Chip Pan

[Ritchie]

i got a question i been wondering for a while..how did max get rid of all the noise randys board made??

The signal to noise would have been fine when he played through cranked amps .. and Max would have gated the signal for stops .. pauses etc while recording

[Tito]

sweet thanks ritchie!!

[Ritchie]

sweet thanks ritchie!!

The same things is acheived by just rolling off the volume on the guitar real fast in the pauses .. but even with the guitars volume off, if you still have an OD / Dist pedal turned on and your Marshall cranked it's still hella noisy .

[Tito]

tell me about it i was jammin yesterday with a friend of mine through my old marshall 4by12 and i was doing that exact thing...i only had an mxr distortion classic in the chain and it was noisy lol!!!!so i kept thinking damn randy must have drove everybody nuts with all his boxes wow!!!!!

[guntervent]

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[TheMrAxeman]

ok sweet

[krandall]

do you know were i could find out how to make an on/off switch for the wah?

The question is do you want the on/off switch to be true bypass or true bypass with on/off LED indicator light,there are wiring diagrams on the web,a DPDT switch(that's a double pole double throw switch) would be used for true bypass without an LED (also known as a Carliing brand DPDT switch)and a 3PDT(that's a triple throw double throw switch)that would be used to wire true bypass and also to wire an on/off indicator light(LED).Hope this helps.Kevin

[krandall]

True Bypass Strips are what are used on concealed boards like that(and open). You can can get them in strips or singles, and space them out however you like. Randy had a huge board so the guy must have used single bypasses. Basically all they do is keep your original signal in tact so there is no tone suckage when the pedals are off. The old MXR's are notorious for there crappy bypasses and noise issues. With the bypass, with the pedal off you don't get any of that.

All your pedals are left in the ON position and you just loop it into the bypass which ends up controlling the ON/OFF.


This will get you in the right direction

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After looking at the pics of Randy's board I would say the original pedals are definitely right under the top layer, you can see the screws holding them up to the surface. Theres one at the bottom and top of the Distorsion +, one on the left and right side of the chorus and flanger, probably two more on each behind the knobs, looks like 2 above the EQ also. He must have just knocked out the 3DPT switch and let it just hang or something along those lines which could have caused all the problems Randy had with it.

Shockwave,you make some very interesting points of view here,I've been into music electronics for 32 years and have fixed many vintage pedals and yes old MXR's were
notrious for crappy bypasses and noises,most pedals of the early 70's like wahs and MXR pedals featured SPDT pushbutton switches (that's single pole double throw)for bypass,the problem with this was that the effect input was hardwired to the input jack which meant that one still had the effect sucking tone when in bypass mode,some pedals (while not many)also used DPDT pushbutton switches for true bypass however with no on/off indicator light or LED, the other problem with using SPDT or DPDT
switches is the pop sound when switching the pedal on and off. Ibanez in the late 70's came out and other companies later like BOSS and DOD featured FET switching
in which the FET switching circuit was wired to the effects preamp stage and output stage and when switched off would bypass the effect stage and when in bypass
mode one would still be going thru the preamp and output stage while not true bypass it was much quieter when switching which was ativated by a momentary switch
which caused the effect to be bypassed and also when the effect was activated the pedals on/off LED was on.On the 3PDT switches(that's triple throw double throw)
I do not recall them being on the market back around when Randy's pedalboard was done unless they were available in England at the time but not here in the US which would seem unlikely and they have really only been available on the market in the last 10-20 years. I also notice Randy's pedalboards has BOSS looking switch plates
which makes me wonder if Randy's effects each had an FET switching circuit w/ on/off LED indicator lights as again I don't recall 3PDT switches being around
then and it would seem strange to use a BOSS looking switch plate being used to push down on a pushbutton switch rather than a momentary switch that is commonly used with a circuit such as an FET switching circuit which was around at the time with on/off indicator light,yes just guessing here.could be wrong.Also is that cables that I see coming out of the holes where the in and out jacks were on the wah and possibly being hardwired to the wah circuit and going into the pedalboard to the wah on off switch. Sorry to ramble on. Regards,Kevin

[krandall]

Axeman,

if you're seriously considering building your own effect board I HIGHLY suggest you begin reading up on the various DIY Effects sites. I have built MANY stompboxes over the years and it is a very intricate science. One that can not be explained casually in a non-tech site like this one. If terms like 3PDT are foreign to you check out some of the following...

http://Www.generalguitargadgets.com
http://www.fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com
http://www.tonepad.com
http://www.ditstompboxes.com
http://www.buildyourownclone.com

if you want my opinion, you DO NOT want to build an exact replica of Randy's board. It is grotesquely oversized by today's standards, ha many technical problems as we all know, and is very outdated by today's standards. Beyond that, the MXR effects randy used are simply not avaialable any longer. The current MXR reissues bear little resemblance to the originals and if you're goin to go that route getting all the vintage MXR pedals will easily cost upwards of $2000 alone. Forget the custom enclosure and wiring. Plus Randy's tone came more from his guitar, amp and hands.

If you still must have it...I wish you the best of luck. I don't think anyone in history has an exact clone.

Ammalato,you are right that it's an intricate science and I've been at this stuff for years,yes while Randy's pedalboard maybe not be up to todays standards as far as switching goes,the effects in themselves most likely sounded top notch and better than most copies or clones,granded while one can study sites about how to make clones of pedals,many parts aren't made the same as they were 30 years ago and the end result may not come out sounding exactly as how Randy's did and yes while Randy's tone came more from his guitar,amp and hands, while that is true he always wanted his equipment sounding just right and a tone that sounds great or the way you like it inspires one to want to play.as far as an exact clone I don't think anyone has one but If I were asked to look at it I would be able to dupicate it in the tone of the pedals and chances are that Randy's pedalboard probably doesn't work very well after 28 years of not being used and the caps are either dried up or close to it but if anyone could bring that baby back to life I know I could and yes I am seriously just dreaming of even beginning to look at it muchless plug into it-LOL.Regards,Kevin

[krandall]

i thot he had a thomas organ wah not a vox v846?

From what I can tell by looking at Randy's wah,it appears to possibly be an early 70's Crybaby wah made by the Thomas Organ Company,The top of the early 70's Crybaby pedals were also painted black hammerite like the main housing and said Crybaby in white letters on the front of the housing and just about virtually all of them featured the TDK inductor which was a red square box that said TDK 103 on it and these wah's sounded great but were noisy sometimes and the in and out jacks were't very good,now on the Vox V846,this wah features the chrome plated top while the housing was painted black hammerite and said VOX in white letters on the front of the housing and many of them used a brown inductor that was shaped like a stack of dimes(hense the name stack of dimes) this wah came out in the lat 60's and one can see Jimi Hendrix using this model from 69-70 and like at the Isle of Wright festival on Aug 30th 1970. Randy's wah again appears to be possibly an early 70's Thomas organ Crybaby model,can anyone post pics of Randy's wah like the front of it.Regards.Kevin

[TheMrAxeman]

are there any other close up pics of his pedalboard

[Cryptic Night]

Not any that are known. The pedalboard is probably one of the least photographed objects in a guitarist's arsenal.

[matt21]

are there any other close up pics of his pedalboard

Halo (Chris) over at .tk once answered when I asked, said that he has picture(s) of the chip pan but can't realease them due to legal issues until the documentary comes out. I believe that's what he told me. I'd love to see those shots, but understand where he's coming from.

[TheMrAxeman]

where did this pic come from then?

[matt21]

where did this pic come from then?

I believe this one came from a Guitar World magazine, or something along the lines of that. Probably supplied by the Rhoads family