Randys pedals from guitar to amp

[TheMrAxeman]

wait wareagle i can see why u thot that i thot u didnt know what you were talking about it was a typo lol sorry man so is that what you did the second half of the vid just change which side you plugged into?
guitar----out-d-in-----out-w-in-----amp

[TheMrAxeman]

also wareagle your pedals sound way different when you have guitar to distortion to eq to wah than when i have mine that way with yours it screws up like you said but on mine it sounds a lot better that way

[krandall]

randy used his volume to go from rythym to lead and to clean his clean was a master bypass and using his volume pedal to turn down the signal thats what most people i know use it for also and they have it as the first thing they plug into

so what you are telling me is that if you run your guitar into a volume pedal and into a distortion pedal that when you change the level of your volume pedal that the tone(distortion) of your distortion pedal doesn't change but only in loudness? plug your guitar direct into your distortion pedal,then turn down the volume on your guitar,does the tone of the distortion change meaning how distorted it was change? of course it does,think of your volume pedal as a driver,the more up you have it the more you are driving the signal of your distortion pedal from your guitars pickups,think of a booster when your are turning up the level of your volume pedal which would be like if you had your guitar plugged directly into you distortion pedal,turning down your guitars volume control is driving the distortion pedal less which is affecting the tone or how much distortion more than how loud.yes you are changing the loudness but also changing how distorted the tone is.

[tekker]

This is silly, ofcourse the wah is AFTER the distortion pedal, Randy would never have got that overdistorted-sweep if he had it before.
I remember listening to the end of "I don´t know" and hearing that blistering sweep he got and wondered; wow, how did he got that sound?
After some years I accidently put my wah after my overdrive pedal and got Randys squeel, so TheMrAxeman you are completly right!!

Randy never used his wah as a wah should be used, he did it in his own successful way and created an incredible squeelsweep effect.

And Wareagle, both Randys wah and volume pedals input/output are connected inside the pedalbord with it´s connectors on the backside of it,
so you can´t really see were the guitar goes first, but I assume that it is the volumepedal before distortion but I´m not sure because I rarely
uses one, but I have both FV-2 (randys) and the FV-20 (2 inputs/2 outputs).

[wareagle]

It wouldn't drain it because he had a true bypass strip and everyone I ask who has a volume pedal except u uses it first so it not only controlls the volume of the guitar but the volume of the pedals

not at all... ive never heard of anyone using a volume pedal first. the only reason for that would be if he has no effects only distortion and would want to lower the distortion level with it...

[wareagle]

randy used his volume to go from rythym to lead and to clean his clean was a master bypass and using his volume pedal to turn down the signal thats what most people i know use it for also and they have it as the first thing they plug into

no he rolled back his guitar volume. he also probably switched off the eq and mxr for when he did clean stuff but i wouldnt know that... but i know he rolled back his volume. that would be the only way, hed have to lower his volume pedal almost all the way back to get it clean... and its just a pain to do that, he could walk around and pllay with rolling back his guitar volume... again youll see this stuff when you gig...

[chasmcneal]

i think there is a serious case of 'missing the point' here. whether or not Randy had the wah first or last in the chain is really only a mildly interesting piece of trivia. when setting up pedals, there isnt a 'right' or 'wrong' way, and if you think it sounds right, go for it. conventional wisdom says the wah goes first in the chain- but Randy defied convention in many ways, which is one of the many reasons he's such a well regarded player.


... kind of a silly argument, dudes should just use whatever set up they like.

[TheMrAxeman]

i didnt say he only lowered the loudness but that he change from lead to rythym to clean because it lowered the distortion

[TheMrAxeman]

i think there is a serious case of 'missing the point' here. whether or not Randy had the wah first or last in the chain is really only a mildly interesting piece of trivia. when setting up pedals, there isnt a 'right' or 'wrong' way, and if you think it sounds right, go for it. conventional wisdom says the wah goes first in the chain- but Randy defied convention in many ways, which is one of the many reasons he's such a well regarded player.


... kind of a silly argument, dudes should just use whatever set up they like.

+1 i just wanted to know because im making a replica lol

[TheMrAxeman]

i guess we could end this topic by saying that when i make the replica with all the pedals that i will make a video of the possible ways he had the pedals in the board and will go to a music store to use a 1959 plexi. all we know for sure right is which switches do what so there is only a couple possible ways he could of done it...maybe theyll have his board in the museum...i guess if you guys dont want to take up more space in this section just pm me about the chip pan that you think i should know before making the replica...or go here if you want to continue this discussion http://rrchippan.handzonsitemaker.com/# ... 4541551398

[wareagle]

hah be sure to buy the amp because theyre not gonna let you play it at his volumes...

[TheMrAxeman]

Hahaha

[tedeeoo]

I won't comment on Randy's pedal placement, it seems like you guys have it all covered, regarding volume pedal/wah placement, I run straight into wah and then into my volume pedal before going into my other pedals. I do it this way purely for ease of use as I use my volume pedal both for swells (sometimes) and as a second on/off for killing the signal when I need to (not really killing just turning the volume down), I prefer the volume knob for semi-clean tones. This way it puts the wah and volume pedal side by side which works better for me while I'm singing and playing, I don't really notice any loss of tone running this way although different makes of volume pedals affect tone different ways when you back off of them in my expierience. Different makes of wah's react different to, especially some of the newer ones. Again, can't really comment on Randy's set-up other than I remember Ozzy saying when he had his pedalboard built that he knew exactly how he wanted it done, so I'm sure whatever he was doing was working for him whether it was technically correct or not.

Here is my set-up, again this is what works for me and is in no way indicative of how anyone should do things:


Guitar-Morley Bad-Horsie 2>Morley Little Alligator>Majik Box Rocket Fuel (overdrive and boost)>Carl Martin Compressor>T.C. Nova Delay>Amp


Absolutely love threads like this one, I learn alot from other guitar players set-ups

[RR-ElectricAngel]

I've always wondered if there is some secret arrangement no one has thought of that would create some new dimension to guitar tone. All I ever find (Ask.com) is this as a general rule...

"Use the following effects order when setting up your pedals: Guitar, Wah, Octave, Noise Gate, Compressor, Overdrive/Distortion, EQ, Modulation effects, Delay, Reverb. Place your pedals in this order from right to left (to make cable connections easier.) If a particular pedal is not part of your setup, simply skip over it and continue to the next guitar pedal type".

Then it says this as well...

"There are no strict rules regarding making guitar tones. The order of effects mentioned here are the most commonly used by guitarists. This order is common because it maintains the purity of the guitar tone as much as possible throughout the chain. However, many interesting guitar sounds have been made by breaking the rules. Get used to this standard setup first and then feel free to experiment with pedal placement as you gain experience and understand what each pedal does to a guitar's tone".

If Randy did break the rules I sure would like to know how. Anybody willing to demonstrate the difference?

[TheMrAxeman]

the difference of what click the link under the media player on my post to hear a difference between guitar=d+=eq=wah=amp and guitar=wah=eq=d+=amp if thats what you mean.