Bob Daisley's grail stuff.

[electricmombie]

I was checking out the thread about Randy collectables, and I noted something that made me think about all of this again last night...

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The shots of the "Mr. Crowley" single, backed with "You Said It All": issued by Jet Records but *credited* to Blizzard Of Ozz, rather than Ozzy Osbourne...

Apparently, Sharon didn't really begin to exert control over Ozzy's career until the summer of 1980, I believe. If Don Arden was the one in charge of overseeing Ozzy's management up until then, after 'Blizzard Of Ozz' was already written and recorded, and the single pictured was credited to Blizzard Of Ozz the band...

I do get why Bob Daisley and Lee would be miffed about the band becoming legally an Ozzy Osbourne solo vehicle. Once it gets so far as having record company promo pictures credited to 'Blizzard Of Ozz' as well as the first single or two from 'Blizzard'...

A lot of old resentments that I suppose are easy enough to pin onto Sharon because she saw to it that 'Blizzard Of Ozz' was an album-only name, but a solo vehicle for Ozzy.. The management stucture was a bit of a mess when it was more Don managing Ozzy. We can say and have opinions all day about Sharon, but this you have to give her: she is loyal and looks out for Ozzy.

It IS fishy that -between Don Arden and Sharon's managerial influence- that what Don seemed to be behind (being called a band named Blizzard Of Ozz) and how it actually wound up, as a solo project for Ozzy, once Sharon was able to get more control of Ozzy's day-to-day business.

From what I can read up on, Ozzy never really wanted to be part of a band situation again, at the time. I also get Bob's and Lee's position, in that after being told by management, etc. that you will all be billed as a band, pressing up promotional items through the label touting the project as a band called Blizzard Of Ozz..

Don Arden was a shark. Sharon stepped in and did what she could to give Ozzy what he wanted, and that was to be promoted as a solo artist.

Especially after you put your heart and soul into making the music that becomes 'Blizzard' and 'Diary'.. It's gotta be a tough pill to swallow, being promised a band situation, and then, all of the sudden, it's Ozzy solo rather than a band scenario.

This I think is where the root of the Bob and Lee druthers is. I can see that; I can even understand it to an extent. It's just sad considering how many times Bob and Ozzy worked together over the years, and now it's all legalities and bitter, hurt feelings.

Well, at least the original albums are restored and are sounding better than ever.

[Paul Wolfe]

Ozzy now says he wanted to be a solo artist, but we'll never know what he actually said then. I clearly remember reading interviews back in the day where Ozzy spoke of Blizzard of Ozz as a band... I truly think Sharon pushed for the solo thing so she could control things more.

[rokket]

As a "solo" artist, you get the lions share of money generated from, album/single sales, touring and merchandise, and total control over it all, rather than an even split and decisions being made as a "band". If Sharon was motivated by anything it was that.

[shred1]

I think it is important to note that Sabbath, in their prime, with Ozzy, got fleeced by their then manager, rather severely.
This may explain the actions of Ozzy and $haron a little too.

[axeman_12656]

I think it is important to note that Sabbath, in their prime, with Ozzy, got fleeced by their then manager, rather severely.
This may explain the actions of Ozzy and $haron a little too.

Never thought about that. I agree

[Paul Wolfe]

I think it is important to note that Sabbath, in their prime, with Ozzy, got fleeced by their then manager, rather severely.
This may explain the actions of Ozzy and $haron a little too.

I agree. However, I think Ozzy just wanted to get back into the business at the time and wasn't concerned with 'band' or 'solo'... he just needed a way to afford the coke and booze and get out of the Le Parc hotel! The 'solo' thing was all Sharon wanting to control him.

Sharon reminds me of Hilary Clinton... "No, it's okay that he cheated on me... I won't divorce him, because I need his connections so I can get ahead in politics."

Whatever it takes to get ahead and force your agenda on the world.

[electricmombie]

I think it is important to note that Sabbath, in their prime, with Ozzy, got fleeced by their then manager, rather severely.
This may explain the actions of Ozzy and $haron a little too.

Never thought about that. I agree

I believe there's a lot of truth in what you're saying about that, axeman.

Especially at that time, as you were saying, Ozzy and Sabbath were fleeced royally from their former management. Then, after Ozzy got going solo, it was more a matter of making enough money to continue on, through to buying out Don Arden's contract with Jet Records so they wouldn't have to deal with Don Arden anymore.

