Help me understand

[frank]

Did you even read my post? There are no flaws in my beliefs, but I am open to discussion of the subject. Where is that narrow?

Because I have faith and complete confidence in what I believe you judge me?

You are narrowminded because you fail
to see that everything has flaws.

Reading the bible? Even Mötley Crües autobiography
was better and atleast there's an ounce of truth to it.

ahhh the conversation continues. my turn stiltz. please elaborate. i'm ready.

[The Flying Dutchman]

But the statement was that Christianity has flaws

But Christianity is based on the bible (a book) right?
One of the things I just can't get is that some (not all) of those christians are against abortion but are for the death penalty.
Now please explain that to me.......

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My point is how can you be sure that there is a god?
My observation is that for most people (also myself) it's hard to accept that there is maybe no reason why we are here.......
Why should there be a reason? Why do we need to think that everything has a reason? It's maybe too much for us to accept. If we live in a pulsonic universe, what's the reason to start everythng over again and again?
Of course it's nice to believe that there is someone up there who cares for us all. And if people believe in that and this is helpful in their lives then I think it's great!
But don't get me wrong, I hope there is someone up there who cares about us! But I can't be sure unfortuately. BUT my belief is that IF there is a god then there is one for everyone, whether they believe in it or not. Eventually we will all find out one day. Oh and above doesn't mean I don't respect life, I am not against God but I only question things.

For the believers among us, there will be always room for god because questions will always remain no matter how sience will improve.

PEACE!

[siro_angel]

Christianity and The Bible has the following flaws...

In the King James Bible there was a law introduced "Thou shalt not allow a witch to live" YET! in the commandments there was a certian one saying "Thou shall not kill"??? excuse me but thats very contradictary.

Adam and Eve were supposedly the first humans on earth, now if that was the case, arent we all inbreds?

In the Vatican they have so many riches and preech on about giving to the poor.. yet! if you go outside the gates there are poor people dying and are poor.

Bloodshed is what got christianity to its status now! They slaughtered like a mass genocide of women, thinking that they were a "witch" just cos they had birth defects or anything as small as a wart on them and had practiced in herbs, excuse me but if you seen Romeo and Juliet you will know that Friar Lawence practiced in herbs yet did they kill him for witchcraft? No! and dont forget the fact that wiccans have beliefs that women were if not equal with us but god like too! but christianity does not allow some women to be equal.

Gay marrages!! What is wrong with marrying a gay couple, yeah we have civil partnerships now but whats wrong with a real marrage like us straights have?! ya see it took so long to even psuede the church to allow this, too long in my eyes.

Missionaries! They go out to countries who are quite happy with their own religions but not in the eyes of a missionary and they start teaching em the works of a book called "The Bible" leave em alone thats what i say, if they want to put discs in their lips leave em be! Its like again like i said a mass genocide, but this time its a genocide of religion and faith, in order to be the top! Yet! if you look at christianity in depth they share the exact same holidays as Wiccans do, but under different names and the bible characters show up.

Oh and if god created man in his image doesnt that mean he has a bad side to?

Now all this is what I see, if I am wrong I am sorry.

Simon

[Paul Wolfe]

But the statement was that Christianity has flaws

But Christianity is based on the bible (a book) right?
One of the things I just can't get is that some (not all) of those christians are against abortion but are for the death penalty.
Now please explain that to me.......

-------------------other thing ----------------------------------------------

My point is how can you be sure that there is a god?
My observation is that for most people (also myself) it's hard to accept that there is maybe no reason why we are here.......
Why should there be a reason? Why do we need to think that everything has a reason? It's maybe too much for us to accept. If we live in a pulsonic universe, what's the reason to start everythng over again and again?
Of course it's nice to believe that there is someone up there who cares for us all. And if people believe in that and this is helpful in their lives then I think it's great!
But don't get me wrong, I hope there is someone up there who cares about us! But I can't be sure unfortuately. BUT my belief is that IF there is a god then there is one for everyone, whether they believe in it or not. Eventually we will all find out one day. Oh and above doesn't mean I don't respect life, I am not against God but I only question things.

For the believers among us, there will be always room for god because questions will always remain no matter how sience will improve.

PEACE!

Christianity is based on the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died on a cross to pay for the sins of all of us so that we may have eternal life in heaven. You can be a Christian without ever seeing a Bible.

Those "Christian" who are agains abortin and for capital punishment are hippocrates, plain and simple. Every religion has those.

The way to be sure there is a God is to look inside your heart, pray for wisdom and patiently wait for Him to speak to you. When He does, you will know.

[Paul Wolfe]

Christianity and The Bible has the following flaws...

