On Bob and Lee's input

[tihsyloh]

About the South Hampton show, I noticed the Mr. Crowley ep. says "Produced by Blizzard of Ozz" on the back of it. I wonder if that has something to do with the reason they didn't release it on the boxset. Do the first pressings of Blizzard or the Crazy train single say that? I have never seen the first pressings before. I mean it's just something I was kind of wondering about after seeing the Crowley ep.

[halo8th]

Perhaps Bob and Lee are feeling the blow back of their own whining. Familiarity often breeds contempt.
They are singing to the choir taking their dissent to the public.
This is a point of contention with me. Lee & Bob had as much 'music biz' experience as Ozzy did. So how did they get fleeced so bad?

And just what can Bob reveal in his book that he hasn't already in interviews over the years, without risking going back to court with the Osbournes?

You don't get fired for nothing... and if you go back to the source, you are probably asking for more of the same.

To me, it has nothing to do with how much "music biz" experience anyone, including Ozzy had. One thing to remember through all of this is that Bob wrote ALOT of those songs. Those songs, along with Ozzy's image at the time, launched Ozzy into the stratosphere. But without "suicide solution", "flying high again", and many others off those 1st few albums, Ozzy's career goes nowhere. Thats right. Nowhere. Club headliner at best.
It's one thing to move on and work with others. Its quite another to move on....THEN also erase the history (at least attempt to..) of the people who got you there. Without Bob's early major contributions, no riches for the Osbourne family. Period, end of story, not debateable.
I've never found Lee and Bob to be "whiners". I can see where they are coming from. It would be the equivalent if you or any of us here, wrote lyrics, songs and music for someone and launched them into superstardom (and these weren't the "b" side songs, these were all of the big ones). Then they kicked YOU out...then eventually tried to stop you from earning anything from them....and tried to erase you (and badmouth you too....it wasn't just lee/bob...the badmouthing came from both sides). And the Osbournes have a history of doing things of these type with others too. It just seems to me as though they've "hogged" all the money and riches for themselves. See Ozzy driving around CA last week in that new Ferrari? Just what they need. They should send one of those, with 10 years of car insurance premiums paid up, to Bob's driveway, if you ask me.
Also, let not forget, that according to Rudy (who was there every day so he would know...), in that last year, Ozzy treated Randy like s*** too quite a bit, and it appeared that Randy couldn't stand those 2 either for the most part (ozzy + sharon). Of course Ozzy is going to say differently, but he's completely full of sh**.

Think you'd be a little bitter? I know i would be and if anyone says otherwise, they're lying or kissing Osbourne a**.

And why should Bob be worried about going to court with anything in his book? He should be allowed to say anything he damn well wants to say. Sharon tried to stop Rudy's book from coming out too and moved to block it. Thank god it came out. Who do they think they are playing "god" ?

[shred1]

Bob and Lee aren't the first, nor the last, to get screwed in this business.
Of course they deserve credit and payment.

[AndrewT1976]

I'm gonna throw this out there...Bob Daisley is the greatest rock and roll bassist of all time.

I know, I know. Heck, I love Entwistle too, but...really....


Feel free to ~~FLAME~~ me if you want.

[shred1]

Glad you dig his playing Andrew. He is a great player.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Perhaps Bob and Lee are feeling the blow back of their own whining. Familiarity often breeds contempt.
They are singing to the choir taking their dissent to the public.
This is a point of contention with me. Lee & Bob had as much 'music biz' experience as Ozzy did. So how did they get fleeced so bad?

And just what can Bob reveal in his book that he hasn't already in interviews over the years, without risking going back to court with the Osbournes?

You don't get fired for nothing... and if you go back to the source, you are probably asking for more of the same.

