not. I do know without Randy at least in my opinion it did not completely wither on the vine, but the fragrance was never nearly as sweet.

[Sky]

First Plant and Page in my opinion wanted to get in bands that were different than Zep, and also I do not for a moment think "In Through the Out Door" was close to the earlier albums. I'm not sure of sales for that record but once a base is built up it has to be a real dog not to sell, same thing for Ozzy after the first two records. Bands and musicians Plateau. I think Page had run his course as far as growth as a musician goes. EVH did the same I think. He in my opinion quit improving about the "Mean Streets" album. Maybe before!

Randy on the other hand was totally consumed with the mind set to constantly improve. I truely believe that's the reason for the post QR I & II improvement with Ozzy. I don't know when the idea of infusing classically inspired guitar popped into his mind, but I do think he was on the path well before Ozzy. He just lacked a band to showcase it in. Once in with Ozzy he had a band to showcase it.

I am not disrespecting Bob or Lee in any way. I think there was definately magic with those two guys in the band. Here's the thing though, many of you guys make it sound like the next record would have been crap without Bob and Lee. At least thats the impression I get from how much there contributions made BOO & DOAM a sucsess.

I Owned the f'ed up remasters of BOO and DOAM without Bob and Lee when they reissued them on CD. You can't say they were total crap without their playing on them. I'm sure those sold well considering they were reissues. I think they hold up with other players, though I have not listened to them back to back. I just don't believe without those guys the next Ozzy and Randy record + whoever they got would have been a flop. I'm not even qualified to comment on lyric writing or overall how important it is. I know lyrics are important. At least a good hook is.



Look at weird AL songs. He compeltely changes the words but the music is the same. I guess it comes down to which came first the words or the music. "Would a Rose by any other name smell as sweet?" We will never know. With Bob+Ozzy+Jake on the next two Ozzy albums it was not. I do know without Randy at least in my opinion it did not completely wither on the vine, but the fragrance was never nearly as sweet.

You seem to be be unaware that Bob also co-wrote the music on BOO & DOAM.
As for the fucked-up remasters, I'd certainly say they were crap and as Randy was a perfectionist, I doubt that he would have been too happy about them either.
Sky

[Stiltzkin]

without Bob and/or Lee, Randy wouldn't have his creativity nourished.