Alex wrote:Rather silly lyrics though, aren't they?
I mean, No Bone Movies? Flying High Again? Crazy Train? He's definitely no Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond or Roger Waters.
Ozzy could have sang the phone book over Randy's music and the albums still would have sold. No one bought those albums because of the "great" lyrics. They bought them because they loved Ozzy, the Madman and the guitar playing.
Regardless, I agree 100% with Zakk and with Zloz. Yeah, you can see that Randy was the most talented person in QR, but the songs that he wrote while in that band sucked. It's why they never got a record deal in America, and rightly so. There were glances of Randy's brilliance as seen in his spot light solo from his club days but performances and songwriting BOO and DOAM were so so so SO much better than ANYTHING he did with QR. Now I do think that Randy was writing and playing for a specific scene and that's probably what contributed to the music he made with QR. With Ozzy, he was given freedom to do what he wanted to do. Leaving QR was what was best for him; he knew it, his mother knew, end of story. Let the flaming begin!
Say the original BOO line-up was Rudy (or someone like Rudy - an average bassist) instead of Bob. I think you would have been dealing with an album that sounded pretty much like a Quiet Riot album with Ozzy on vocals.
Bob was the main reason that BOO and DOAMM turned out the way they did. He probably told Randy stuff like.."hey, play in A Melodic Minor during this part, or play the Phyrigian mode during this part." Randy probably started to get the feel for composing pieces outside of standard bar pop/rock. But it was definitely Bob who channeled it.
Also - I think Randy had all of the freedom he wanted in Quiet Riot. I just think Randy (at that time) was kind of stuck in composing the same type of pop tunes.
Randy was an incredible guiatrist, but Bob knew how to coach.
AndrewT1976 wrote:I don't know if I agree 100% with that...
Say the original BOO line-up was Rudy (or someone like Rudy - an average bassist) instead of Bob. I think you would have been dealing with an album that sounded pretty much like a Quiet Riot album with Ozzy on vocals.
Bob was the main reason that BOO and DOAMM turned out the way they did. He probably told Randy stuff like.."hey, play in A Melodic Minor during this part, or play the Phyrigian mode during this part." Randy probably started to get the feel for composing pieces outside of standard bar pop/rock. But it was definitely Bob who channeled it.
Bob was the architect.
Are we really giving Bob credit now for Randys guitar parts???!!?? Bobs bass lines were great. Bob is a great musician. There is no disputing that. But this is getting a little ridiculous. I guess he wrote the drum parts too. It was his idea to double and triple track guitar parts. Ugh. Ive had enough of this "Bob" crap I guess it should be called Blizzard of Bob.
Using the isolated tracks posted here.... pull down the faders. There are two tracks that are essential - Ozzy and Randy's, and two that are kinda replaceable, if push came to shove, and one was to do such a horrible thing.
Listen to Abominog by Heep, its Bob and Lee right after working with the Blizzard.... a good solid album, but it isn't the follow-up to Diary Of A Madman, that is for sure.
Why is it so hard for a lot of people to give Bob and Lee the credit they deserve??
Folks, the albums you LOVE (BOO and DOAMM) have Bob and Lee playing on them. Bob and Lee = 50% of the band. 50%!!!!! That's huge. The ryhthym section is totally important to each and every single song.
If they didn't have Bob and Lee, Ozzy's fate could have been much, much different. Plus, Bob wrote all the lyrics. Trust me, at this stage in Ozzy's life, any resemblance of bad lyrics would have been blasted by the music critics.
No Bob and Lee = Ozzy never becoming a household name.
I'll still go on record saying Lee had a way better groove than Tommy. Tommy was all technique. Big deal. It's the same guys who say John Petrucci of Dream Theater is better than The Edge from U2. Well, NO he's not. The Edge is a songwriter, who frankly speaking - has written timeless classics and formed the generations of guitarists to come in the future. 3-second clips of his guitar work instantly give the listener something to grasp on to. Same with David Gilmour. John Petrucci's "shredding" is pointless. The listeners care about the song.
Bob and Lee helped write the songs that made the album. Tommy and Rudy were "show men" who really had no "feel" to their playing.
Led Zeppelin could have gotten Cozy Powell on drums after John Bonham died. Cozy Powell was great, but Zeppelin would have flopped without Bonham. It's not the same. It's much cheesier without the main guys.
DOAMM tour started getting cheesy - with the whole castle, and midget, and Rudy having awful stage moves, and Ozzy's red jock strap. DOAMM tour was the beginning of the downward spiral.
That first European BOO tour was the flash of brilliance. You're dealing with guys who were surprised every night they took the stage. The organic feeling of "Wow..WE DID IT!!"
Ozzy's "real" career began with BOO and ended when they fired Bob and Lee. His career (at that point) became "Ozzy with a revolving cast of hired musicians."
i think ozzys career really started after randy died....not bob and lee gettin the sack..for the most part the majority of people remember rudy and tommy not bob and lee..
I guess I'll agree with that. Ozzy's career took off from a commercial perspective, but I think had Bob and Lee remained in the band for another few albums, you'd be talking about a classic "band" and not just an iconic frontman.