To me, it has nothing to do with how much "music biz" experience anyone, including Ozzy had. One thing to remember through all of this is that Bob wrote ALOT of those songs. Those songs, along with Ozzy's image at the time, launched Ozzy into the stratosphere. But without "suicide solution", "flying high again", and many others off those 1st few albums, Ozzy's career goes nowhere. Thats right. Nowhere. Club headliner at best.
It's one thing to move on and work with others. Its quite another to move on....THEN also erase the history (at least attempt to..) of the people who got you there. Without Bob's early major contributions, no riches for the Osbourne family. Period, end of story, not debateable.
I've never found Lee and Bob to be "whiners". I can see where they are coming from. It would be the equivalent if you or any of us here, wrote lyrics, songs and music for someone and launched them into superstardom (and these weren't the "b" side songs, these were all of the big ones). Then they kicked YOU out...then eventually tried to stop you from earning anything from them....and tried to erase you (and badmouth you too....it wasn't just lee/bob...the badmouthing came from both sides). And the Osbournes have a history of doing things of these type with others too. It just seems to me as though they've "hogged" all the money and riches for themselves. See Ozzy driving around CA last week in that new Ferrari? Just what they need. They should send one of those, with 10 years of car insurance premiums paid up, to Bob's driveway, if you ask me.
Also, let not forget, that according to Rudy (who was there every day so he would know...), in that last year, Ozzy treated Randy like s*** too quite a bit, and it appeared that Randy couldn't stand those 2 either for the most part (ozzy + sharon). Of course Ozzy is going to say differently, but he's completely full of sh**.

Think you'd be a little bitter? I know i would be and if anyone says otherwise, they're lying or kissing Osbourne a**.

And why should Bob be worried about going to court with anything in his book? He should be allowed to say anything he damn well wants to say. Sharon tried to stop Rudy's book from coming out too and moved to block it. Thank god it came out. Who do they think they are playing "god" ?

What was a giant sized turd on the O$bourne's part, was knowing all the time that Bob and Lee's performance royalties were being held back. Remember Don Arden handed over the rights to everything in Ozzy's catalogue upto 1982. That was his wedding present to $haron and Ozzy. For years Bob & Lee never knew they had the performance royalty money from everything they'd done and kept it all. So the O's kept quiet until the shit hit the fan. That's how Bob went back to Ozzy and wrote more albums. Because Don Arden and Jet were the one's being bad mouthed. When it should of been Ozzy who should of told them here lads we've got your money from Don. What a pair of crooked swindlers and i hope Bob's book portrays them to be exactly that. $haron and Don Arden both have a reputation to being hard faced even 'the Krays' had a good side to them. Yeah she is very like a gangster's mol.

[distortionplus]

I guess I'm going to have to find some of Bob's isolated bass tracks from BOO and DOAM and give them a listen. I've never been big on bass players, but I have watched an Entwistle video on youtube with his bass isolated. Amazing! He has to be in the top five of all time greatest rock Bassist.

I think Bob and Lee were a big part of Ozzy's success no doubt. They both got screwed over massively in my opinion. I still get tired of hearing about it though. Maybe there needs to be section of the forum devoted to topics on Bob and Lee so not to clutter the RR general section with it .

[hansolo]

I think we can all agree that Bob and Lee rock on these albums. It makes Ozzy and Randy shine like they never have before. Can there still be any doubt to their contributions?

[shred1]

Yep, erasing those guys was an extreme course of action. Ridiculous.
So was egging Iron Maiden and cutting their power at Ozzfest.... the result of Sharon hearing that Bruce Dickinson made some off-hand comment about Ozzy.

I do believe what I said about Bob's book to be true however. His legal team have their hands full (I am sure) as they scour text for anything that may set things off again, or make them worse. We can't be sure that non-disclosure agreements were signed - I'm talkin' about Bob's return for BATM specifically here. So, no, he can't say anything he wants.

And yes, O & $ did influence Rudy's book too.

Now, to the part about music biz experience.... Bob made a deal with the devil so to speak. Don Arden, known as the nastiest man in the UK music biz.
Someone he knew well before Blizzard. He KNEW who he was dealing with.

We THINK we know what happened, as I have repeated here, but we don't. We have bits and pieces, but that is all.

The reaction and fallout, no doubt, has been extreme.

[electricmombie]

Was it Sharon or Ozzy who wanted to fire Lee? Not sure. Why? Not sure. He put a stellar performance in on both albums.
Did Randy ask for two checks for the Palladium? Not sure.
Who slip sheeted the whole thing from being the Blizzard Of Ozz to Ozzy Osbourne? Not sure.
Was it Ozzy or Sharon who edited them off the re-issues? Not sure.
What was Bob's arrangement for working on Bark At The Moon? Not sure.
What was the arrangement that reportedly fixed the credits issue on Diary that didn't happen? Not sure.

Will an airing of the details in public change ANYTHING or merely fuel the feud? - say that fast!

There are three sides to just these points. One thing is for sure.
Whatever 'happened' puts a serious damper on fans seeing and hearing more Rhoads material.

I will say it again, Bob and Lee are great players, and deserve credit. I can't change that as a fan.

History has shown that the 'general public' was/is most interested in just two people in that band, Ozzy and Randy.
Not an opinion.