In the King James Bible there was a law introduced "Thou shalt not allow a witch to live" YET! in the commandments there was a certian one saying "Thou shall not kill"??? excuse me but thats very contradictary.

Could you quote chapter and verse so it can be verified? In addition, you have to know your history, the King James version was the "official" Bible authorized by the King, the greed and ego inherent in a monarchy does lead the possibility that a text would be tailored to that specific person's beliefs - which this particular version was. Try reading the New International Version of the Bible whihc was translated directly from the Hebrew and Greek texts.

Adam and Eve were supposedly the first humans on earth, now if that was the case, arent we all inbreds?

Actualy, the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the only two people created by God, it says that they were the first.

In the Vatican they have so many riches and preech on about giving to the poor.. yet! if you go outside the gates there are poor people dying and are poor.

Very true, but we are talking about Christianity, which is the following of the teachings of Christ. The Catholic church is the following of the teachings of Christ as interpreted by the Pope and the church leadership. It's an organization based on power, ego and greed - as are so many human organizations. The Bible has plenty of stories about such people, Jesus himself confronted them in the temple.

Bloodshed is what got christianity to its status now! They slaughtered like a mass genocide of women, thinking that they were a "witch" just cos they had birth defects or anything as small as a wart on them and had practiced in herbs, excuse me but if you seen Romeo and Juliet you will know that Friar Lawence practiced in herbs yet did they kill him for witchcraft? No! and dont forget the fact that wiccans have beliefs that women were if not equal with us but god like too! but christianity does not allow some women to be equal.

You really need to actually read a Bible, or at least go online and study the subject before attacking Christianity. Human Beings killed those women, just as the led crusades against the muslims, and condemned blacks to slavery. Human Beings are corrupt, fallible creatures who are tempted with greed and ego. God did not do the things you mention, Man did.

Gay marrages!! What is wrong with marrying a gay couple, yeah we have civil partnerships now but whats wrong with a real marrage like us straights have?! ya see it took so long to even psuede the church to allow this, too long in my eyes.

In your eyes...that is not a flaw in Christianity, it is a disagreement with your opinion. The Bible (the word of God as given to man) states that homosexuality is wrong and against the will of God. As such, most churches choose to follow the will of God on the subject. Again, God has given everyone the freedom of choice to choose their behavior.

The way to salvation - as preached by Christianity - is to believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and that He died for us to forgive our sins - gay people are forgiven as well.

This is another example of man making a decision and you condemning God for it.

Missionaries! They go out to countries who are quite happy with their own religions but not in the eyes of a missionary and they start teaching em the works of a book called "The Bible" leave em alone thats what i say, if they want to put discs in their lips leave em be! Its like again like i said a mass genocide, but this time its a genocide of religion and faith, in order to be the top! Yet! if you look at christianity in depth they share the exact same holidays as Wiccans do, but under different names and the bible characters show up.

Again, a difference in the missionaries opinion and your opinion. God has asked His followers to spread His word. The missionaries feel that God is so wonderful that they want everyone to know about Him.

Oh and if god created man in his image doesnt that mean he has a bad side to?

No it does not mean that at all. God created man in His image and man became corrupted by Satan.


All of these "flaws" are easily dealt with by simple education. You don't like those who condemn, say Wiccans, without researching and understanding them, yet you have done that with Christians.

Thanks for letting me tell my side of the issue.

[Paul Wolfe]

Dutch, if there is no "meaning" and we all just happened by accident, then it really cannot ever be unfair when someone dies in any way, it's just another thing that happens, right?

[Paul Wolfe]

One more thing, while it is on my mind. This site is based on our love and respect for Randy Rhoads. He was a member of a Lutheran church and raised in a Christian home. Out of respect for him and his family - especially since we now include Nick as a member, I ask that anyone who has differences of opinion on the subject of God, please don't be negative in your comments. An explanation of your opinion is all good.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Dutch, if there is no "meaning" and we all just happened by accident, then it really cannot ever be unfair when someone dies in any way, it's just another thing that happens, right?

Exactly, we can only speak of "bad luck" then..... But if someone else doesn't have that bad-luck we can still think it's unfair towards the other person who didn't have that bad luck. But you right, the word 'unfair' may suggest that someone up there made a decision...... Who knows?
To know is one thing, and to believe is another.

Rocky, I appreciate your answers and honesty!

[Paul Wolfe]

To know is one thing, and to believe is another.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

[Paul Wolfe]

This sums up my feelings about the "unfair" question:

James 1:2-4

It takes faith to believe that, especially when you are in the midst of trying times. But when it comes to knowing that God is real, following these words of James and having faith that God will answer your prayer will lead you to proof within your heart. I truly believe that.

