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50K wrote:I agree that some things may have been some extra ammo for Doug and Kelly, those things are very small and editable and I'm sure Peter would not have not done anything to help his effort fail. I'm not going to say anything bad about Bob Daisley because I have limited info about that one. I do know that Bob was demanding (MONEY) the minute Peter stepped off the plane. I agree Bob is due his royalties from Ozzy, but out of all the people that contributed to this film the only ones that met Peter with a money agenda was Doug Rhoads, Kelly Garni, The Brothers & Bob Daisley. Everyone else contributed information without demanding money or control influence. Question: Do you think that before Randy Rhoads can have a film or live footage released that everyone involved should benefit and be paid? For one, the budget for the film would be so large that only the Osbournes would be able to afford it and would have to care allot about Randy more than themselves because it would be hard to make a profit once everyone was paid for (Information). Again please don't take my word for it! seek out the truth yourself and make sure you ask someone that is not asking for control or money like the Holy Grailers listed above. :idea:

Shawn, I do agree that there were more things associated with the shelving of the film! The Bob Daisley thing was also very Public and another strike against Peter and more ammo for Doug and Kelly. Information from the three people were needed for the film, but not the entire film. If you don't see a selfish pattern, you are just star struck plain and simple. The Box set was cool! just think what it would have been like if the Brothers, Doug Kelly and Bob Daisley would have just did this for Randy instead of the their own bank account. The fans would have allot to post about! something most of you have been complaining about.

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The way I look at it is...

Peter did himself no favours with the way he treated people, here and other places.

Garni did himself no favours associating with well known lunatics.

Bob has always been fantastic with the fans and is extremely approachable, so I would find it hard to believe, not impossible but hard to believe, that he is telling pork pies when it comes to his experiences with all this.

Doug well mmm I have nothing good or bad to say about the man, his actions are to be judged by his family, as that is the circle he revolves in.

As far as being star struck, I find that argument extremely weak, my observations have been made from the public actions of those involved. I welcome scrutiny of them, the observations that is, in fine detail.

I must admit that it is hard for me to follow your train of thought, and logical analysis, for two reasons. The first is that you are posting with venom not critical analysis. The second is your bias, it seems that you are saying that Peter did no wrong, some of it reads like a PR campaign.

The sad thing about this is the pain I’m sure this has caused all those involved, especially the Rhoads family. We the fans have lost out because of it as well, but we are lucky, it is easy for us to put on a song and disappear into the music. For those who have had their relationships strained or destroyed because of this, have come out suffering from the experience, when in fact it should have brought people together to remember Randy.

I have said many times before; it is safer to enjoy the art, than to get to know the artist.
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i agree peoples actions have messed things up for everyone. If you are an idiot and show your ass regardless of what you do, someone will also be an idiot and call you out (sticking there nose in your business) but when you leave the privacy of your own home or run across the internet highway with your pants down so to speak you are open game. That's just the world we live in.

I do agree with you Shawn sorry if i have come across as an internet highway idiot ...who else is guilty? I know oth is lol.

Oth is right I would like to see Randy's legacy shine the way it should without anyone getting in the way including his family. I know that some ex-girlfriends contacted peter and some of the info they gave was hammered by Mr.Rhoads I think they should tell the whole story instead of some make believe one where Randy does nothing wrong he was on the road for god sakes lol...groupie heaven.

I hope it all gets released when and if it does people will jump off buildings. As for my post I was kinda defending peter nothing more.
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No, his family will decide his legacy not starstruck ocd 'fanatics' like you that get waaaaay too personal about the family etc. and all things randy.
Please be one of those that jumps off a building.Youre starting to sound like romeorose.Been laid yet---besides your boyfriend?
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50K I can understand some part of where you are coming from. I have no doubt that Peter put in a shit load of work, to even partially complete a project such as he undertook would demand so. The stress of dealing with some of the egos involved I’m sure would be enough to push most to the edge.

The big thing for me is, Mrs Rhoads, from my understanding was the client, when you deliver a product the goal is to satisfy the client’s requirements. Not your own, not anyone else’s, but the clients. If the client’s needs are not satisfied the project has failed. I have seen projects fail because of some simple misunderstandings, and it is seldom the fault of the client, but the fault of the project team and there requirement gathering processes. Or the project team injecting what they thought was needed and the client not receiving a workable product because of it. My point is, the Rhoads family has the right, no the duty to cry foul when their project goes off course.

