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hansolo wrote:I rest my conspiracy theory.
Wow, I tried to defend you in a previous thread, but Shaun was right, you do know it all! When you get out of your pre-teens and study the subject as long as the adults here have, then you may speak on the subject.

Sharon 'driving up with the ex-wife'? How could that be if Ayecock was divebombing the bus to kill her 9wich is the most accepted theory)? And, yes, Midway was being played on the bus. Ayecock could hear it if not see it and undoubtedly knew the film as it was released in 1976 and was a big hit at the time.

Guitar World 2002:

"At this point most of the band and crew members onboard the bus, including Rhoads, were asleep. But Tommy Aldridge remembers being awakened by the sound of the airplane in flight. 'That's when Don Airey had gone up with our bus driver.' (Tommy speaking). Airey got back on the bus and apparently persuaded Rhoads to go up on a second flight... 'Randy woke me up and tried to get me to come on the plane,' Sarzo recalls, 'That's the last time I saw him.' ... Apparently no attempt was made to awaken Ozzy or Sharon to invite them onto the plane, a detail that haunts Ozzy to this day. Tommy: 'The wing tip had hit the side of the bus and I remember the bus driver's ex-wife was standing in the doorway of the bus... The impact jolted Sarzo awake. 'I jumped out of my bunk and went into the lounge,' the bassist remembers, 'There was glass all over the place.'

There you go, "YO!" Rudy, Ozzy and Sharon asleep, Tommy making tea on the bus, unaware until the moment of impact, Don Airey watching the whole thing and not talking about it. Don is the only one who knows for sure. Never heard where Jake Duncan was at the moment of impact, he may know, too.
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hansolo wrote:sleeping on the bus? I always heard she drove up with the ex-wife.
watch "don't blame me" ...... ozzy says they were sleeping (him and sharon)
watch "behind the music" ......... they say they were sleeping
read "off the rails" ....... rudy says they were sleeping
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Though I don't have access to youtube from work, there is a segment of "Seven Ages of Rock" where Mick Wall basically states that Sharon and Ozzy saw it (the accident) happen.
I thought that was an odd statement to make, given what we've all heard and read before, and that Sharon didn't ask/demand that be changed.
I understand Wall is a journalist first: sensationalism sells, etc. but, it's not as though he doesn't know their history. He wrote the Ozzy bio "Diary of a Madman" back in the 80's, wrote Don Arden's bio with him, and has been a journalist/ editor of Kerrang!/ Classic Rock magazine since the early 80's.
Though he doesn't say in the interview below, I'd guess Jake was standing with Don. I recall Tommy saying he was up and awake, making a cup of tea when the plane hit.
I do believe it was an accident, but what I don't believe is where people say where they were. Why is it that the only eyewitness affadavit we can read, is that of Wanda? We can read those of Ozzy, Sharon and Rudy, too, but they were sleeping.
I find it odd that the statements of Don, Jake and Tommy have never surfaced.
In this interview I've posted before, Don seems to want to talk about that day, but says he doesn't know if he should:

BB: Which, unfortunately, brings us to the Randy tragedy. Forgive me, as I know this is a sensitive subject, but, I have to ask. As I understand it, you were the main witness to the accident. You were actually up in the plane just before Randy did, right? Didn't you come down just minutes before Randy & Rachel went up?

Don Airey: I think so. We went up and then came down. Then Randy went up with Rachel. That's what happened.

BB: Were you standing outside watching when it happened?

Don Airey: I saw the whole thing.

BB: I've heard so many things about it. I've heard that both Randy and Rachel hated to fly. And recently, I heard Sharon say that they didn't even like each other. So, what put them on a plane together at eight in the morning?

Don Airey: No, it was just one of those things, you know? It was a beautiful morning. You could smell the orange blossom. We trusted the guy who flew the plane. I never talk about it. I've never really talked about this. It was the most awful thing I ever saw. I don't like to talk about it because the ramifications are so awful. What actually happened that day? We'll never know. I'll never know why the plane crashed. It was just an innocent kind of thing.

