I hink it was mentioned,but pretty Interesting

[Isodee]

I was daring to hope that it was the video that Whoopiecat spoke about, where Don sold a Blizzard show for $100,000.

According to someone trying to sell a book. I guarantee you it didn't contain live Randy footage.

How do you know this, inside info maybe? Machat mentions a Blizzard Of Ozz show, not Ozzy Osbourne show referring later years. Machat and his father worked closely with Don Arden and apparently he's partners with Sharon in a company called Princess Productions.

To protect all interests, I opened up a company in Nevada called Princess Productions, which covered our end of the deal [record deal between Jet & CBS/US]. This was me and Sharon taking care of our fathers. I incorporated the company, taking the roles of vice-president and treasurer and Sharon was secretary and president. I own 15 per cent cut of Princess plus unpaid monies in excess of a then $250,000.

I don't believe Machat is trying to sell his book with Ozzy & Randy stories which are actually pretty small part of it. On Ardens he concentrates more on Jet & ELO who were their biggest clients at the time. I doubt he needs to make up a story about Don selling Musicmaker a BOO live show for $100,000 and him getting a 20% commision he split with some other guy. He was involved with the Ardens and has done a long career in music business, mostly representing pop and rap artists. Randy is mentioned maybe twice in the book, Machat clearly knows him and his story and refers to the accident but very briefly in one paragraph. He refers to Bob and Lee few times (we all know why), the Rhoads estate is naturally mentioned too.

He tells a story about roasting Ozzy at the Jet offices after the Alamo incident. Finally Ozzy admitted it was a publicity stunt because it was the only show that had not sold enough tickets. Cunning stunt, I say!

[whoopiecat]

Thanks very much for that, Isodee

Tom

[DMRX]

Yeah,I had pointed this out a few weeks ago when I first heard that it was rumored to be 65 Mins that Afterhours & the ET Footage (which could be the "interview clips" that are mentioned) would/could add up to 65 min on their own.Then I wa givin flack about bitching about the footage that we wouldnt have otherwise!
Which I do Agree,but both of those have been available for Years & years w/the exception of what PM located as far as whatever was left on the cutting room floor so to speak.
But Sharon said that there are "TWO" Concerts in the "Archive" & a 3rd Film wwhich is open to debate???
Either it could be the Documentary??The E.T Footage/Afterhours???Or mabe PM did find another Show & had to get the Osbournes either to Pay for it (the rights/aqquire it from whomever may have had it.)
But I dont think Sharon would have considered Afterhours a "Concert",I recall reading somewhere that this "may have been something that the Osbournes had aquirred in the last 15 years"???who knows
Mabey Whereagle s gut has something too????Or the "Brothers" Or Ozzys Vox arnt repairable & they will make a Compilation of Key instrumental parts (like in Dont Blame Me w/just the solos) or mabey something else,they are very Powerful in the Industry & have done a remarkable Job keeping it Underwraps!!!
Zakk said he saw it,it WAS Pro-shot but was in a small venue that looked like a rehearsal??
I personally think that the Documentary fell apart & Mrs. Rhoads contacted Ozzy/Sharon & gave the Green light to put out something to please the fans that she otherwise wouldnt have or hadnt before for any number of reasons. God at least were almost there!!!

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

I was daring to hope that it was the video that Whoopiecat spoke about, where Don sold a Blizzard show for $100,000.

According to someone trying to sell a book. I guarantee you it didn't contain live Randy footage.

How do you know this, inside info maybe? Machat mentions a Blizzard Of Ozz show, not Ozzy Osbourne show referring later years. Machat and his father worked closely with Don Arden and apparently he's partners with Sharon in a company called Princess Productions.

I don't believe Machat is trying to sell his book with Ozzy & Randy stories which are actually pretty small part of it.

This "alleged" BOO video wasn't "allegedly" SOLD until 1999.

You're ASSUMING that when he says "BOO" that he's referring to something PRIOR to 04/82.

SOMEONE would have been distributing it, LONG AGO, if it contained Randy.

You don't pay $100K to purchase a VALUABLE and TRULY RARE video and then "sit on it." That makes zero sense.

[whoopiecat]

What about Van Halen from the Oakland show in 1981? We've seen 'Unchained', 'So This Is Love?' and 'Hear About It Later' on MTV way back in the day, but the band has yet to release it in it's entirety.
The crew was present for both shows, but those three songs are claimed to be all there is?
Same goes for Jimmy Page sitting on all of the footage he had that wound up on the Zeppelin DVD in '03, as well as the volumes of Kissology.
Seems most big bands sit on lots of vault material as the years roll by. Plus, it really could be the matter of different people holding the rights to Randy's name, likeness, publishing, etc...

T.

[Isodee]

This "alleged" BOO video wasn't "allegedly" SOLD until 1999.

What's your point? Allegedly it was in Don Arden's possession until he decided to sell it with the help of Steven Machat in 1999. This is what's been told in my opinion by a reliable source. Please, if you have that kind of credibility prove us otherwise.

You're ASSUMING that when he says "BOO" that he's referring to something PRIOR to 04/82.

Yes, and you're assuming it's not?

I'm assuming it's Randy era material because that's when Machat was associated with Ardens/Jet Records/Ozzy Osbourne. He wasn't doing any business with them later, there is no mentions about Bernie Torme, Brad Gillis or anything about Ozzy's band members after the fall out between Bob/Lee and them getting replaced by Rudy & Tommy. Machat clearly implies the film is from the same era he associated with them. In case it wasn't it made zero sense him telling about it.

SOMEONE would have been distributing it, LONG AGO, if it contained Randy.