I do not need to hear the dirt from the front line, shit there are so many rocks star stories out there that if you want to live your life vicariously that way there is ample to pick from. I do not need to hear how Randy’s music inspired some other artist; they have their own interviews to praise him in. Besides I am always moved when I put on his music or attempt to play it myself, I know how that feels intimately. I want to hear the stories behind the songs; I want to see Randy playing! I often shake my head when I think of what we the fans are really missing out on.

Still anything Randy related, I would get my hands on, and be grateful.
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shawn wrote:50K I can understand some part of where you are coming from. I have no doubt that Peter put in a shit load of work, to even partially complete a project such as he undertook would demand so. The stress of dealing with some of the egos involved I’m sure would be enough to push most to the edge.

The big thing for me is, Mrs Rhoads, from my understanding was the client, when you deliver a product the goal is to satisfy the client’s requirements. Not your own, not anyone else’s, but the clients. If the client’s needs are not satisfied the project has failed. I have seen projects fail because of some simple misunderstandings, and it is seldom the fault of the client, but the fault of the project team and there requirement gathering processes. Or the project team injecting what they thought was needed and the client not receiving a workable product because of it. My point is, the Rhoads family has the right, no the duty to cry foul when their project goes off course.

I do not need to hear the dirt from the front line, shit there are so many rocks star stories out there that if you want to live your life vicariously that way there is ample to pick from. I do not need to hear how Randy’s music inspired some other artist; they have their own interviews to praise him in. Besides I am always moved when I put on his music or attempt to play it myself, I know how that feels intimately. I want to hear the stories behind the songs; I want to see Randy playing! I often shake my head when I think of what we the fans are really missing out on.

Still anything Randy related, I would get my hands on, and be grateful.
I'm sure Peter Margolis did put in a shit load of work but there was a budget for the documentary and I don't believe for a minute that he didn't get paid for his time. Whether he was qualified to direct a film about Randy's life is another matter. For most of his professional life Margolis has been a stage manager, and they spend most of their time shouting at stagehands to shift the furniture. He's had a good career but his 'director' credits are very few and far between, assistant directors and 2nd unit directors do what they are told and fulfil a very different role. Everything that I've read suggests that Margolis has pissed off a lot of Randy's family and friends, in fact I've never heard anyone who was interviewed for the film say a good word about the man. Maybe it's not so much about the egos of those being filmed as the lack of communication skills and the ambition and ego of the person who's set himself up to direct a project that may well be way beyond his capabilities. Let's face it, you don't find Scorsese under 'Miscellaneous Crew'...
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Oth don't you have some Kelly Garni Dick to suck?
I'm a Randy fan not a family fan lol.

Oth you could right to your senator and complain that people are complaining about that wacky job Doug Rhoads. I could care less what you think fuck off Oth. :)
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I couldn't resist I had to post.. :P 50K or whoever you can calll Fred and I wacked out , it's easy to do in a forum since I guess you are the real one who knows and only sees "the truth" in your eyes. I am not perfect don't do everything perfect and never said I did.

I wear my heart on my sleeve when it comes to Randy. If it wasn't for me, this topic would not exist,.You are obviously scared to tell your real identity and can talk real big I say that makes you have no credibility and a coward. now reply and go bla bla bla.. :P you still wont admit who you really are afterwards anyways.. :P
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I've heard from both sides and they are both convincing to me.

I'm sure Peter worked his ass off for that project. After all there are hours of interviews and I would LOVE to know what Jodi had to say along with the others close to Randy.

Kelle Rhoads is/was upset with many things about the doc. He was writing music for the doc. I don't blame him for being upset if it wasn't going to be used. Kelle is Randy's brother and should have a little tribute music added in. It wouldn't hurt. It was mentioned that Kelle said many things and Peter said many things. It's all he said/she said crap.

I'm not taking sides, only staying neutral. When it comes down to it Randy's legacy suffers the most.
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50K wrote:Oth don't you have some Kelly Garni Dick to suck?
I'm a Randy fan not a family fan lol.