Well said. I agree with you totally. Initiating being a shark in business as opposed to being the victim of one.. I get it that Sharon was probably under stress x 100 dealing with an oftentimes-enebriated Ozzy and her bastard father.. Being a young woman manager in the rock business....when your father was a bastard and a half.. Who knows how that affected her judgement on being a tightwad about contracts and stuff like that?

Having said that, it goes beyond unethical when you take it too far and not bother trying to pay someone for time that they worked. Some people get off on the power tripping of doing something wrong because they can. This aspect of Sharon saddens me, for she has otherwise doing well by Ozzy, in the same way Ozzy has always done well by selecting guitarists and band members.

Whatever the reasons, you can only hope All of them realize what the original band had, and how sad it is that it became f***ed up and acrimonious on account of dealing with money..

If Bob Daisley kept going back time and time again, knowing somehow that he more than likely would be baited to be gypped financially one way or the other by the Osbournes, then he has no one but himself to blame. That's being a fool and a half. I get the lure of him working with Ozzy over and over because they do bring out the best in one another musically.

All of this is weird. It never ends, does it?

[Cryptic Night]

If Bob Daisley kept going back time and time again, knowing somehow that he more than likely would be baited to be gypped financially one way or the other by the Osbournes, then he has no one but himself to blame. That's being a fool and a half. I get the lure of him working with Ozzy over and over because they do bring out the best in one another musically.

All of this is weird. It never ends, does it?

How is he a fool for continuing work on BATM and on? He was smart about it. He didn't want royalties, he took a lump sum after those albums. He sold his portions to Ozzy, so he has no rights over those albums.

Besides, he didn't know that the Osbournes were getting his royalties until I think 1987-ish. Before that, he thought that Don Arden was getting the royalties.

[Alex]

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[Tito]

whats wrong with him as a person alex?

[rokket]

One of the biggest problems was everything seemed rushed, get a band together quick, get an album out with Ozzy on it quick before he loses the momentum he had with Sabbath, write songs quick, organise everything quick..........it seems they were working on new everything while also trying to nut out the details about, a band name, a line up, and probably legal paper work as well. It seems Ozzy and Sharon had different ideas. Ozzy seemed to want a "band", Sharon seemed to want a "solo artist"......Bob, Lee and Randy seemed to want a band as well.......except for Sharon, the "band" was throwing ideas around about a "band" name.....

It's also been said that Sharon wanted to have Tommy Aldridge in the band before they got Lee, but Tommy had other obligations and couldn't do it. Perhaps Sharon had the idea that, "well....lets just get who we can for now", but neglected to tell Bob and Lee that, because if she had, they probably wouldn't have bothered doing what they did, and fair enough too.

I imagine the 'pay' situation would have been a shambles at the time, I wouldn't be surprised if weeks went by without anyone seeing any money, eventually thats got to be a problem, you can't get by on no money for very long.

Ozzy, Randy,Lee and Bob seemed focused on a "band".....Sharon was focused on "Ozzy" the solo artist. That might not have been easy to spot in the very early stages. Quite often people think they are on the same page for a while, then suddenly realise their not.......it's not always apparent.

Don Airey said it was obvious to him that it was Bob who was whipping Randy into gear......not telling him how to play as such, but certainly guiding him in musical directions and writing.

It seems like everyone was getting along great, until, IMO, it started to become obvious that Sharon looked at things very differently to everyone else and wanted to tell "the band" what to do, how, when, where and why.

Sharon's main concern and interest was in "Ozzy".......that would have been a thorn in the side of all the rest of the band after a few months......they would have felt like...."geez...we're doing the bulk of the writing, music and lyric's, we're the ones busting our ass's arranging the songs, Ozzy's at the pub a lot of the time or asleep, comes in and then looks at us and say's, "what are we doing today?"

And I think one of the biggest issue's Bob has is that Ozzy is always saying stuff like, "well, when me and Randy wrote this....." "Me and Randy worked out that..." "Me and Randy sat down for hours and put this together..."....

And, for the most part, it's rubbish.....

Then you don't pay the guy like you should, you fire the guy for no good reason, don't give the guy credit where you should, wipe a guys parts from two albums, and then re-issue them with someone else playing, take the guy's photo and name off everything you possibly can, don't include him in the 30th Anniversary issue's of those two great albums, on the DVD or in the book.......

Well, honestly......I'd be pissed off big time too, wouldn't you?.

[shred1]

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This is interesting. For some it may be old.
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