Why? To be honest, Randy is no Elvis Presley. The fact that parts of After Hours was released on Down To Earth CD proves that it's nowadays in Osbournes' possession. So, after all these years why hasn't it been officially released?

You don't pay $100K to purchase a VALUABLE and TRULY RARE video and then "sit on it." That makes zero sense.

I call that investment. Maybe the buyer thought the time wasn't right and decided to sit on it. Isn't that the case with all investments?

Same goes for Jimmy Page sitting on all of the footage he had that wound up on the Zeppelin DVD in '03, as well as the volumes of Kissology. Seems most big bands sit on lots of vault material as the years roll by. Plus, it really could be the matter of different people holding the rights to Randy's name, likeness, publishing, etc...

Very true. For example Iron Maiden didn't release their 1982 filmed live concert because they thought then the film quality wasn't good enough (there was some issues with lighting). After restoring it they finally released it as part of the Early Days DVD some years ago.

There could be tons of reasons why something isn't released - anything from legal issues to perfectionism or ignorance. I don't believe we have a conspiracy case here. For one reason or another the film Machat is referring to hasn't been released.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

That film could be anywhere now and with $haron falling out with her Dad and not making up until years later. If the film was held back because of Randy's death. It could of been sitting waiting for the best time to release it. But i think the mystery of where it is has died at the same time as Don Arden

[DMRX]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!I Just hope we get a Traier/teaser/promotional Video of Randy sometime Soon here!!!

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

You don't pay $100K to purchase a VALUABLE and TRULY RARE video and then "sit on it." That makes zero sense.

I call that investment. Maybe the buyer thought the time wasn't right and decided to sit on it. Isn't that the case with all investments?

No, it's not the case with all investments.

Unless you're a clueless investor.

I guarantee you any such video does NOT contain Randy Rhoads footage.

Period.

[Isodee]

I guarantee you any such video does NOT contain Randy Rhoads footage.

Period.

If you KNOW this for a fact you MUST have something to back it up. So what is it?

I'm sure there are many others who want this piece of information too. Otherwise it's just you and me argueing about it.

[whoopiecat]

Oh, same goes for me too. Not calling you out, Sir, but you seem very adamant about the subject, and I'd be curious to know how a professional photographer has inside information regarding what Jet/CBS/Sony may or may not have in their vaults?
Have you read Steven Machat's book? I have, and I don't get the vibe he was name dropping to sell a book. The pages concerning Ozzy, Sharon, Bob, Lee and Randy don't total very many pages. Probably a twenty page chapter in a three hundred page book?
Bob Daisley gives this man his endorsement, as he was working with both him and Lee with the lawsuit...I don't see how Machat has anything to gain by lying, and footage of Jake or Brad or even Bernie wouldn't command such a high price.
Again, not saying your lying, but if you can indeed guarantee us with such finality, I'd like to know how that's possible, as well as most here.
Isodee, you made a good point about the Maiden footage that Steve Harris felt was inferior, due to lighting. When I got my copy of "The Early Days" and viewed it for myself, I thought: 'Sure it's a little dark, but who gives a shit? I've got bright/contrast controls on the TV!' I thought it was entirely watchable.

T.

[Isodee]

Isodee, you made a good point about the Maiden footage that Steve Harris felt was inferior, due to lighting. When I got my copy of "The Early Days" and viewed it for myself, I thought: 'Sure it's a little dark, but who gives a shit? I've got bright/contrast controls on the TV!' I thought it was entirely watchable.

T.

BTW, just remembered something that hits me every time I see that footage: that Hammersmith show was shot 20th March 1982.

If it was released on VHS in mid eighties who would have noticed anything wrong with it? Now in hi-def with 40"+ screens it's a bit different story!

[whoopiecat]

I think I recall seeing that date, but had forgotten 'til now.
I recall Page saying in an interview some of the footage on that fat-ass Zep DVD made him nervous about presenting it to the public, due to the quality...these folks don't seem to understand that for the most part, it doesn't matter. It is what it is...if you build it, we will come

T.

[dmnjr]

I had a Maiden VHS from back in the 80s covering their history till that point. I always remembered seeing that date on there and immediately wondered if Randy ever heard or liked Iron Maiden. 'Beast' came out in early 82. I remember them playing Total Eclipse on it.

[Gus]

Rhoads Rock Photographer, to be as certain as you are you must've done a fair amount of checking into it, which is cool by me. But I wouldn't close of all possibility of such a tape existing.

Stuff doesn't just surface to the general public simply because we want it to. There are probably some very wealthy investors who have items that they just sit on forever because it isn't just about the money. They may get off on the fact that only they and their closest family/friends get to see it. Wyldeone (RIP) told me that he thought the '82 Chicago footage was deliberately tampered with to put the glitches in it, and was reduced from being a full or near to full show, so that only the original owner had a mint and full copy. And that footage is amateur for Gods sake!

It's also likely that there are insiders who have items that they don't give up due to copyright restrictions.

Think about the RR videos/audios that the public can access now. Almost 100% of those have come to use via the fans: either a fan recorded it, or if it's professional quality (eg. After Hours, radio broadcasts), a fan distributed it. To assume that this is the whole story is to be a bit narrow on it.

I can believe that Don Arden was the kind of guy who would've arranged for something to be filmed and intended to release it. But then Randy dies, and there's friction with the Osbournes for many years. The game may have changed totally from his point of view. Who knows? Not allowing the O's to release it could've been his payback for the fact that the 'Speak' album, which was meant to feature Randy to the benefit of Jet Records, didn't.

You're sure that it would've surfaced by now? Why? Who had the power to stand over Arden and force him to release something, and who would've been dumb enough to try and steal it from him? Who know what the motivations of the current owner are?

All I'm saying is please keep the faith a bit longer.