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Why play games?

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:14 pm
by Paul Wolfe
Will this be deleted before any discussion can be made?

I posted a question and it was deleted without comment from the 'administration', again. For all the 'freedom of speech' crap espoused by this site, it has proven - again and again - that there truly is no freedom. Everyone can talk smack about someone's religious beliefs and be offensive, but no one can talk about other issues (negatively about tk?) if the MODs choose to eliminate the posts. True freedom would allow any kind of post, including flaming. I tend to avoid sites that are truly free in that sense, but the 'freedom' here is kind of a joke sometimes.

So, why play the games? Why not respond to my post with a PM? Why not simply quit deleting posts with no comment? The main reason we all left .tk for this place was because of the same sort of behavior being displayed by the MODs. Why pretend that isn't the case? It's a historical fact, it happened and should be acknowledged before the MODs here get to the point where they make it necessary to start yet another RR message board.

This makes sense to me:
Administrator etiquette is something that is really important on a forum. It makes or breaks the forum for a lot of people. Say you found two forum that were about the same, but on one the admin was a complete jerk and the other they were an all around nice person, whose forum would you be more willing to join.

Some don'ts include spamming your own board, playing favorites, flaming members. A lot of people don't like spammers. It's just a fact of life. So if you see an administrator purposely spamming their own board, how would you react. Sure, it's a great way to get that post count up, but at what cost? If the posts aren't worth reading, no one will stay.

Playing favorites and flaming members sort of go hand in hand. You need to remain neutral. Does that mean you can't befriend forum members? No, not even close. But say you have two members breaking the same rule. The first you've known for a while, you let them off with a 'verbal' warning. The other has been there for a while, but you hardly talk to them. To them you give them an actual profile warning. How do you think member number two is going to feel?

Flaming members is another thing you need to watch out for. No one will stay if they have to worry about what the admin will say. If I say this, will they come make fun of me, or just in general be mean to me? Why would you want someone to think that about you in the first place?

How people view your attitude is very important, especially considering this is the internet. All we have is your words, what you say. The way you act on your own forum is important, but also the way you act on others' forums. You need to be the same person at your forum as you are every where else. If someone meets you on another forum, and you seem to be a jerk, are they going to want to stick with you and follow you to your own forum? Not likely.

The administrator is the most important person on a forum. They set the tone, the pace. They tell members what kind of atmosphere can be expected during their stay there. The first person a lot of people look at before they even join a forum is the administrator. What kind of person are they? Do they make good posts? Do they help the activity of their forum instead of just complaining about the lack? What are they doing to help the members out?

Now that you've been given some things not to do, let's focus on some that should. First of all, welcome your new members. A welcome from the admin says 'Hey, I care that you are here, thanks for joining the community'. It can give some people a warm fuzzy.

Of course, be active on your forum. Don't leave it all on your members, or even your staff. If you want an active forum, make it active. Post new topics for discussion and reply to topics members have started. A little can go a long way. Even if you post a little, the members will see that and wonder what you wrote. If it is something response-worthy, they'll reply. You see the chain now?

In general, be nice to the community, which really isn't that hard. The golden rule works wonders, treat others as you wish to be treated. Understand people have lives, they have things that come up. No one can be online, all the time. If people don't post, they don't post.

Don't be overzealous in your punishments. Make the punishment fit the crime. There are one to many boards out there that will ban you for every little thing you do. There is a warning bar now for ProBoards, use it. But realize that sometimes you don't even have to go that far.

Realize that you are not always right. Just because you are the administrator of a forum, that doesn't mean you aren't human. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has an off day... or week sometimes. If you make a mistake, own up to it. Your members will think a lot more of you if you do.

Last but not least, put your heart into your board. Yeah, you may have a forum about yodeling in Scotland, but if that is what you are passionate about... go for it. Some one out there could love it just as much. You have to be the most dedicated member of your forum, because if you aren't no one else will be either.

This is a freakin' online message board. Why turn it into a clique where you have to be 'on the good side' of the MODs to keep posting your opinion? This place used to be so much fun. A place to come and talk. Now the place is almost a junior .tk sometimes. Randy's friends have walked away. Longtime Randy fans have walked away. Maybe it's time to consider why these events happen and take measures to stop them before UR is tk.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:22 pm
by The Flying Dutchman
Hi Paul,
First I do only speak for myself here right now. I understand your concerns and you definitely have a point there.
Something regarding Steve hasn't been handled in a descent way. IMO :oops: I'm the first one to admit and right now we are talking about it in our mod section.

Fact is that every time Steve comes here he starts his old fight against .tk / Peter / and basically anyone he can hit. And it only brings bad vibe here....... We think it's getting very old and serves no purpose other than creating bad vibe. We have freedom of speech here. We still have. Critism towards anything is allowed here. To .tk, UR, the film or whatever. But with Steve it's a little different, he doesn't know when to stop....... He already picked up his personal fight again. In a more polite way, but still.....
We are talking about giving him a last final chance here, I like to give him that final chance, after all he is huge Randy fan and I think we need to give him a final chance, but I'm not the only mod here. This is only my opinion and I'm not gonna say that my opinion is holy. I want to thank you for your concerns, you have a point, we need to improve some things here, we are talking about things right now.

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:01 am
by Paul Wolfe
Thank you, I respect your position on this issue and will wait to see/hear/read how things transpire.

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:04 pm
by The Flying Dutchman
Okido! 8)

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:08 pm
by demon
that thread is gone again

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:09 pm
by The Flying Dutchman
demon wrote:that thread is gone again
Yes it is! 8)

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:00 pm
by demon
forever?

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:40 am
by skezza
do you feel it has any real place Demon? If TK have problems in the future, a new thread can be opened. That thread didn't represent the feelings of many of UR's members, however UR was judged as a board because of that thread. A whole community of people were pretty much grouped into one opinion, which I didn't feel comfortable with. I am sure TK will be fine from now on, but if it does have problems in the future, you can be the first to start a new one ;)

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:46 am
by demon
no. i dont really care. i was just wondering. i actually thought it should have been deleated.

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:48 am
by skezza
i was not attacking you. It was just that the general consensus seemed to be condemning of UR over that one thread, which is so unfair. We have 100's of members who didn't take part :) Rock On! Like I said, if TK have any problems, a thread should be made here, as it allows people to keep track of whats going on.

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:33 pm
by randys roadie
I’m with you on this skezza all these tk threads project negativity on ultimate rhoads even if the content is supporting tk. From what I have seen in the past they can get hijacked to lower the good standing of this place! When something needs saying say it! but 20 pages of not much just looks like 20 pages of gloating if you dont bother reading them.

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:56 pm
by Cpt Matt Sparrow
Unfortunately there is so much bad blood between the two sites, the worst always seems to be thought of when the 'other site' on each respective site is mentioned.

Matt

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:44 pm
by whoopiecat
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:45 pm
by randys roadie
Whoopiecat matthew

You are both on the money with your last posts. I see these posts and get the distinct feeling that some kid with a drudge or agenda thinks its cool act stupid! Im not the smartest guy in the world but you cant miss the intention they have. My heart sinks for two reasons 1, the game they play is so transparent 2, they only bring shame on themselves and peoples ass they are kissing. I hope they realize how stupid they look, I can see real progress here and signs that ultimate rhoads is not a few angry banned guys bitching tk, and is becoming the place to go and find quality information and well thought-out conversations.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:10 am
by demon
both sites are great. lets leave it at that