Even during the 'Bark At The Moon' days: having Bob Daisley and Jake E. Lee taking a one-time payout for songwriting (without being credited on the album) was another way for The Osbournes to finally get into the financial black..

Sharon was bound to become something of thorn in Bob's and Lee's sides at some point. Stepping into the picture after 'Blizzard' was written and recorded, and being a woman manager in a field at the time populated by male managers AND being Ozzy's girlfriend: it was bound to be a conflict of interests as far as some people in the Blizzard band were concerned.

Can you imagine having a bastard like Don Arden as a father? He (from what I read) put his family through the ringer to serve his own ends first. True, it wasn't at all cool that the original 'Blizzard' and 'Diary' were tampered with back in 2002, but at least The Osbournes finally had the sense to do right and restore them to their original recordings.

It was insane to re-record the bass and drums on those albums, but who knows what the actual dynamic has been between The Osbournes, Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake?

With Randy being gone, it makes the dynamic even murkier, because Randy would be the go-to guy for finding out the truth as it was at the time.

I hope Ozz is recording with Black Sabbath as we all discuss this here.

Cheers.

[sytharnia]

Even during the 'Bark At The Moon' days: having Bob Daisley and Jake E. Lee taking a one-time payout for songwriting (without being credited on the album)

strange every copy of bark at the moon I have ever owned credits jake and bob and jake always has had writing credits on the ultimate sin as well. I know when jake got fired he took a lump sum payment instead of keeping his royalty rights

[rokket]

Even during the 'Bark At The Moon' days: having Bob Daisley and Jake E. Lee taking a one-time payout for songwriting (without being credited on the album)

strange every copy of bark at the moon I have ever owned credits jake and bob and jake always has had writing credits on the ultimate sin as well. I know when jake got fired he took a lump sum payment instead of keeping his royalty rights

Taking a lump sum or a royalty option really only comes down to one thing.....is the money needed now or can you afford it to trickle in over years.

[sytharnia]

Taking a lump sum or a royalty option really only comes down to one thing.....is the money needed now or can you afford it to trickle in over years.

with jake it was more the shock of being fired and the not wanting to be around the business anymore......he took a couple of years off before doing badlands

[JC1305us]

FASCINATING discussions here. I followed the case, however loosely for a while and was disappointed that Bob & Lee lost, seeing as it was their contributions that helped make those first two albums classics. Notice I said "helped". I too am fascinated by the music creative process. To be a fly on the wall at Ridge Farm in 1980! Oh well...So many good points made here by thoughtful, insightful posters.
I'm inclined to think of the situation as follows more or less: There was in all likelyhood a real collaberative effort between three people: Randy, Ozzy and Bob. Lee may have thrown some input in, as far as lyrics or whatnot, but I'm inclined to believe that he didn't have a whole lot to say musically. I could be wrong, but thats my .02 There was obviously magic there. You don't put those albums out without having a massive amount of chemistry. That is why so called 'Supergroups' mostly don't pan out. Too many egos, etc.
As far as the contractual stuff, I would take being called by Ozzy as such:
'I'm looking to put a band together. We're going to audition guitar players and a drummer, and then write the songs for the album'.
"What's the bands name?"
'Blizzard of Ozz'.
Ok, sounds good so far.
We select a guitar player and drummer and WE (band) sit down, write some songs, rehearse, and perfect the songs that we have collaborated on. Sounds simple so far! The problems start like every other problem starts: Money! I'm inclined to believe that Sharon Osbourne is every bit as two fisted and ruthless as her old man. Maybe more so. So, what do you do, when you are now controlling your soon to be husband's career, finances, etc? Well, you cut bait with two squeaky wheels and go it with two guys who will show up, shut up and keep up! Think about it, the albums are already in the can, so now you can tour ($$$$) and make the real money. Maybe Bob and Lee signed bad deals, who knows, but there is no disputing the genius that was recorded.
My question becomes, what is a performance royalty? Is that being paid for everytime the song is played on the radio or live or both? Is selling a record or CD or itunes song different? Are they being paid for those occasions? Every copy of those albums I have has clearly listed the credits for the songs listed right on the CD. Not sure what exactly is the beef here, but I feel they should be compensated for co writing those songs. It's like going out to dinner with three other guys and dividing the check up by counting how many carrots one guy ate on his plate as opposed to another guy. You all came, you all ate. Unless there was a guy having filet and lobster tail, and another guy had a glass of water, split it.
On a side note, I remember getting a Ozzy greatest hits CD signed by him when I was in college, and reading the liner notes of all the songwriting credits, and saying to myself "Why are all these guys names spelled wrong?" i.e. Instead of Phil Soussan as a songwritwer for "Shot in the Dark" it had "Bill Susan" listed! Thought it was a typo then, but now I guess there was some ulterior motive at hand...

