TheMrAxeman wrote:haha dude you know pedals only go from left to right not from right to left you cant just plug it in the opposite way that screws every thing up this is what you have to do
if it was like this lik yours was at first
amp-----out-d-in-----out-w-in------guitar
you have to do this
amp-----out-w-in----out-d-in-------guitar
this is what you did in the vid
guitar------out-d-in------out-w-in----guitar
you just changed which side you plugged into pedals dont work like that
you cant plug a guitar into the output slot in the pedal and the amp into the input all pedals clearly say on them the input side thats the side that should lead to your guitar and the output side should lead to your amp lol and in the vid you just switched which side you plugged into for the amp and the guitar
not at all i switched it so the wah was after distortion. i didnt just switch it around... i know a bit more then you think about this stuff uk...
Lol ik I trust you on this stuff except that we won't know unless the pedalboard is opened or if we have randys set up lol it was kinda hard to see what you did too cuz ur wires are concealed sorry bout that
and i posted a few pics of his pedalboard... generally its assumed its before. and its a fact in randys case since the distortion came from the amp not a pedal.... it HAD to be before distortion bc it had to be before the amp...
It was before the amp but not the distortion pedal and he had distortion from his amp and his pedal so it could be before his amp but after the pedal uk
it could but honestly it wouldnt make sense for that... if the wah was last everything else would litterally be drained out, chorus distortion flang everything. and if the volume is first it would only add to the problem.
when you play guitar longer and learn about gear aquire it and play live youll see what i mean.
It wouldn't drain it because he had a true bypass strip and everyone I ask who has a volume pedal except u uses it first so it not only controlls the volume of the guitar but the volume of the pedals
live i've only ever heard him use the wah for that sweeping filter effect, which does sound most like him with the wah last in the chain- if thats all he used it for, it would make sense that he had it last. in the studio, he clearly had it in front on songs like YCKRR
wareagle wrote:i pmed u a bunch of pics of his chain the wah after the distortion is too much effect, and drains out everything else. generally wah is before.
Yes wareagle you are correct,a wah after distortion thins the tone quality of the distortion before it and the sweep of the wah sounds more abrupt like too much wah inflection.
so far score is
wah after 4
wah before 3
also krandall i would like to point out there are no actual pics of the chain and it wouldnt drain the sound because of the true bypass strip, his amp having most of the gain, and his distortion not having much, also in your video wareagle i agree that in your setup it sounded horrible switched around but in mine which has 3 of randys pedals ive tried every other way and guitar>d>eq>w>amp sounds most like what randy used to me expecially the wah being slightly distorted from the d+
first wah always before, it drains out your other pedals, delay has to really be last... all the effect have to really be after distortion and after wah. and the volume must be last because if it isnt it controls the output of the pedals. like lets say you put it first your not only lowering you volume your lowering your distortion and effects.
the standard way of effects is guitar-wah-dist-eq-then modulations effects then a volume pedal.yes on using the volume pedal first does not even make sense. why not just leave it out and use the volume control on your guitar which would be doing the same thing anyways. when you have a volume pedal from the guitar into the pedals,you are not controlling the loudness of the effects,you are manipulating how much signal from your guitar goes into the effects,now let's say you have your guitar going into a volume pedal then into a distortion pedal,like let's say you slightly turn down the volume pedal,what you just did is put less guitar pickup signal into the distortion pedal which would make the sound of the distortion pedal would sound less distorted,which would be the same as if you had your guitar directly into the distortion pedal and slightly turned down your guitars volume thereby lessoning the tone(distortion) of your distortion pedal. a volume pedal before pedals only effects how much of your guitar pickups is going into the effects and changes the overall tone of the pedals whereas if you had the volume pedal after the pedals then you are controlling the loudness of the tone from the guitar and effects going into the amp which is acting as a more of a loudness control rather than before effects which only alters the tone and makes it less which is the same as turning down the volume on the guitar.
wareagle wrote:i didnt understand that last post at all hah
yeah i have that bootleg, he uses an insane amount of chorus and at times adds delay, also really distorted and uses his rhythm pickup. i dont seem to understand the sound your getting at? are you talking about his "rolling"tone as i call it. he only uses wah at like 2:05 at the break point uk... and thats a normal wah tone if you have it before. if your had it after when he put the sweep lower you wouldnt hear anything.
the true bypass strip doesnt do anything for signal order. when you switch it on its gonna be before the rest of the pedals.
not at all, a volume pedal controlls the volume of anything after it. so if you put it last in the chain before the amp it controls the amps volume (and if the amp is breaking up its distortion) however if you put it before everything itll controll those volumes too, so he would not only be controlling his amp volume but his delay, chorus, flang, wah, distortion etc volumes and it would sound like crap. sorry dude you gotta trust me on this one...
BINGO! yes with a volume pedal before effects you are only doing the same thing as using your guitars volume control and controlling how much of your guitar pickups signal is going the effects ,plug your guitar into a volume pedal into your distortion then lower the level of your volume pedal and tell me that the tone of the distortion is the same as if you had the volume pedal on full-it wouldn't be.
TheMrAxeman wrote:It wouldn't drain it because he had a true bypass strip and everyone I ask who has a volume pedal except u uses it first so it not only controlls the volume of the guitar but the volume of the pedals
the volume of the pedals? having the volume pedal before effects you aren't changing the volume of the pedals,you are changing the overall tone of the effects by limiting how much guitar signal goes into them when you manipulate the volume pedal. having your guitar volume on 10 and directly into a distortion pedal would be the same as having your guitar volume on 10 into the volume pedal 'on full' into your distortion pedal,turning down the volume pedal limits your guitar signal which is making the distorted tone of your distortion pedal less distorted more than less louder.
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TheMrAxeman wrote:haha dude you know pedals only go from left to right not from right to left you cant just plug it in the opposite way that screws every thing up this is what you have to do
if it was like this lik yours was at first
amp-----out-d-in-----out-w-in------guitar
you have to do this
amp-----out-w-in----out-d-in-------guitar
this is what you did in the vid
guitar------out-d-in------out-w-in----guitar
you just changed which side you plugged into pedals dont work like that
you cant plug a guitar into the output slot in the pedal and the amp into the input all pedals clearly say on them the input side thats the side that should lead to your guitar and the output side should lead to your amp lol and in the vid you just switched which side you plugged into for the amp and the guitar
not at all i switched it so the wah was after distortion. i didnt just switch it around... i know a bit more then you think about this stuff uk...
guitar----out-d-in------out-w-in-----guitar?
I didn't know that you plugged your effects in between two guitars?,where's that second guitar?
randy used his volume to go from rythym to lead and to clean his clean was a master bypass and using his volume pedal to turn down the signal thats what most people i know use it for also and they have it as the first thing they plug into
left to right not from right to left you cant just plug it in the opposite way that screws every thing up this is what you have to do
the wah after the distortion is too much effect, and drains out everything else. generally wah is before.