News on Bob's "Grail" tapes...

[Alex]

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[Paul Wolfe]

Randy's been quoted as saying, "Ozzy's the star, I'm just in the band."

[jasonmusicman]

Obviously somewhere in the contract he has signed states that he was a hired musician who was paid a wage and composer royalties (which he still receives).....end of story really

I agree. Nothing more to it, really. Bob and Lee fucked up, and now they are crying about it.

Sharon is 100% right in what she is doing.

I definitely agree as well.

bob and lee are still getting royalties for the song writing contributions, the thing is im not sure if the grail tapes would be classed as performances as they are in essence live band records the same as a live album, Im sure its a difference between song writing royalties and live performance royalties, Maybe thats why the osbournes said no.

Also dont forget these rehearsals went on for months and if bob taped them theres a good chance ozzy has tapes to. sharon did mention theres talking in the studios etc on the box set.


Jas.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

If the box set did include the 1980 Southampton Live audio would this be like an official Live album release ?. That would of had Bob & Lee playing Live so would they be owed for this being put out. Maybe that was one of the reasons why it may of been removed. But has it been removed ?.

[sytharnia]

If the box set did include the 1980 Southampton Live audio would this be like an official Live album release ?. That would of had Bob & Lee playing Live so would they be owed for this being put out

again no because they were paid for the gig, but they would not be paid for their performance on a live recording once it is released, but they will get royalties for their songwriting on anything that is released and that they co wrote. To put it in a nut shell, would brad gillis get a cent for performance royalties on SOTD?....no because he was a hired gun and technically when it comes to performance so was bob. I'm sure when they were in the band there would have been bonuses and perks but once your gone.............

Actually, Randy was quoted as saying:

"We recorded two albums. The problem is that they were released only overseas. The second one was released in Japan in 1980. They're pretty good records. They're real rock and roll albums.There are some good songs and the playing is pretty hot. I'd like to see those albums get released over here, because, after all, we were an American band."

Randy contradicted himself on the QR stuff more than once...

Just as Randy's image has been protected, Ozzy's has, too. Bob's tapes might not show either Ozzy or Randy in the best light, depending on what's on those tapes... sure the playing would be tremendous, but what about the conversations?

I'm sure randy probably did say that because he was a very loyal guy but when they wanted to release QR the RR yrs delores was really reluctant, I seem to remember her saying something like randy would have been embarrassed by the sound of the records.

For me again I don't need to hear the conversations and stuff....it was a moment in time between those guys and doesn't have anything to do with me, I mean what will we want next, the post cards randy wrote to his mom

[Shockwave]

I think Ozzy would have just as much of these unheard tapes as Bob does..

[Sky]

If Bob is owed "millions" then the supreme court sure doesnt see it that way since they dismissed his law suits.. And Im not at all saying that he should give the tapes away.. Im sure he could make copies in a studio to give the Osbournes.. And to be honest, what is he really even gonna do with them? Leave them sitting in his closet tucked away in a box? So at the end of the day whether he gives them to Sharon, or just leaves them in his closet., he gets no money.. Why must everyone be compensated for something?? And like Whoopie said, how does he even have these tapes? And as I said, maybe he wanted a ridiculous amount for the tapes, maybe thats why the Osbournes didnt take them.. Bob said he only asked for royalties, well, what kind of royalties? He already gets song writers royalties. Im not saying Bob hasnt been screwed, but why hold these "grail" tapes over everyones head and not share them somehow? Even if he streamed them on his damn website, that would at least be something..


