Rolling Stone Magazine Article From 1982

Post by **Trigger** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:03 am

Its not just that Guitarist sound so alike, I have heard people say that Band (A) sound so much like Band (D) and Band (D) were doing this 30 years ago!

Often it can come down to the person who produces the album, they can create a similar sound, which is nothing like the Band they are recording when that band plays live.

Listen to the Traveling Wilburys, ELO, George Harrison and even some ballards and demo's by Ozzy. They all have a very similar sound that I can hear in the later 'Beatles' albums.

I can see a link the Wilbury's and ELO had Lynn and the Wilbury's and the Beatles had Harrison. and Ozzy has always said that he is influenced by the Beatles. These things will contiue to rub off for years to come.

I think this how Guitarist begin to sound as if they all come from the same pot.

rice_pudding · Post by **rice_pudding** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:45 pm

The Flying Dutchman wrote:
rice_pudding wrote:everyone copied from someone to some degree IMO
Exactly, for instance everybody plays chords on a guitar nowadays, but someone was the first.
Imagine nobody was allowed to play chords anymore because of that very first person who did it first!

imagine if the same was applied to 12 bar blues

siro_angel · Post by **siro_angel** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:41 pm

rice_pudding wrote: imagine if the same was applied to 12 bar blues

Thered be no Status Quo thats for sure pmsl!

imagine a world without Status Quo... seems weird but interesting!

whoopiecat · Post by **whoopiecat** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:43 am

Six_Strung_Out · Post by **Six_Strung_Out** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:40 am

Exactly, for instance everybody plays chords on a guitar nowadays, but someone was the first. Wink

In United States of America copyright law---you cannot copyright a sequence of chords. You can prosecute ownership of melodys or words. So, get the best chord arraingments and find some new lyrical melodys and you are set.

I stand by my statement that Randy Rhoads has more memorable melodys than Van Halen. This is my subjective stand. Randy is the King of The Guitar Melody Mountain. Nonetheless---Jimi Hendrix found a few hooks as well---even though he sang them more than he played them on the guitar.

Sometimes Hendrix would sing and play his own melody at the same time. I am sure that Randy would have done the same if he had lived beyond 1982.

Ray

Paul Wolfe · Post by **Paul Wolfe** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:38 am

Do we really want to start this again?

Sarab · Post by **Sarab** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:48 am

Paul Wolfe wrote:Do we really want to start this again?

I dunno. Do you?

frank · Post by **frank** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:52 am

yes paul. we do.

Post by **Trigger** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:53 am

frank wrote:yes paul. we do.

Yeh! go for it, I wanna sit back and watch it progress

rice_pudding · Post by **rice_pudding** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:35 pm

Six_Strung_Out wrote: In United States of America copyright law---you cannot copyright a sequence of chords. You can prosecute ownership of melodys or words. So, get the best chord arraingments and find some new lyrical melodys and you are set.

thats me sorted then, music stardom here i come

ken01fan · Post by **ken01fan** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:47 am

I think had the writer ever heard Randy play live, it would have been a different story. Remember the first time you heard "I dont know" live

It was a whole new monster of a song live. That to me was what made Randy so special. You could really hear his talent on the live stuff.

therhoadlesstraveled · Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:02 am

Six_Strung_Out wrote:
bustling with chops but somewhat short on imagination
I too was taken aback by that comment. Randy Rhoads has more imagination than McDonalds has french fries.

All of EVH riffs are buttery random strands of spagetti. Randy Rhoads's solid musical runs are big fat and juicy meatballs.

Those people who write Rolling Stone articles must be eating sushie....

from what i hear, randy liked sushi...
and it's not bad either. good for cholesterol.

siro_angel · Post by **siro_angel** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:10 am

Six_Strung_Out wrote:
bustling with chops but somewhat short on imagination
I too was taken aback by that comment. Randy Rhoads has more imagination than McDonalds has french fries.

All of EVH riffs are buttery random strands of spagetti. Randy Rhoads's solid musical runs are big fat and juicy meatballs.

Those people who write Rolling Stone articles must be eating sushie....

Couldnt have said it better myself

I mean EVH admittedly good player but why does everyone think hes the best guitar player since hendrix? I notice every little solo he does has some form of tapping on it, tapping is a good technique but it gets boring when you've heard it on so many solos, look at Randy the only songs hes done tapping on was..

Laughing Gas Spotlight Solo
I Don't Know
Crazy Train
Flying High Again
Suicide Solution Spotlight Solo

He didnt flood the albums with tapping technique he tried many styles. Now how many songs does Eddie Van Halen us tapping? too many lol..

Simon

Paul Wolfe · Post by **Paul Wolfe** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:46 pm

siro_angel wrote:...why does everyone think hes the best guitar player since hendrix?

You would have to have been alive during the period between Hendrix and EVH to understand. Ed did things on record that no one had done before on record. Sure, others had tapped, but not with the excellent technique that Ed did on Eruption.

As stated previously, tapping is an EVH trademark, that's why it's used so much. If you listen closely to RR solos, there are some "Chuck Berry Riffs" that Randy used a lot, was that lack of imagination or because he liked the way it sounded?

Anyone not old enough to remember buying records in the '70's cannot fully understand Ed's importance. If you had heard Ed before all the other gunslingers from the '80's - years before - it'd make more sense.

No offense Frank, but those of you who knew Randy will understandably see him as more of a talent than Ed. If you'd spent the same amount of time with Ed, you'd probably see things differently.

I think the reason the comparison between Ed and Randy is so heated so often, is because Randy was humble and Ed was not so humble - or at least the interviews we've all read come across that way.

In the end it's not a competition, it's music. Some will prefer one over the other and those of us smart people will like both

siro_angel · Post by **siro_angel** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:57 pm

Hey Paul,

I know what ya saying but I dont need to be alive at the peirod to understand, granted im 18, but i know my hotdogs from my sausages,

Randy knew how to make utilise his theory knowlege of both classical, blues and rock, he also was experimental, check the creepy harmonics of Believer, granted EVH tapped because it was his signature, but he does like to make himself out to be better than he actually is, Randy's signature was the limitless imagination he posessed, he infused Chuck Berry riffs as you called them, modernised em, brought in classical influences, and became a premiere guitarist. If Randy was still alive today, I can (I dunno if anyone else can see it aswell) but he would be working not just classical but with ochrestras, he has the vibe that EVH does not have, EVH is good i'll admit that, but to me he tries too hard.

Sorry if i seemed duncy here but hey heres the fish on the plate, slap if thou wilt

Simon