Jackson and rhoads family announce true Concorde replica..

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NoQuattro wrote:I'm still waiting on his Les Paul to get the treatment from the Custom Shop. Not that I'll buy one, but I would love to play one.
I am a little cynical with the marketing of Gibson USA and the custom shop division of Gibson. Cynical, not because I doubt their good quality; but because I think the 'cookie cutter' techniques used to build the instrument and also the team of people that build them, don't ethically warrant them to be called 'hand made'.

I don't know, maybe I have been spoiled as a classical guitarist. If you buy a hand made classical guitar, it is made by usually one man. Each instrument he builds has loads of love and care put into it; as a result each instrument is very different.

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Cpt Matt Sparrow wrote:
NoQuattro wrote:I'm still waiting on his Les Paul to get the treatment from the Custom Shop. Not that I'll buy one, but I would love to play one.
I am a little cynical with the marketing of Gibson USA and the custom shop division of Gibson. Cynical, not because I doubt their good quality; but because I think the 'cookie cutter' techniques used to build the instrument and also the team of people that build them, don't ethically warrant them to be called 'hand made'.

I don't know, maybe I have been spoiled as a classical guitarist. If you buy a hand made classical guitar, it is made by usually one man. Each instrument he builds has loads of love and care put into it; as a result each instrument is very different.

Matt

For the sake of fast production and quality control most of the instrument is cut and shaped by CNC for the majority . Some shaping of the neck profile , body /neck assembly , fretting , binding , electronics , painting and buffing , set-up ( CS ) , ageing or relicing , are done by hand . This also applies to Gibsons non - CS line also except for set-up is now done on a plek machine ... it's argued that the Plek is crap and that a set-up needs human hands , eyes and know -how to have it set-up great ( guitar tech's ) ... while others think it does a great job at mass setting up in a production enviroment ( companies ) .. either way an instrument should be set-up to suit your own likes anyways .. but I digress .

Matt you will find that the Classical guitars you own are "hand made " becuase the luthier that builds them probably only makes a few instruments a year and has time to do so , you will find that the Asian manufacturers will use both ways of building using hands and machines as ..like Gibson they have production schedules to meet and a budget for the cost of the instrument to keep as low as possible . Most folks equate mass production as low quality .. maybe 10 - 15 -20 years ago that was the case .. these days makers are smarter and machinery is better and while the term you use "cookie cutter " does somewhat apply , the majority of players customise thier own guitars to personalise them anyhow.

I have played and seen absolute pieces of hand made crap , where the tolerances where bad , the fret ends were poor , the paint job was terrible etc etc and I have seen the same from cheaper mass production and also vice-versa .. so at the end of the day .. you makes your choice and you pays your money . :-)
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A replica of Randy's Les Paul would be rather simple since it was a stock instrument with different colored knobs than they use today. Then they'd need a different switch cover and truss cover... not too difficult.
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Cpt Matt Sparrow wrote:
NoQuattro wrote:I'm still waiting on his Les Paul to get the treatment from the Custom Shop. Not that I'll buy one, but I would love to play one.

I don't know, maybe I have been spoiled as a classical guitarist. If you buy a hand made classical guitar, it is made by usually one man. Each instrument he builds has loads of love and care put into it; as a result each instrument is very different.

Matt
I totally agree with you Matt for alot of different reasons....

In high school I worked for a year to buy a les paul studio that had an uneven fretboard paintjob; complained to every place I could and they all said it was within quality standards of Gibson. That pissed me off hardcore because no other instrument maker would do something like that and dont give me that bullshit that the studio is an entry level instrument, the studio line is an affordable custom minus the binding and blocks same price as an SG.

When I started studying classical I got a handmade nylon that was so unbelievably nice yet about the same price as my les paul. started rethinking the brainwashing we are all inevitably born with in terms of guitar (Fender and Gibson are king.... best..)

Fast forward to today; got a G&L custom shop guitar made and it's fit and finish (as well as intonation) are on a different level than gibson all together.

I'll never buy another Gibson again unless it's a vintage cream LPC, as far as I'm concerned same with fender however my prediction for Garni's announcement....

drumroll please......

Fender owns Jackson, Jackson just collaborated with the Rhoads family for the Concorde replica; with good reception and a high enough bid, my belief is that a production PDV is on it's way or maybe the concorde will become a mass produced body style as well?
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Count me as one of the few that thinks this thing is WAY overpriced.. I understand how special it is.. And I understand that Clapton guitars go for 25000.. But at the end of the day that Clapton guitar is still just an american strat with his name on it.. I understand that the relicing involved on this guitar is quite time consuming, but I dont think its 13000 worth.. I guess if Randy woulda been born January 6th it would have only cost 1,619.56 lol.. Wonder if they might do a lower level of this one?? I know they did one in the past, but maybe now this one will be accurate with the blue headstock and pinstripes?? Gold hardware, no relicing? Maybe sell it for 1,219.56 .. Still Im glad hes getting the attention he deserves..


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Right, beautiful guitar and Randy was the most special but come on. The R & D is already been done since 1980! And yes, people will snatch them up quickly, but why isn't the inventions' (RRJackson) standard being followed? Why can't I get a QUALITY RR Jackson with a REAL Floyd, Duncans and made in the USA for a reasonable price? Instead we have a zillion copies and from here or there of varying quality which does not honor Randy in my opinion. I'm not asking for a replica or limited edition just some off-the-shelf-and-get-on-with-my-studies and rock out. It could of been $1,956 and still honored Randy. Who is going to play a $12,000 guitar? It's a f'ning electric guitar! One of those guitars will not end up in any hands of a "kid" that I know of. They will have to change the world with another...

P.S. - Anyone heard anything about the Doc? I'm jonesin' for some Randy.
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