Health Insurance Bill

[Trigger]

I do not recall ever saying or hearing anyone say that this was "impossible", only that it needed to be done right and since when does an honest debate on an important issue make a nation "seem weak and impotent". Probably time for me to take the high road on this one.

My remarks were an observation (as I said) from far away with regard to seeing the pro run up against the anti in this subject, it seems a very thick ideological wall lies between the ideal and creating 'Universal health care', I think much of the 'Impossible' comes from those who suggest that the tax burden will be to great when the evidence from the countries who have it proves to be very different. The suggestion that it makes the US seem impotent on the issue is not an insult more perhaps to do with seeing a great nation flounder on a basic principle like protecting the health of its citizens.
After all, this is a polite exchange and what I said was good humored and honest and seems to me to represent the greater battle that the US is going through on this subject right now.
If everyone who feels slighted by things similar to those I said above bow out of the actual debate won't your country maintain the status quo instead of achieving the best possible deal?

[McLowery]

All I know is, if the US can stick it to the taxpayers and pay for both of these wars and all the private contracts in both places, it sure as fuck should be able to pay for every single US citizen's health care with flying colors. The defense budget is almost 900 billion dollars! Just a 15 percent cut in defense spending to allocate those funds for other needs would take care of health care, education and the crumbling infrastructure. This money is NOT government money until congress gets their greedy filthy hands on it, its YOUR money! Make them spend it for the benefit of all not on death, mayhem and their own 5 star health plans!

[McLowery]

I disagree.Republicans all stick to the party line.They differ very litlle on view points.Ditto for democrats.This is because they are all paid off by the same lobbyists.The p;oitician may change but the lobbyist doesnt.
Max baucus got paid 4 million from hmo lobbyists and he s chosen to lead a committee on health care reform-you have got to be fuckin kiddin me right?
The best healthcare reform plan would be the one that the middlemen hate the most(hmo insurance) and serves them worst.I would love to see them driven out of business.I never understood why my life is a commodity for wall st profits.Its immoral at best.

Americans need to get off the idea that there are actually two parties with separate agendas. There is only one party in the majority and they all give allegence to their corporate masters. The broadcast display of Republicans and Democrats is just a god damn show for the public. Like pro wrestling! Just like it in fact! These bottom feeders have no loyalty to their constituents! Only to the corporations that put cash in their campaign coffers.

[tedeeoo]

I do not recall ever saying or hearing anyone say that this was "impossible", only that it needed to be done right and since when does an honest debate on an important issue make a nation "seem weak and impotent". Probably time for me to take the high road on this one.

My remarks were an observation (as I said) from far away with regard to seeing the pro run up against the anti in this subject, it seems a very thick ideological wall lies between the ideal and creating 'Universal health care', I think much of the 'Impossible' comes from those who suggest that the tax burden will be to great when the evidence from the countries who have it proves to be very different. The suggestion that it makes the US seem impotent on the issue is not an insult more perhaps to do with seeing a great nation flounder on a basic principle like protecting the health of its citizens.
After all, this is a polite exchange and what I said was good humored and honest and seems to me to represent the greater battle that the US is going through on this subject right now.
If everyone who feels slighted by things similar to those I said above bow out of the actual debate won't your country maintain the status quo instead of achieving the best possible deal?

Only bowing out of the debate on this site my friend, if I took your comments the wrong way please accept my apology.

[Paul Wolfe]

Like pro wrestling! Just like it in fact!

'cept without the steel chairs to the head and scantily clad women... oh wait, they do have the women!

[tedeeoo]

Like pro wrestling! Just like it in fact!

'cept without the steel chairs to the head and scantily clad women... oh wait, they do have the women!

LMAO!!!

[Trigger]

You are OK Ted,
I love politics and if I say something that sounds spikey it is never personel, I have been debating and participating in politics for many years and my closest friends are from the opposite political side to me, so for me politics never becomes personel.
We had political threads a while ago and they got derailed by Trolls and faded out.
Since then we have removed the Trolls and treat them very differently when they show up so I think these threads will be more informative and friendly.

