Phoenix Bros Footage

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

Margolis and (especially) Andrew Klein are hacks.

[alborg]

All I know is that we're not getting the documentary that we were waiting so long for & could of been a fantastic document filled with interviews, facts & pictures we've never seen before... I feel sad & embarrassed as a Randy fan...

[The Flying Dutchman]

If anything, 50K is really nothing for the O$bournes to pay, there must be more going on..., with the good will of some people this 'holy grail' footage should have been released easily. It shouldn't be sitting on a shelf for another few decades, that's so wrong, it's too much of historical value. Just my 50k

[shawn]

“I believe everything I read on the internet, it enables me to abandon all logical thought processes”

Someone else who has spoke to the family!...let me guess you called the school and spoke with that wack job Doug Rhoads lol. If you would like the real answers and truth contact Peter Margolis the one who traveled the world in search of Randy's history (the behind the scene history unknown to most of you and me) Mrs.Rhoads or Kathy the ones who handle his business. You may already have heard this, but it is the truth! even Doug will tell you this and I find that the most overwhelming evidence of all. The reason the Documentary went array was because during the viewing Doug found out all his music was not going to be used for the soundtrack to (RANDY's) film, it was rejected by the Director's and Dakota and most likely even Mrs.Rhoads. Doug pitched a fit in front of his mother and sister over this and demanded his mother fire Peter and hire Kelly Garni. After that a war between Doug, KG and Peter started as you all know (Publicly) that's right! you were part of it. They (Doug & Kelle) found out that they were not going to have any control over the film (what so ever) so they began to campaign against Peter with Mrs.Rhoads, this was really to much for her to handle in bad health. It was not because of them totally that the Documentary got shelved,it was the embarrassment that Mrs.Rhoads endured with all of the fans right in the middle of it and information posted all over the Internet as well. The fans should know more than anyone that Mrs.Rhoads wants Randy's name kept (Clean). Peter's mistake was involving the fans in the beginning. Mrs.Rhoads pulled the plug and severed the lifeline and all went quiet. I know you people hear allot of things and experience bad people all of the time on this board, but the fact of the matter is.. most of your trusted heroes in the middle of this mess are not being honest with you they used you as complaining fans. I really feel sorry for Peter..he was hoping this would be a big success and something he could be proud on his resume, he truly is a randy fan himself. Two people fucked it up for everyone. Peter went to the end of the planet to try and get the true story's from band members ,roadies even unknown girlfriends! most of this from the tour aspect of Randy's life.. not some fabricated story from two people who were not even there and jealous of Randy's status. Things like this are very common with friends ,family members and hangers on of well know people I would say it was very hard to be the Brother of Randy Rhoads and not succeed as a musician. Jealousy is a terrible thing. The Osbourne's agreed to be apart of the film it was loaded with everything Ozzy & Quiet Riot and one Doug song and that song was going to be pulled on the final cut. That is what happen! Peter will hardly speak of this because he is devastated and embarrassed as well. The internet can be a good thing, but all of the drama that has played out from (EVERYONE) along with two wannabe rock stars is the truth. I'm sorry I ranted and called out people and tarnished your Doug Rhoads (the family member) but the truth is the truth surely you people are smarter than that or does Doug have a way of blowing your head up on the phone? "Oh my god I'm speaking to Randy's brother" Please...if he had not done the selfish things he has done, speaking to Randy's brother would be an honor.

Don't believe me just go with the information I have given and contact someone besides Doug Rhoads for the truth.

Thanks Paul & Tito for the comments. I guess I owe you a first name.

regards,
James

PS
If you should see Peter, tell him he did a great job trying to document Randy's history. I'm sure he would appreciate that!

Many people around here can remember the bullshit surrounding the documentary when it went down this is true. I’m sure they remember Peter threatening to sue every last one of us that downloaded the documentary trailer. I was waiting for him to start tracking all those IP’s , mailing subpoenas to ISPs for their daily log files.

I’m also sure that almost anyone that has seen that trailer will remember the story regarding sex on the bathroom floor. As you your self have written, Mrs Rhoads wishes to keep Randy’s legacy clean. I’m sure hearing that story had no effect on how she felt the documentary was going. But you would have us believe that it was all Doug’s fault.

Those that wish can read Bob Daisley’s encounter with Peter, he does not have nice memories from the time spent with him.

So your suggestion to contact peter for the truth would only glean that person’s version, one of which shouldn’t be trusted by his past actions.

I believe that there are many reasons the documentary has not been released yet, but I would not trust a word of someone that seems to have come to this board with an agenda of slinging shit and hoping it will stick.

