new Lee interview with Bravewords.com

[rokket]

But this is not about money. Bob does get royalties for writing the songs. This is about Ozzy having a 30 year long solo career, "largely thanks to him."

It irks him. Badly.

Which brings me back to my original point,

It's kind of sad that Bob and Lee's only claim to fame seems to be through others.

So your saying that, like Bob, it's sad that Ozzy, Randy, Ronnie Dio, David Coverdale.....and so many others, only have a claim to fame through others?? That's a pretty normal scenario, if Ozzy hadn't had a claim to fame via Sabbath...who would have signed him? If Randy hadn't been there to ride the coat tails of Ozzy's claim to fame, would we today consider him a guitar god?, If Ronnie Dio hadn't had a claim to fame via Rainbow, why would someone sign him, and David Coverdale's solo career....his claim to fame is through others....Rainbow etc.....

[Alex]

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[rokket]

So your saying that, like Bob, it's sad that Ozzy, Randy, Ronnie Dio, David Coverdale.....and so many others, only have a claim to fame through others?? That's a pretty normal scenario, if Ozzy hadn't had a claim to fame via Sabbath...who would have signed him? If Randy hadn't been there to ride the coat tails of Ozzy's claim to fame, would we today consider him a guitar god?, If Ronnie Dio hadn't had a claim to fame via Rainbow, why would someone sign him, and David Coverdale's solo career....his claim to fame is through others....Rainbow etc.....

That's not what I am saying at all. Everyone that you just listed have had individual success in the music business. Bob hasn't. That is sad. And it annoys Bob to no end that the general public does not acknowledge his part in Ozzy's solo career.

......how many bassists (that don't sing lead vocals) have solo success to the degree of lead vocalists...??? It's far more common for lead vocalists for obvious reasons.......your kind of stating the obvious in the music world.

..In reality Ozzy's solo artist claim to fame is via Bob and Randy.....now that IS pretty sad.

[Alex]

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[rokket]

......how many bassists (that don't sing lead vocals) have solo success to the degree of lead vocalists...??? It's far more common for lead vocalists for obvious reasons.......your kind of stating the obvious in the music world.

..In reality Ozzy's solo artist claim to fame is via Bob and Randy.....now that IS pretty sad.

Individual success comes in different forms. It does not have to be in the form of a solo career. Flea is someone who just popped up in my head.

..In reality Ozzy's solo artist claim to fame is via Bob and Randy.....now that IS pretty sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRsilpow54c

It's the truth....Ozzy's solo career was built on those first two albums, that he lyrically and musically, had practically nothing worth mentioning to do with.......sad, but true.

[Alex]

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[rokket]

It's the truth....Ozzy's solo career was built on those first two albums, that he lyrically and musically, had practically nothing worth mentioning to do with.......sad, but true.

Wait, what? Are you saying that Ozzy didn't sing on those two albums? That Ozzy didn't come up with the vocal melodies? That it's not Ozzy's image that actually made the big masses pay attention? (If not, why did the record company ultimately decide to promote the band as a solo artist?)

Besides, those two albums are not why Ozzy is still relevant today.

If I build the frame and supply the canvas for the mona lisa, and then put my name on it, have I created a master piece and shown the world what an amazing artist I am??.......hardly........!

[Alex]

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[GUITARIDOL5682]

You've picked up on some major valid points here. As far as people jumping onto a project for instant fame. We could say that about Randy would he of ever came out of Quiet Riot wearing the same guitar genius glow that he had during his time with Ozzy. All the players played a crucial part and the whole issue of Bob & Lee's parts being removed from those albums. That is the issue here and everyone thinks it was a shit stunt to pull. The buying public / Ozzy fans being duped into buying a second rate reproduction. Anyone who can say this was done in fairness of Bob & Lee not being liked by the Osbourne camp ?. Join the que of haters.
The new guitarist in Judas Priest, Richie Faulkner he was the guitarist in Steve Harris's (Iron Maiden) daughter's band Lauren Harris. (Can you see where i'm going with this) I would of never of rated the guy until i managed to see him on stage with Judas Priest. Being in the right place at the right time can sometimes turn your career around big time. For all the JP fans who thought the gig would be second rate without KK. They have all had a wake up call and the critics have been left gobsmacked the guy is a talent on stage.

[Stiltzkin]

I would of never of

huh?

[Isodee]

Ok, here's food for thought. We're still praising Bob & Lee for their greatness in Ozzy's career. Thank you Andrew (or should I say Bob?), I never thought this discussion could go on for months in every thread on this forum. I salute you, Sir.