Dutch, the Missionaries believe that the way to spread the word of God is to go out and preach it. I believe that my place is to answer the questions that people pose on the subjects to the best of my ability. The guys in Stryper believed that yellow and black spandex would do the trick!
(I have nothing but respect for what the guys in Stryper do, by the way)

[The Flying Dutchman]

Stryper, that's long ago but I do remember that band! Good band for sure.
If I remember correctly weren't they sued by a fan who got a concussion when he was hit by a bible during one of their concerts?
One band threw raw meat..... and another band threw bibles! The eighties were defintitely the days!

[Trigger]

I remember in the new testament St Paul mentioning stryper in his letters to the carinthians!

Im not mocking, I just love how stryper made it into this thread

Although strtyper feel that long ago to me!

[frank]

Why should there be a reason? Why do we need to think that everything has a reason? It's maybe too much for us to accept. If we live in a pulsonic universe, what's the reason to start everythng over again and again?

"The Unexamined Life is Not Worth Living" Socrates.

the fact that we can question and reason and argue the point leads me to believe that there is something inside of us that can't be satisfied with random existentialism. the study of biology (or any science) and how wonderfully everything is put together is an argument in itself that life is no accident.
look beyond the design and recognize the architect.

one thing though. i would like to make a distinction between organized religion and the scriptures. i see some difficulty in these posts regarding what mankind has done in the name of God. i'm with you on that one guys. leave it to people to muck up things.

the scriptures reveal Gods mind. there are no contradictions. "an eye for an eye" is Gods way of introducing justice to an unjust world. Christ fulfilled the Creators demand for justice and in the completion of that task "turn the other cheek" became finally attainable. we have the ability to walk with the One who made us. it's quite an incredible ride.

don't take my word for it. ask Him yourself. just be ready for the answer.

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[Sarab]

This sums up my feelings about the "unfair" question:


It takes faith to believe that, especially when you are in the midst of trying times. But when it comes to knowing that God is real, following these words of James and having faith that God will answer your prayer will lead you to proof within your heart. I truly believe that.

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Why is it then, sometimes, your prayers seem like they have been ignored?
But then again, He may have a better plan for your prayer. The outcome may not be to our liking. It's HIS decision. We may not like it, but we must live with it.
Why does He let people who are terminally ill suffer?
When are pets are very ill, we have the terrible decision of keeping the pets alive for our own greed, or putting the pet down to end the suffering.
Here, we "play" God, and are comforted by the words of "it was the humane thing to do." But are we comforted by that idea? What right do we have to do that? Granted, if our pets could speak, it would be different.
When our loved one's suffering does come to an end, the first thing we say, is at least they don't have to suffer from any more pain.
When others die quickly, we say at least they didn't suffer.
Who got it the "easiest"? Why should we suffer? Is it because His son suffered, so we are made to? That's makes no sense to me.
Power is in prayer, I believe that. I just feel that at times, I'm being ignored.

[frank]

This sums up my feelings about the "unfair" question:


It takes faith to believe that, especially when you are in the midst of trying times. But when it comes to knowing that God is real, following these words of James and having faith that God will answer your prayer will lead you to proof within your heart. I truly believe that.

[

Why is it then, sometimes, your prayers seem like they have been ignored?
But then again, He may have a better plan for your prayer. The outcome may not be to our liking. It's HIS decision. We may not like it, but we must live with it.
Why does He let people who are terminally ill suffer?
When are pets are very ill, we have the terrible decision of keeping the pets alive for our own greed, or putting the pet down to end the suffering.
Here, we "play" God, and are comforted by the words of "it was the humane thing to do." But are we comforted by that idea? What right do we have to do that? Granted, if our pets could speak, it would be different.
When our loved one's suffering does come to an end, the first thing we say, is at least they don't have to suffer from any more pain.
When others die quickly, we say at least they didn't suffer.
Who got it the "easiest"? Why should we suffer? Is it because His son suffered, so we are made to? That's makes no sense to me.
Power is in prayer, I believe that. I just feel that at times, I'm being ignored.

when do you pray? is it when you need things? believe me, i'm not picking on you but a relationship is built on conversation. i've spent some time the last five months learning about you through conversation and i believe i know you and i have become a friend (i hope) in the process. the bible says "pray without ceasing". to me that means engaging in conversation with Him throughout the day. a relationship has developed and He accompanies me throughout the day. i am not ignored.

why is there suffering? we are cursed to a hard life due to the decision made that one day in the garden. i'm not being glib. being reconciled to Him is the first step in understanding His mind. b.t.w., there are pleasures in this life too. why don't we question those things?