Actually your writing style is very similar to another person’s that used to post here, the sentence structure and word choice are quite close indeed.

[50K]

I agree that some things may have been some extra ammo for Doug and Kelly, those things are very small and editable and I'm sure Peter would not have not done anything to help his effort fail. I'm not going to say anything bad about Bob Daisley because I have limited info about that one. I do know that Bob was demanding (MONEY) the minute Peter stepped off the plane. I agree Bob is due his royalties from Ozzy, but out of all the people that contributed to this film the only ones that met Peter with a money agenda was Doug Rhoads, Kelly Garni, The Brothers & Bob Daisley. Everyone else contributed information without demanding money or control influence. Question: Do you think that before Randy Rhoads can have a film or live footage released that everyone involved should benefit and be paid? For one, the budget for the film would be so large that only the Osbournes would be able to afford it and would have to care allot about Randy more than themselves because it would be hard to make a profit once everyone was paid for (Information). Again please don't take my word for it! seek out the truth yourself and make sure you ask someone that is not asking for control or money like the Holy Grailers listed above.

Shawn, I do agree that there were more things associated with the shelving of the film! The Bob Daisley thing was also very Public and another strike against Peter and more ammo for Doug and Kelly. Information from the three people were needed for the film, but not the entire film. If you don't see a selfish pattern, you are just star struck plain and simple. The Box set was cool! just think what it would have been like if the Brothers, Doug Kelly and Bob Daisley would have just did this for Randy instead of the their own bank account. The fans would have allot to post about! something most of you have been complaining about.

regards,
50K

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Romeorose i presume

[cableguyxx]

I agree that some things may have been some extra ammo for Doug and Kelly, those things are very small and editable and I'm sure Peter would not have not done anything to help his effort fail. I'm not going to say anything bad about Bob Daisley because I have limited info about that one. I do know that Bob was demanding (MONEY) the minute Peter stepped off the plane. I agree Bob is due his royalties from Ozzy, but out of all the people that contributed to this film the only ones that met Peter with a money agenda was Doug Rhoads, Kelly Garni, The Brothers & Bob Daisley. Everyone else contributed information without demanding money or control influence. Question: Do you think that before Randy Rhoads can have a film or live footage released that everyone involved should benefit and be paid? For one, the budget for the film would be so large that only the Osbournes would be able to afford it and would have to care allot about Randy more than themselves because it would be hard to make a profit once everyone was paid for (Information). Again please don't take my word for it! seek out the truth yourself and make sure you ask someone that is not asking for control or money like the Holy Grailers listed above.

Shawn, I do agree that there were more things associated with the shelving of the film! The Bob Daisley thing was also very Public and another strike against Peter and more ammo for Doug and Kelly. Information from the three people were needed for the film, but not the entire film. If you don't see a selfish pattern, you are just star struck plain and simple. The Box set was cool! just think what it would have been like if the Brothers, Doug Kelly and Bob Daisley would have just did this for Randy instead of the their own bank account. The fans would have allot to post about! something most of you have been complaining about.

regards,
50K

Nice to meet you James. I don't know much about the Phoenix Bros or what went down. I have met TAB and from my own experience, would say whatever his involvement, he had his heart in the right place. As for Peter, Bob D, Doug, Kelly G and the rest of the situation, I thank you for your posts. You are spot on from both my own observations and perrsonal dealings with, and from others first hand experiences of whom I trust 100%. Two different close friends have relayed separate accounts of 2 of the above mentioned people that just blew me away and not in a good way. All I will say is, while your posts are probably upsetting to some, I can confirm a lot of what you are saying.

I personally believe that the film will indeed be released at some point. At least I hope so for Pete's sake (haha..couldn't resist ). I think there is a misconception that Dakota was throwing money at him for this project. Given the details I've been able to gather on my own, I would assume quite the opposite. It seemed to me that he did this as a side project and on a pretty tight budget, if not giving his own time and money to see it through. I think that the assumption was, because he is involved in Hollywood and a studio was involved, that there was a big film budget, which never was the case. I don't think some of the others mentioned above ever got that.

[cableguyxx]

If anything, 50K is really nothing for the O$bournes to pay, there must be more going on..., with the good will of some people this 'holy grail' footage should have been released easily. It shouldn't be sitting on a shelf for another few decades, that's so wrong, it's too much of historical value. Just my 50k

This is a valid point too

[No1UNo]

The saddest, saddest part of the documentary, the box set, and I'm sure other failed efforts to release unseen or unknown RR audio or video is the selfishness of those who have control over a piece of history and are unwilling to release it until they are compensated financially or in some other way. They care more about themselves than supporting or furthering the legacy of the music and performances that Randy left behind. I will not buy the box set because of this and what it should've been (e.g. both original CD's w/ accompanying long fade-out / alternate mix / bonus track / studio chatter versions, Southampton and/or Montreal & a live complete Diary Tour show, and various video from both tours).