[oth]

All I know is, if the US can stick it to the taxpayers and pay for both of these wars and all the private contracts in both places, it sure as fuck should be able to pay for every single US citizen's health care with flying colors. The defense budget is almost 900 billion dollars! Just a 15 percent cut in defense spending to allocate those funds for other needs would take care of health care, education and the crumbling infrastructure. This money is NOT government money until congress gets their greedy filthy hands on it, its YOUR money! Make them spend it for the benefit of all not on death, mayhem and their own 5 star health plans!

BINGO!

I would think that spending the same amount on a healthcare system would benefit us a hella lot more than these 2 colossal policy disasters.

[McLowery]

Like pro wrestling! Just like it in fact!

'cept without the steel chairs to the head and scantily clad women... oh wait, they do have the women!

I'd love to see a brawl break out on C-Span someday! LOL That would be sweet, at least you'd know whoever was brawling had some passion for their ideals!

[NicDots]

Americans need to get off the idea that there are actually two parties with separate agendas. There is only one party in the majority and they all give allegence to their corporate masters. The broadcast display of Republicans and Democrats is just a god damn show for the public. Like pro wrestling! Just like it in fact! These bottom feeders have no loyalty to their constituents! Only to the corporations that put cash in their campaign coffers.

Well said.

[RR-ElectricAngel]

With the death of Ted Kennedy and a Republican winning his seat the Health Insurance bill might be in a permanent state of limbo. I wouldn't want a bill that "makes" me get health insurance but I wouldn't want to live in the dark ages forever either. The battle has begun for our chance to make great changes in the way we take care of ourselves for future generations. I just hope the good side (however you define it) wins this time...

[RR-ElectricAngel]

O.K. I'll admit it I am surprised, no SHOCKED that the Health Care Bill passed in the House of Representatives yesterday. Tomorrow the Senate has their say. Hopefully, this will provide some sort of framework for future generations to uphold and modify. No it's not perfect but it is a start. America needed to start somewhere in providing health care for it's citizens. I am glad we are finally going to face this challenge...

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

Wow this is quite historic news. I know many do not want it to work in your country but it will be interesting over the years to see how this will develop.

Things are changing in the US BIG TIME!

Matt

[Trigger]

Fantastic news indeed for the poor and tired, EA this is a begining and over the coming years if it works out like the Euro' systems those who feared it and gathered to oppose it, might come to realise like those who did here, they had nothing to fear.

This was a great leap forwards.

[cableguyxx]

Fantastic news indeed for the poor and tired

Free housing, free food, free cell phones and now free health care. What a wonderful place Lets all hold hands and sing a chorus of John Lennon's "Imagine".

They've said it will save billions. What a complete crock of shit. Government programs are well known for being extremely underestimated in initial cost projections. "In 1966 the Democrats told us that Medicare would cost us $9 billion a year by 1990. What was the actual tab? Try $110 billion a year." Dumping 16 million people into Medicade, an already poorly run and expensive system accompanied by long waits and poor service should be great! It's pretty well known that people that already have health insurance will continue to see their premiums increase, regardless of the fairy tales the politicians are spewing. It makes no sense to think they are going to add that many people into the system and not have it cost more. The states and doctors are screwed as they are responsible for these medicade payments, which the federal government is infamous for underpaying. States will have to cut other services to make up the difference, so already tight budgets will only get worse. Look for deeper education cuts to pay for this at the minimum.

This was a great leap forwards

into further debt. I think most US citizens would agree that there was a need for some sort of reform. There are some good ideas in the bill, but at what price? I'd like a nicer stuff too, but if I can't afford it, I can't have it. The government doesn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. Just raise taxes. If the government would crack down on fraud and wasteful spending I would be excited about this, but they won't. They continue to spend money they do not have, be it on the wars, bailouts or entitlement programs and continue to put it on the backs of the people.