Matt

Just to shed a bit of light on the situation, Bob and Lee WON their case against Jet records/Don Arden for their agreed performance royalties in the High Court in London. They never received the performance royalties they were awarded which is why they continued to pursue Don Arden for what was rightfully theirs. They later discovered that Sharon and Ozzy had bought the Blizzard catalogue from Don Arden and had been pocketing Bob and Lee's performance royalties all along. That is why Bob and Lee sued the Osbournes. Unfortunately, that case was eventually DENIED A HEARING in the US Supreme Court because of a 'technicality'.
As for Bob's tapes, from what I've read, he didn't ask for a massive sum of money when he offered them to the Osbournes, he just wanted a royalty which is the fairest method of payment, he'd only receive a percentage of the sales and if they didn't sell much, he wouldn't get paid much but he would retain a bit of control over his tapes. From what he's said, it seems he wanted to make sure that the tapes wouldn't be cut to re-write history again. Bob has said there there are legal issues that prevent him from releasing his tapes and it doesn't take much to work out who's calling all the shots.There's a very good reason why the Osbournes don't want any of us to hear what Bob has. The tapes would show us all, for the first time, exactly who did what and how much or how little involvement Ozzy had in the creative process of those two great albums. The tapes would also prove that Bob and Lee never were 'session musicians' but equal members of the band. I doubt that Sharon would want us to hear the truth for ourselves and I very much doubt that Ozzy would remember the truth if it bit him on the arse.
Sky

[jasonmusicman]

If Bob is owed "millions" then the supreme court sure doesnt see it that way since they dismissed his law suits.. And Im not at all saying that he should give the tapes away.. Im sure he could make copies in a studio to give the Osbournes.. And to be honest, what is he really even gonna do with them? Leave them sitting in his closet tucked away in a box? So at the end of the day whether he gives them to Sharon, or just leaves them in his closet., he gets no money.. Why must everyone be compensated for something?? And like Whoopie said, how does he even have these tapes? And as I said, maybe he wanted a ridiculous amount for the tapes, maybe thats why the Osbournes didnt take them.. Bob said he only asked for royalties, well, what kind of royalties? He already gets song writers royalties. Im not saying Bob hasnt been screwed, but why hold these "grail" tapes over everyones head and not share them somehow? Even if he streamed them on his damn website, that would at least be something..


Matt

Just to shed a bit of light on the situation, Bob and Lee WON their case against Jet records/Don Arden for their agreed performance royalties in the High Court in London. They never received the performance royalties they were awarded which is why they continued to pursue Don Arden for what was rightfully theirs. They later discovered that Sharon and Ozzy had bought the Blizzard catalogue from Don Arden and had been pocketing Bob and Lee's performance royalties all along. That is why Bob and Lee sued the Osbournes. Unfortunately, that case was eventually DENIED A HEARING in the US Supreme Court because of a 'technicality'.
As for Bob's tapes, from what I've read, he didn't ask for a massive sum of money when he offered them to the Osbournes, he just wanted a royalty which is the fairest method of payment, he'd only receive a percentage of the sales and if they didn't sell much, he wouldn't get paid much but he would retain a bit of control over his tapes. From what he's said, it seems he wanted to make sure that the tapes wouldn't be cut to re-write history again. Bob has said there there are legal issues that prevent him from releasing his tapes and it doesn't take much to work out who's calling all the shots.There's a very good reason why the Osbournes don't want any of us to hear what Bob has. The tapes would show us all, for the first time, exactly who did what and how much or how little involvement Ozzy had in the creative process of those two great albums. The tapes would also prove that Bob and Lee never were 'session musicians' but equal members of the band. I doubt that Sharon would want us to hear the truth for ourselves and I very much doubt that Ozzy would remember the truth if it bit him on the arse.Sky

Again theres an easy answer to that. bob will never be allowed to officially release them as we are all aware, so he will never make any money from them, he has already tried 2 routes, the documentary and now ozzy who both said no. So if there is indeed revelations as to how the band was formed etc on there bob could release it for free to the randy community, that way ozzy wouldnt get anything from it. but bob has already said that it doesnt bother him if they are released or not as he can listen to the at any time. Its all about money and thats what everything comes down to, pay me or you see or hear nothing. If everyone cares that much about randy they would give them for free if they couldnt be officially rleased, also i think there is more to the bob and sharon thing than we know about, when you think about it if those things were that bad for bob why did he continue to go back to ozzy which he did on every album up to no more tears, its all about money as i said before.