Ironically, what will happen if known or unknown (to us) artifacts in existence don't ever get released is that Randy's legacy and place in music history will suffer; the boards here and over at .tk will grow silent with nothing to discuss or disect. Ultimately, RR will become an obscure footnote in rock history and those hanging onto historic audio or video including him will find it has become devalued with only a small, niche market for it (i.e. us here at UR and on other boards) - instead of releasing it, publicizing it, and growing his legacy and value in rock history, where more people become interested in him and aware of him and his accomplishments (i.e. growing their "paying customer" base so they can be adequately compensated!). Ironic and sad. Very sad.

[Shockwave]

I am not going to scratch the documentary from being released until the 30th anniversary of his passing has passed and we move on from there. If it is going to be released then that is the time to do it.

Ozzy put out his 30th and did not include the ET footage, The only reason he would not have put that on there is because it is coming out with the documentary. It's not a question of if it will ever come out, its a matter of when. I also have a feeling there may be more to the NM show we got with 30yrs after documentary. That footage cuts out way to quickly after Mr.Crowley ends...

That leads me to this....All it takes is a simple statement from the family to end all speculation. They don't need to give explanations of who screwed who over, who did this, who said that...Ultimate Rhoads and TK ARE the Randy Rhoads community, to have this dangling out there for almost 5yrs now is just a joke and an insult to all the fans IMO. With that said though, again i do believe it will come out next year...

[50K]

I agree that some things may have been some extra ammo for Doug and Kelly, those things are very small and editable and I'm sure Peter would not have not done anything to help his effort fail. I'm not going to say anything bad about Bob Daisley because I have limited info about that one. I do know that Bob was demanding (MONEY) the minute Peter stepped off the plane. I agree Bob is due his royalties from Ozzy, but out of all the people that contributed to this film the only ones that met Peter with a money agenda was Doug Rhoads, Kelly Garni, The Brothers & Bob Daisley. Everyone else contributed information without demanding money or control influence. Question: Do you think that before Randy Rhoads can have a film or live footage released that everyone involved should benefit and be paid? For one, the budget for the film would be so large that only the Osbournes would be able to afford it and would have to care allot about Randy more than themselves because it would be hard to make a profit once everyone was paid for (Information). Again please don't take my word for it! seek out the truth yourself and make sure you ask someone that is not asking for control or money like the Holy Grailers listed above.

Shawn, I do agree that there were more things associated with the shelving of the film! The Bob Daisley thing was also very Public and another strike against Peter and more ammo for Doug and Kelly. Information from the three people were needed for the film, but not the entire film. If you don't see a selfish pattern, you are just star struck plain and simple. The Box set was cool! just think what it would have been like if the Brothers, Doug Kelly and Bob Daisley would have just did this for Randy instead of the their own bank account. The fans would have allot to post about! something most of you have been complaining about.

regards,
50K

Nice to meet you James. I don't know much about the Phoenix Bros or what went down. I have met TAB and from my own experience, would say whatever his involvement, he had his heart in the right place. As for Peter, Bob D, Doug, Kelly G and the rest of the situation, I thank you for your posts. You are spot on from both my own observations and perrsonal dealings with, and from others first hand experiences of whom I trust 100%. Two different close friends have relayed separate accounts of 2 of the above mentioned people that just blew me away and not in a good way. All I will say is, while your posts are probably upsetting to some, I can confirm a lot of what you are saying.

I personally believe that the film will indeed be released at some point. At least I hope so for Pete's sake (haha..couldn't resist ). I think there is a misconception that Dakota was throwing money at him for this project. Given the details I've been able to gather on my own, I would assume quite the opposite. It seemed to me that he did this as a side project and on a pretty tight budget, if not giving his own time and money to see it through. I think that the assumption was, because he is involved in Hollywood and a studio was involved, that there was a big film budget, which never was the case. I don't think some of the others mentioned above ever got that.

....
Thanks for speaking up and nice to meet you!! at least someone else knows that don't care to verify.

regards,
James

[oth]

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.

