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Harry wrote:
NicDots wrote:This is getting really sad.
Can't people see that this is just the internet and there's no reason to get sand in their vaginas over things such as these? Jimminy Christmas.
Touché
Thing is with this 'Real World Vs Internet' thing people don't have to answer and they have to realise that this is all fun, so many start to think this is all important and then spend time offended.

It is all very silly.

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Trigger wrote:
Thing is with this 'Real World Vs Internet' thing people don't have to answer and they have to realise that this is all fun, so many start to think this is all important and then spend time offended.

It is all very silly.

Ian
Is it silly? Is it fun? Has anyone been attacking you and your personal beliefs for months? How would you react to personal attacks in public? The internet is the real world now. The only way any of you know me is through the Internet.

Do you remember why Ultimate Rhoads was created in the first place? Because www.randyrhoads.tk members and administrators were attacking members and banning people. This whole board came into being because of personal attacks.

Nicole, do you remember when Dottie bailed on .tk because she got to the point where 'Randy Rhoads' brought all the negative feelings associated with a message board rather than the joy of a great musician playing great music? Do you remember the SOTD site and how offended we would get by cyberspace comments?

The rift with .tk took time to heal, but it did. And it took many members here years to 'forgive and forget'.

Hateful, negative attacks wouldn't be tolerated by any of you face to face, so why tolerate them online? Maybe Obama cannot change the world, but each of us can do our part by not tolerating the negativity and the hate.
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Thanks for the wake-up call, Paul.
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Paul Wolfe wrote:
Nicole, do you remember when Dottie bailed on .tk because she got to the point where 'Randy Rhoads' brought all the negative feelings associated with a message board rather than the joy of a great musician playing great music? Do you remember the SOTD site and how offended we would get by cyberspace comments?
Yes, but that was a long time ago. People on the internet that attack others don't even know that person. I don't know, but nowadays, it is easier for me to disassociate haters on the internet and my feelings. They don't know me, I don't know them. And since it's the internet, people feel they can be meaner than they really are cause they aren't looking at someone in the face. I don't take it seriously anymore.
And from what I understand, the latest squabble here on UR had nothing to do with RR.
Paul you know I respect and like you very much and you are someone who's been there to talk to for a long time...and I do hope you stick around. Not everyone on a messageboard is going to get along, but I hope you can ignore those people and just hang out with the ones who you think are cool.
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Paul Wolfe wrote:Has anyone been attacking you and your personal beliefs for months?
Come on Paul, you started religion issues a lot of times yourself here!
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The Flying Dutchman wrote:
Paul Wolfe wrote:Has anyone been attacking you and your personal beliefs for months?
Come on Paul, you started religion issues a lot of times yourself here!
No sir, I responded to questions about my beliefs with statements about my beliefs.
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Paul Wolfe wrote:
The Flying Dutchman wrote:
Paul Wolfe wrote:Has anyone been attacking you and your personal beliefs for months?
Come on Paul, you started religion issues a lot of times yourself here!
No sir, I responded to questions about my beliefs with statements about my beliefs.
Then it's probably just my imagination.....

Anyway when there are discussions about religion between believers and non/less-believers then there is a great risk that members from both parties feel offended somehow...... That's why on a lot of forums topics about religion are forbidden. That's the only way (imo) to avoid people getting offended. Maybe we can do a poll to see what the members here want? Religion topics allowed or not?
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I agree, Patrick. I think that when people air their religious views, they need to be able to understand that some people will come down on them for it.
I personally don't mind the religious discussions. I know when I get riled up, I just don't look at the thread any more and go on my merry way.
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I doesn't bother me either way.

But back to the topic......

Think maybe he'll be here for our annual snowball fight? And Paul, would you like to join in? It could be theraputic.
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I feel that if members go into a faith thread they know they risk becoming offended! How can a member take offence when they know what content the topic is likely to hold in the future? Just because a statement might bring focus on an individuals beliefs does not mean that it is a form of attack but it does mean that a third party might wish to develop ideas and philisophical positions and state them within the debate?