[Stewie]

If everyone cares that much about randy they would give them for free if they couldnt be officially rleased, also i think there is more to the bob and sharon thing than we know about, when you think about it if those things were that bad for bob why did he continue to go back to ozzy which he did on every album up to no more tears, its all about money as i said before.

We mainly hear Bob's side of the story how they we're left out, and we always use Sharon and $ in the same sentence... But I also do think there is more than we know now. I'm not saying Bob is a bad guy or anything, but maybe Sharon is not that evil after all.
It's a shame that they can't release it because of this. But I am more than happy with the new DVD we got now.

[Sky]

If Bob is owed "millions" then the supreme court sure doesnt see it that way since they dismissed his law suits.. And Im not at all saying that he should give the tapes away.. Im sure he could make copies in a studio to give the Osbournes.. And to be honest, what is he really even gonna do with them? Leave them sitting in his closet tucked away in a box? So at the end of the day whether he gives them to Sharon, or just leaves them in his closet., he gets no money.. Why must everyone be compensated for something?? And like Whoopie said, how does he even have these tapes? And as I said, maybe he wanted a ridiculous amount for the tapes, maybe thats why the Osbournes didnt take them.. Bob said he only asked for royalties, well, what kind of royalties? He already gets song writers royalties. Im not saying Bob hasnt been screwed, but why hold these "grail" tapes over everyones head and not share them somehow? Even if he streamed them on his damn website, that would at least be something..


Matt

Just to shed a bit of light on the situation, Bob and Lee WON their case against Jet records/Don Arden for their agreed performance royalties in the High Court in London. They never received the performance royalties they were awarded which is why they continued to pursue Don Arden for what was rightfully theirs. They later discovered that Sharon and Ozzy had bought the Blizzard catalogue from Don Arden and had been pocketing Bob and Lee's performance royalties all along. That is why Bob and Lee sued the Osbournes. Unfortunately, that case was eventually DENIED A HEARING in the US Supreme Court because of a 'technicality'.
As for Bob's tapes, from what I've read, he didn't ask for a massive sum of money when he offered them to the Osbournes, he just wanted a royalty which is the fairest method of payment, he'd only receive a percentage of the sales and if they didn't sell much, he wouldn't get paid much but he would retain a bit of control over his tapes. From what he's said, it seems he wanted to make sure that the tapes wouldn't be cut to re-write history again. Bob has said there there are legal issues that prevent him from releasing his tapes and it doesn't take much to work out who's calling all the shots.There's a very good reason why the Osbournes don't want any of us to hear what Bob has. The tapes would show us all, for the first time, exactly who did what and how much or how little involvement Ozzy had in the creative process of those two great albums. The tapes would also prove that Bob and Lee never were 'session musicians' but equal members of the band. I doubt that Sharon would want us to hear the truth for ourselves and I very much doubt that Ozzy would remember the truth if it bit him on the arse.Sky

Again theres an easy answer to that. bob will never be allowed to officially release them as we are all aware, so he will never make any money from them, he has already tried 2 routes, the documentary and now ozzy who both said no. So if there is indeed revelations as to how the band was formed etc on there bob could release it for free to the randy community, that way ozzy wouldnt get anything from it. but bob has already said that it doesnt bother him if they are released or not as he can listen to the at any time. Its all about money and thats what everything comes down to, pay me or you see or hear nothing. If everyone cares that much about randy they would give them for free if they couldnt be officially rleased, also i think there is more to the bob and sharon thing than we know about, when you think about it if those things were that bad for bob why did he continue to go back to ozzy which he did on every album up to no more tears, its all about money as i said before.