Here's what I think if anyone's interested: drummers and bass players come and go and they never make a difference unless your name is Steve Harris, John Paul Jones, Joey DeMaio or Charlie Benante. Fact: Ozzy (yes surprisingly Ozzy himself has had an impact on his career) and Randy were the driving force behind those two albums. Bob's lyrics - who gives a putang?

"Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate"

Really? What a mastermind of lyricists, he must be The Shakespeare of our time. Without his input I'd have never picked up an Ozzy album. And Lee? Okay, I can hear him drumming - so what? There are zillions of drummers who could've done that, including Tommy A. and Frankie B. Batman & Robin were part of those albums no denying that but their awesomeness is a different story, get over it. They got screwed, get over that too.

I'm with you Alex 100%. Life's a bitch, when you bend over just ask Bob.

[Sky]

Ok, here's food for thought. We're still praising Bob & Lee for their greatness in Ozzy's career. Thank you Andrew (or should I say Bob?), I never thought this discussion could go on for months in every thread on this forum. I salute you, Sir.

Here's what I think if anyone's interested: drummers and bass players come and go and they never make a difference unless your name is Steve Harris, John Paul Jones, Joey DeMaio or Charlie Benante. Fact: Ozzy (yes surprisingly Ozzy himself has had an impact on his career) and Randy were the driving force behind those two albums. Bob's lyrics - who gives a putang?

"Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate"

Really? What a mastermind of lyricists, he must be The Shakespeare of our time. Without his input I'd have never picked up an Ozzy album. And Lee? Okay, I can hear him drumming - so what? There are zillions of drummers who could've done that, including Tommy A. and Frankie B. Batman & Robin were part of those albums no denying that but their awesomeness is a different story, get over it. They got screwed, get over that too.

I'm with you Alex 100%. Life's a bitch, when you bend over just ask Bob.

Thank you for helping to keep the thread going. If music be the food of love play on... Yeah that is fuckin' Shakespeare. If Bob's lyrics are not your cup of tea, drink coffee and stop bitching, it's becoming tedious. Bob also co-wrote the music, anything derogatory to say about that?

[Isodee]

Thank you for helping to keep the thread going. If music be the food of love play on... Yeah that is fuckin' Shakespeare. If Bob's lyrics are not your cup of tea, drink coffee and stop bitching, it's becoming tedious. Bob also co-wrote the music, anything derogatory to say about that?

You're welcome Sky.

Bob's lyrics are my cup of tea as anyone's. The lyrics in heavy/metal was never my first choice, I wonder why? I guess I'm blessed English is not my first or second language.

What exactly Bob co-wrote on those songs except lyrics? Please enlighten me and everyone else. Metal is guitar riffs and melody lines, ask anyone. If any bassist or drummer says otherwise they're WRONG. There's absolutely nothing special or exceptional in Bob's or Lee's performances on BOO or DOAM. Let's face it they're good but nothing spectacular.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

I would of never of

huh?

Yeah i was top of my class in all subjects... But God loves a fucking smart arse

[rokket]

Thank you for helping to keep the thread going. If music be the food of love play on... Yeah that is fuckin' Shakespeare. If Bob's lyrics are not your cup of tea, drink coffee and stop bitching, it's becoming tedious. Bob also co-wrote the music, anything derogatory to say about that?

You're welcome Sky.

Bob's lyrics are my cup of tea as anyone's. The lyrics in heavy/metal was never my first choice, I wonder why? I guess I'm blessed English is not my first or second language.

What exactly Bob co-wrote on those songs except lyrics? Please enlighten me and everyone else. Metal is guitar riffs and melody lines, ask anyone. If any bassist or drummer says otherwise they're WRONG. There's absolutely nothing special or exceptional in Bob's or Lee's performances on BOO or DOAM. Let's face it they're good but nothing spectacular.

Guitar riffs and melody lines, thats all metal is...??? wow........so the structure of a song is not important? and the lyrics for a song like Crazy Train could just have been...."Choo Choo, rollin down the tracks, listen to the wheels go clickity clack...." and people still would have thought it's an awesome song because of the melody and riffs????

I'm not sure you've convinced me that metal is just melody and riffs.

Ever heard people say things like...."Yeah the song is good but the lyrics suck"......."Love the whole thing, except the drummer is a bit ordinary"..."Pity these guys don't have a good bassist, some of what he's playing doesn't even flow with the rest of the music".....etc..etc

OMG....Your killin me........!!!!