BB: What was the drivers mindset like when you went up in the plane with him? Did you notice him being a little wacky? I guess they found coke in his system during the autopsy. Sharon and Ozzy seem to believe that because the piolet's ex-wife was standing outside by the bus, that for a split second he saw her and wanted to "off" her and that's why he swooped down. Does that sound even possible to you?

Don Airey: I'll just say this one thing about this and I don't want to say anything more. I had to give a deposition to the FAA and the guy said to me, "If it's any comfort, this wasn't an accident."

BB: This was the head investigator?

Don Airey: Yeah, he said, "but we can't say anything." The thing is, no one will ever know. We'll never know why it happened. All I know is I lost the best guitar player I've ever played with. He was just fantastic. He was just one of those guys who wasn't long for this world. Ozzy used to say about him, "He ain't gonna make old bones!" I was very glad I knew him (Randy). He was something very special, that's all I can tell you. I feel very happy about the fact that I knew him. I feel happy about the fact that I got on very well with him musically and personally. We were planning great things. We had the next "edition" of the Ozzy saga kind of planned. We used to get together and try out different things. I was older than him. It was the first time I had been in a band where I was significantly older than someone. So, he was like a kid to me. He was so fresh, but he understood everything. I could talk about him all night and I never get the chance.

BB: Well, that's exactly why I wanted to talk to you! Plus, you had the eye witness view of what happened the morning of the accident.

Don Airey: I'm lucky to be here. The plane missed me by inches.

BB: Were you right by the bus?

Don Airey: I was by the bus, then decided to move. When I turned around, there was a plane there! I'll never understand it. I saw Ozzy recently.
BB: You know, there's one more Randy thing I wanted to ask. Again, forgive me, but, I've never read anything extensive about it from you.

Don Airey: There is nothing I ever said about it.

BB: Sharon has mentioned you as being the "band photographer" on the road. Aren't there pictures that you took that morning?

Don Airey: Yeah.

BB: Do you still have those?

Don Airey: Of course.

BB: Did you take them just when you went up or were they flying around too?

Don Airey: I took a lot of photos.

BB: Did you take some of the scene afterwards?

Don Airey: I went in the house to see if I could get anyone out. There wasn't much left.

BB: I'm sorry, I know it's a heavy thing.

Don Airey: I don't know what to do. I don't know whether to talk about it or not.

BB: You know, this year is the 20th anniversary.

Don Airey: Oh, I know. March 19th of this year is a very difficult day for me. I send flowers every year. We've got pictures of him in our house. I remember him as best I can.


Whole interview here:
http://www.ballbustermusic.com/hard_tal ... airey.html

I guess the best account would have been from the Dakota doc, as that was claimed to be a 'riveting' interview that ran about four hours, but unfortunately, that trail seems to have gone cold.
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Cryptic Night wrote:I don't really understand what he was saying about Ozzy not wanting to talk with Bob and other former members about things because he could be brought up on manslaughter charges??

He does acknowledge them, so his argument is already proven false. I really don't understand how Bob could "stir up" manslaughter charges on Ozzy for something he had NOTHING to do with.
Please get the facts straight. Bob didn't 'stir up' any of this crap, a fan posted the shite on Bob's Facebook. There are too many baseless rumours flying around as it is.
Um..... When did I say he DID "stir up" anything? I never said he did. I DID say "I don't understand how Bob COULD "stir up" manslaughter charges..." not that he DID. There is a huge difference.

My facts are straight, maybe you just need to get your reading straight, my friend. :wink:
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Whoopiecat, thanks for posting that... I feel for Don Airey, it must be hard to live with that memory.

Why would an FAA guy say, "If it's any comfort, this wasn't an accident"? How could that be a comfort? Why could they not say anything? That is there job to say what happened, honestly.

Unless Don or Jake come forward with a different story or the FAA produces documentation, I'll forever believe it was an accident based on them dive bombing similar to the kamikaze in the movie they watched the night before.
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I guess Jake was approached by the folks at Dakota, but politely and respectfully declined, stating that was a period in his life he did not care to revisit ever again, which is certainly understandable.
It is obvious it weighs on Don, but I imagine it is even harder on Jake, as the blame was place on his shoulders and he was replaced very shortly after.
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Paul Wolfe wrote: Unless Don or Jake come forward with a different story or the FAA produces documentation, I'll forever believe it was an accident based on them dive bombing similar to the kamikaze in the movie they watched the night before.
Absolutely agree.