Apart from Bob saying that he can listen to his tapes at any time, he has also stated that there are legal and copyright issues preventing him from releasing his tapes but that he will continue to try. I believe the legal issue is the main problem. You'll have to ask Bob why he went back to work with Ozzy but the fact that he had a young family to support might have something to do with it. Sad that you seem to resent a musician earning money from his profession or his possessions. I wonder how Randy would feel about your opinions.
Sky

[Remedylane]

I personally dont really resent Bob per say. But he has been feuding with the Osbournes for years now.. As one poster pointed out, Bob says it was so bad, but yet he worked with Ozzy up until No More Tears. I just gotta think that if Bob really is getting "ripped off" then the courts would have decided in his favor.

So fast forward to present day and we have Bob telling the word of these "holy grail" tapes of Randy that he has.. They arent official recordings, and who knows what all is even on them.. Im sure they would be an interesting listen. Of course Id like to hear them.. Not only because im a Randy fan, but because Im an Ozzy fan, A Bob fan, and a Lee fan. Im a BOO and DOAM fan. Lets be honest, how many non Randy fans, or non musicians would even give a crap about these tapes? I dont think very many. So the only reason these tapes have significant monetary value is because Randy died. If Randy were still alive I can gurantee you there wouldnt be a ton of interest in the tapes. So Bob wants to hold these tapes over everyones head. If Bob really wants Randys fans to hear these tapes, he will find a way to release them. Even if it just somehow "leaks" out. Im sure Randy meant alot to Bob.. I would never question that.. But I still stand behind MY belief that the main goal by Bob, The Osbournes, and even the Rhoads family to a certain extent is to do whatever they can to make a buck off of his legacy.


Matt

[axeman_12656]

Sad that you seem to resent a musician earning money from his profession or his possessions. I wonder how Randy would feel about your opinions.
Sky

no one resents Bob. Many of us, like myself, just believe that there is two sides to the story.

Not saying that Bob is wrong. just saying that everything he says cant' always be 100% correct.

I have a band and we are signed to small indie label and play about 50 or 60 shows a year.. i can tell you that we have former members that claim to have written "everything" and thats total BS. Not saying that person in my band didn't help and do his part. Just sating that "everything" is def stretching it. They use this to justify their importance. I often feel like this is were Bob is. Just my opinion.

That being said.. Bob is a nice guy and good to the fans.. responds to emails and so on. I really appreciate that.

btw.. if you read I AM OZZY, Ozzy doesn't make any bones about it. He speaks a lot about how well he got along with Bob. Said the Bob was his drinking buddy in the early days and that they really were close and go along well. That is likely why Bob kept coming back. They did get along.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

A very interesting interview Bob explains his reasons for going back to work with Ozzy. Question 7 onwards
http://bobdaisley.com/interview-website.html

[axeman_12656]

To be honest... i think a lot of the reason for this box was the Osbournes, in their on little way, trying to make a peace offering with Bob and Lee. (look... we are putting you back on the albums. we admit we f*cked up. But you are back on the records.. Also we are gonna add a bonus live album on the original Blizzard of ozz band as a bonus)

well then... for whatever reason the "grail tape" negotiations fall out.... the Osbournes and Daisley clearly can not see eye to eye these days. So the Osbournes say screw it.. release the box without the grail tapes... and rather than a live Blizzard 1980 show.. replace that idea the Rudy, Tommy show that will pretty much be the same thing as Tribute.

I believe the intent was there to set the record straight and make everything right... it just didn't play out that way.

[hansolo]

Right and Randy was a hired musician too. D'ya think Randy's family got the same treatment as Lee and Bob? Sharon seems like a decent honest businesswoman, who isn't out to screw people left and right. O.K. Sharon did say (about the box) that You can hear the guys talking in the studio while they were recording. So, if that's not on there you know they had talked to Bob WHICH I TOTALLY BELIEVE HE TAPED THESE. They weren't professional 16 track or whatever, they were rough but listenable like the Suicide Rehearsal track. You think Ozzy cared about Sabbath concerts? No, get me through tonight (glub, glub) and pay me for the gig, thats all he ever cared about.