This basic tenant confuses me when all concerned in the debate are intelligent individuals. I see no room for offence.
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The Flying Dutchman wrote:
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The Flying Dutchman wrote: Come on Paul, you started religion issues a lot of times yourself here!
No sir, I responded to questions about my beliefs with statements about my beliefs.
Then it's probably just my imagination.....

Anyway when there are discussions about religion between believers and non/less-believers then there is a great risk that members from both parties feel offended somehow...... That's why on a lot of forums topics about religion are forbidden.
And, in my opinion, this is where moderators should moderate the discussion. When the thread is asking for discussion of beliefs and why people believe what they do, there is no wrong answer. Everyone believes what they do for their own reason. When someone is told they are 'wrong' or 'foolish' or worse for their beliefs, that is where the fight begins. A moderator could (should) steer the conversation back to civility.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but just because you have the freedom to say something doesn't mean you should.

But, whatever. You all know my religious beliefs and I will never hide from anyone. However, since civility always goes out the window on this site and moderators have thus far refused to get involved, I will simply not participate in religious discussions here.

Debate all you want and have a nice day.
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Paul Wolfe wrote:
The Flying Dutchman wrote:
Paul Wolfe wrote: No sir, I responded to questions about my beliefs with statements about my beliefs.
Then it's probably just my imagination.....

Anyway when there are discussions about religion between believers and non/less-believers then there is a great risk that members from both parties feel offended somehow...... That's why on a lot of forums topics about religion are forbidden.
And, in my opinion, this is where moderators should moderate the discussion. When the thread is asking for discussion of beliefs and why people believe what they do, there is no wrong answer. Everyone believes what they do for their own reason. When someone is told they are 'wrong' or 'foolish' or worse for their beliefs, that is where the fight begins. A moderator could (should) steer the conversation back to civility.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but just because you have the freedom to say something doesn't mean you should.

But, whatever. You all know my religious beliefs and I will never hide from anyone. However, since civility always goes out the window on this site and moderators have thus far refused to get involved, I will simply not participate in religious discussions here.

Debate all you want and have a nice day.
It's impossible to moderate a difference in conviction between people when the difference alone (when spoken out) can be already offending to people ........ :idea:
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The Flying Dutchman wrote:It's impossible to moderate a difference in conviction between people when the difference alone (when spoken out) can be already offending to people ........ :idea:
It's not a difference of conviction that needs to be moderated, it's the negative comments putting people down for having a conviction that needs to be moderated.

Let me make this easy. If you ask everyone, "What is your favorite color?" And someone says, "Purple," then that is a legitimate opinion, correct? Now if someone says, "Why is purple your favorite color?" That is also a reasonable thing. However, if someone says, "It's people like you who like purple that give colors a bad name," or "You're an idiot, purple is for people who don't have the guts to like blue." Those would be negative comments intended to incite. At such a point a moderator could/should step in and steer the discussion back to the topic at hand and away from the negativity.
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:lol: @ how "religious debates" have been reduced to some kindergarten hair pulling fight over crayons.

sorry. but i mean... seriously?!?!? the debate ABOUT the debate has gotten to be more petty than the actual debate.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion even if their opinion offends YOU (the collective "you" not any ONE you, so don't get all offended.)

People bag on my beliefs and spirituality all the time... in real life... right in front of me... where i DON'T have the option to click the little "x" up in the right hand corner of life's screen.

Also, there's ALWAYS going to be one asshole in the bunch who is going to result to the "nanny nanny boo-boo you're a stupidhead" type juvenile responses. And not just on the internet either. You don't HAVE to get offended, you don't HAVE to respond. You CHOOSE to. I mean, REALLY is it that much skin off your ass that someone on the internet calls you a name or thinks you're stupid?

“Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.” ~Eleanor Roosevelt..... smart lady.

PS - no one really attacked anyone in the religion thread. it would seem that some people are merely offended BY the difference in opinion.
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Exactly!
Sometimes people should learn to use the 'ignore' button, because this board is indeed no kindergarten. :wink:
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