[mojopin70]

FASCINATING discussions here. I followed the case, however loosely for a while and was disappointed that Bob & Lee lost, seeing as it was their contributions that helped make those first two albums classics. Notice I said "helped". I too am fascinated by the music creative process. To be a fly on the wall at Ridge Farm in 1980! Oh well...So many good points made here by thoughtful, insightful posters.
I'm inclined to think of the situation as follows more or less: There was in all likelyhood a real collaberative effort between three people: Randy, Ozzy and Bob. Lee may have thrown some input in, as far as lyrics or whatnot, but I'm inclined to believe that he didn't have a whole lot to say musically. I could be wrong, but thats my .02 There was obviously magic there. You don't put those albums out without having a massive amount of chemistry. That is why so called 'Supergroups' mostly don't pan out. Too many egos, etc.
As far as the contractual stuff, I would take being called by Ozzy as such:
'I'm looking to put a band together. We're going to audition guitar players and a drummer, and then write the songs for the album'.
"What's the bands name?"
'Blizzard of Ozz'.
Ok, sounds good so far.
We select a guitar player and drummer and WE (band) sit down, write some songs, rehearse, and perfect the songs that we have collaborated on. Sounds simple so far! The problems start like every other problem starts: Money! I'm inclined to believe that Sharon Osbourne is every bit as two fisted and ruthless as her old man. Maybe more so. So, what do you do, when you are now controlling your soon to be husband's career, finances, etc? Well, you cut bait with two squeaky wheels and go it with two guys who will show up, shut up and keep up! Think about it, the albums are already in the can, so now you can tour ($$$$) and make the real money. Maybe Bob and Lee signed bad deals, who knows, but there is no disputing the genius that was recorded.
My question becomes, what is a performance royalty? Is that being paid for everytime the song is played on the radio or live or both? Is selling a record or CD or itunes song different? Are they being paid for those occasions? Every copy of those albums I have has clearly listed the credits for the songs listed right on the CD. Not sure what exactly is the beef here, but I feel they should be compensated for co writing those songs. It's like going out to dinner with three other guys and dividing the check up by counting how many carrots one guy ate on his plate as opposed to another guy. You all came, you all ate. Unless there was a guy having filet and lobster tail, and another guy had a glass of water, split it.
On a side note, I remember getting a Ozzy greatest hits CD signed by him when I was in college, and reading the liner notes of all the songwriting credits, and saying to myself "Why are all these guys names spelled wrong?" i.e. Instead of Phil Soussan as a songwritwer for "Shot in the Dark" it had "Bill Susan" listed! Thought it was a typo then, but now I guess there was some ulterior motive at hand...

Thats right that would be SHaron Osbournes little Jew hand , shes well known for doing sick and disgusting things too ( crapping in things and chucking them or pissing in glasses and throwing them at people who she doesnt like )

[Paul Wolfe]

Thats right that would be SHaron Osbournes little Jew hand...

And again with Randy's fans making stupid, offensive comments.

[hansolo]

I agree with Ace, that was racially offensive. You can't play that off as irony. Greedy, sneaky, money grubbing, underhanded, yes. All horrible traits but traits ANYONE can have. When you use a religion or race to stereotype you are condemning everyone in that group. We would of also accepted thieving cunt...

[mojopin70]

Thats right that would be SHaron Osbournes little Jew hand...

And again with Randy's fans making stupid, offensive comments.

I dont think its stupid or offensive, only people who are easily offended and that seems like almost everyone today.

I dont think you realise how mentally disturbed SHaron osbourne is.

aw well never mind she doesnt care who she offends and it seems you are defending her