By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

.....
Someone else who has spoke to the family!...let me guess you called the school and spoke with that wack job Doug Rhoads lol. If you would like the real answers and truth contact Peter Margolis the one who traveled the world in search of Randy's history (the behind the scene history unknown to most of you and me) Mrs.Rhoads or Kathy the ones who handle his business. You may already have heard this, but it is the truth! even Doug will tell you this and I find that the most overwhelming evidence of all. The reason the Documentary went array was because during the viewing Doug found out all his music was not going to be used for the soundtrack to (RANDY's) film, it was rejected by the Director's and Dakota and most likely even Mrs.Rhoads. Doug pitched a fit in front of his mother and sister over this and demanded his mother fire Peter and hire Kelly Garni. After that a war between Doug, KG and Peter started as you all know (Publicly) that's right! you were part of it. They (Doug & Kelle) found out that they were not going to have any control over the film (what so ever) so they began to campaign against Peter with Mrs.Rhoads, this was really to much for her to handle in bad health. It was not because of them totally that the Documentary got shelved,it was the embarrassment that Mrs.Rhoads endured with all of the fans right in the middle of it and information posted all over the Internet as well. The fans should know more than anyone that Mrs.Rhoads wants Randy's name kept (Clean). Peter's mistake was involving the fans in the beginning. Mrs.Rhoads pulled the plug and severed the lifeline and all went quiet. I know you people hear allot of things and experience bad people all of the time on this board, but the fact of the matter is.. most of your trusted heroes in the middle of this mess are not being honest with you they used you as complaining fans. I really feel sorry for Peter..he was hoping this would be a big success and something he could be proud on his resume, he truly is a randy fan himself. Two people fucked it up for everyone. Peter went to the end of the planet to try and get the true story's from band members ,roadies even unknown girlfriends! most of this from the tour aspect of Randy's life.. not some fabricated story from two people who were not even there and jealous of Randy's status. Things like this are very common with friends ,family members and hangers on of well know people I would say it was very hard to be the Brother of Randy Rhoads and not succeed as a musician. Jealousy is a terrible thing. The Osbourne's agreed to be apart of the film it was loaded with everything Ozzy & Quiet Riot and one Doug song and that song was going to be pulled on the final cut. That is what happen! Peter will hardly speak of this because he is devastated and embarrassed as well. The internet can be a good thing, but all of the drama that has played out from (EVERYONE) along with two wannabe rock stars is the truth. I'm sorry I ranted and called out people and tarnished your Doug Rhoads (the family member) but the truth is the truth surely you people are smarter than that or does Doug have a way of blowing your head up on the phone? "Oh my god I'm speaking to Randy's brother" Please...if he had not done the selfish things he has done, speaking to Randy's brother would be an honor.

Don't believe me just go with the information I have given and contact someone besides Doug Rhoads for the truth.

Thanks Paul & Tito for the comments. I guess I owe you a first name.

regards,
James

PS
If you should see Peter, tell him he did a great job trying to document Randy's history. I'm sure he would appreciate that!

Dude,you know its one thing to trash other posters but to trash the family and so venomously is repulsive.Calling Doug a 'wack job'????.Dude youre a douchebag of extreme magnitude.What they agree to or not and for whatever reason is not your business.Whether that means they dislike something about the film that seems meaningless or ridiculous to you is not your business.Its personal.If that means it deprives your entitled,spoiled,whiney ass of a film, thats too bad for you.Where do you get off on ragging on whether Doug has lived in his brothers shadow etc.,is a wannabe rockstar,jealous etc?It is uncalled for,speculative and cruel.Whether any of the other stuff you say is true IT DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO TRASH THE FAMILY.
You have the maturity of a 14yr old.Get some help.You're a sick,classless joke of a person.Talk about wack jobs.

[50K]

You should practice what you preach! I guess you are entitled to an opinion. It's sad fans like you are so star struck you can't see through the smoke screen. I think I remember seeing a YouTube video where Doug said the fans should have any opinion they please...the only thing is mine is not opinion its fact and as it is quite noticeable through you that the truth has ruffled some feathers.

regards,
James

[oth]

Sad?Star-struck ?Youre the one whining about not getting a frikkin movie about some idol of yours and then slamming the dude's own brother-classless.The family owes you nothing.
Decorum,protocol are foreign concepts to you.I hope the movie comes out just to satiate your wants-not.
Personally i dont care if a movie doesnt come out and if i did i certainly would have the decency not to trash family members.You act like a child.How old are you btw?

BTW,i dont know anybody in the family or their friends.The only reason im speaking out because your lack of decency and self-edit is off the charts.

[shred1]

It seems everything related to the legacy of Randy Rhoads is a clusterf***.
I sure hope someone grabs the wheel, before he is forgotten.
Time is relentless.