There are just too many things that point to it being an accident and nothing more. In my humble opinion, if the pilot was hell bent on taking himself or his ex-wife out of existence, he had the same opportunity to do so on the first flight...
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thing about this and I have to go back and check, I don't think the first flight, ayecock was doing dive bombs like that at the bus was he? Have to go back and read off the rails to refresh. According to Sharon she thought the sight of his wife possibly made him increasingly mad with each pass. Who knows, they were fighting and I guess she could have been yelling at him from the ground and it pissed him off more, he could have been getting a kick out of scaring her and then he made a fatal misjudgment. Obviously something was getting him off to try it a few more times. It's just a terrible thing I think nothing else will ever be learned. He is gone in a flash and we will always miss him until we meet in the end as the words go.
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Wow,Thats Crazy!!BullShit,but it Does seem Possible if that in Fact were the Law??
Ozzy prob did pay for the Blow,but After all theese years how would they go along with an investigation,if that were True Than I guess Tommy would be Accessory to the Fact because in that Guitar Player Article he said something like ,I Got in & Moved the Bus in the Culdisack because the Fire & Flames were Getting Close,& next to the Drivers seat there was in the control panel where all the Switches are was "The Biggest Bag of Cocaine I ever Saw ,it was Like a Freezer Bag Full" So appearently he took the Bag & Threw it in the Nearby Woods.He also said,I dont know if it was the right thing to do but, I Could just see the Headlines,being down in the south,ROCKSTAR ACCIDENT & Lots of Drugs were found on the Bus
And How would they Prove that Ozzy had paid for them drugz?? The only Drugs found were in his System,Randy had Nicotine & metabolites of Darvon/Darvacet,but as we all know he had just had Tooth Surgery before that leg of the Tour begain,so they were prescribed.

Mabey thats the Law,but Come on!! Thats a Bit Far Fetched.
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TAB wrote:thing about this and I have to go back and check, I don't think the first flight, ayecock was doing dive bombs like that at the bus was he? Have to go back and read off the rails to refresh.
No offense, but Off the Rails is Rudy's book and he was asleep during both flights.
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TAB wrote:thing about this and I have to go back and check, I don't think the first flight, ayecock was doing dive bombs like that at the bus was he? Have to go back and read off the rails to refresh. According to Sharon she thought the sight of his wife possibly made him increasingly mad with each pass. Who knows, they were fighting and I guess she could have been yelling at him from the ground and it pissed him off more, he could have been getting a kick out of scaring her and then he made a fatal misjudgment. Obviously something was getting him off to try it a few more times. It's just a terrible thing I think nothing else will ever be learned. He is gone in a flash and we will always miss him until we meet in the end as the words go.
I think Sharon said that they did 'whirlygigs' when Don & Jake went up (Diary of a Madman book)...but that they made pilot promise not to do any silly stuff with Randy & Rachel. Which I believe, cos RR was meant to be afraid of flying and Rachel had her heart condition, but yeah I agree with the rest TAB, coke in pilot's system and he was probably trying to scare the wife......and then the horrible accident. As in pilot's mood changed quickly once they got airborne, and he misjudged his distance from the bus.......
I do just think it was a horrible accident, but one caused by some very reckless flying.
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Paul Wolfe wrote: Ozzy wanted to play the next day with a replacement! So of course they will vilify Ayecock, Daisley and Kerslake or anyone who affects the ability of the Osbournes to make money. Ozzy even punched Randy over the same issue.
Ok, is this a typo?
Randy?
I have never heard of Ozzy ever punching Randy....

Is this supposed to be RUDY?
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yeah he knocked the shit out of him while he(ozzy) was drunk...pissed that he was trying to leave the band and go study...help me out guys!!rudy saw it its in his book..they patched up after i think cant remember the details
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