Oth you could right to your senator and complain that people are complaining about that wacky job Doug Rhoads. I could care less what you think fuck off Oth. :)
You obsess about randy yet you hate the family.You project you and your boyfriends passionate/explicit relationship on others.And you probably stalk.You meet the definition of fanatical aka 'fan'.
Get help romeorose or find that tall building please.
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Silver Rhoads wrote:I've heard from both sides and they are both convincing to me.

I'm sure Peter worked his ass off for that project. After all there are hours of interviews and I would LOVE to know what Jodi had to say along with the others close to Randy.

Kelle Rhoads is/was upset with many things about the doc. He was writing music for the doc. I don't blame him for being upset if it wasn't going to be used. Kelle is Randy's brother and should have a little tribute music added in. It wouldn't hurt. It was mentioned that Kelle said many things and Peter said many things. It's all he said/she said crap.

I'm not taking sides, only staying neutral. When it comes down to it Randy's legacy suffers the most.
I'm sorry , I should not have used that kind of language on this forum! Please accept my apologies. I'm not that idiot (Romeo) please allow me a little credit. This is my opinion in a nutshell. I have a problem with anyone trying to hold things back .. video footage ,photos ,music, information and so on. I also think it is very selfish for a family member to cock block Randy's legacy from getting its due via a really good documentary about the iconic Randy Rhoads. The difference between those listed below is just that. This is my only gripe. Sharon,Doug ,Kelly ,Bob and anyone else can go on being selfish and after that dollar..I don't care! just get out of Randy's way please. I would love to see the film explode into the media and regenerate his legacy for new fans to experience his greatness. I believe those people owe Randy that if they care about him at all they will step aside and stfu.

Pro Film !
Pro Footage!
Pro Randy!

I will be Pro family when they do the right thing. It's Randy Rhoads for god sakes not the shroud of Jesus Christ let the man get his due!

Anyone else that thinks otherwise.. you are the weird fanatic eh?

I just hate seeing people done wrong when they are dead and gone.

TAB you have mislead people about the brothers footage! you should just keep quiet middle man.
How much $$$$$ were they going to cut you in?
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sheeshhhhh...

And we wonder why we dont hear from the likes of Peter M, Kelly Garni etc anymore??

James (50K) I to certain extent agree with you - I too am Pro randy in anyway possible, I have been a fan for over 26years and I agree that is is so frustrating that the Rhoads Family ( With whom I hold the highest respect for) seem to be doing nothing but holding back on moving Randy's memories forward. They are so keen on reserving his legacy - do they not realise that by not alowing things to happen there will be no legacy? The die hard fans will lose interest and there will be no new randy fans unless his presence is seen by up and coming guitarists. It will happen..

Personally attacking the individuals is going to gain nothing - in fact it will have the exact reverse (Which we have all seen during the past few years).

The fact of the matter is this-

There is footage available now that we would never ever have thought we would have seen - this is thanks to the O$bournes (Whom I dislike by the way - but am very grateful for them to releasing the footage)
We have a new Live Album of Randy.
New Photos are appearing virtually everyday.

Let's just be grateful of what we have.

James there are also member on this forum who without their generosity we would not know as much, seen as many photos etc...
These include Frank, Jay and TAB (Tom). Before you run TAB down read his posts - you need to respect this guy. No, I do not know him, I have never met him, I live 5000 miles from him so before you start attacking me on defending him i dont know him!

Of course we would all like to see as much footage as we can - The brothers footage to me is the holy grail. It is a real shame that we wont see it - that is their choice and nothing we can do is going to change that. I would pay whatever for it just to see it, but that aint going to happen is it so please just accept it. I am glad it is there though and can only dream that one day it appears - just like you.

enjoy what we have, be it the Palladium Footage, Pictures, memories and recordings. We are the only ones that are keeping him memory alive - not the family - us fans. We need to stick together and not go attacking each other.

Randy would turn in his grave if he could see all this bickering and bitching.

respect.

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I agree..

I'm not trying to attack anyone! just spoke some truth and got attacked ..hey that's OK.. so be it.
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Haha, well put TAB.

He is right though (TAB), as you (50k) DID pretty much attack people the second you started posting.
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