why didn't RANDY DIDN'T GO "FLOYD" ON THE PDV???

[thepolkadots]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe you posted that Crowley solo!!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That sounds NOTHING like Randys solo on After Hours or Tribute! I mean nothing! Dude, I was expecting you to at least play it somewhat average or even mediocre, BUT, that garbage you just posed of the crowley solo, if that's what you wanna call it is about the most horrible version I've ever heard of that!

It sounds like a Turkey being slaughtered or something, gobbledy gobbledy gobblledy, wiggitty wiggity wigitty, twiddly dididdly diddly, widdly widdly widlly weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

hahahahahahaha!

I'm serious, man, i'm not trying to talk trash to you or be a jerk to you or be mean to you or anything just telling you the truth man, you need ALOT of practice on that Crowley solo.

The guy in the link I posted was lightyears beyond what you did, and I guess talking to you is like talking to a brickwall if you really think Randy Chambers is better than that Takkie guy I posted the clip to. You must by Randy Chambers butt partner or sumtin, i don't know, all i know is you seriously sound nothing like Randy does on the Crowley solo. Even Randy Chambers does better than you, the little japan boy that was with Ozzy on Ellen is better than you, serioulsy you are the worst I've ever heard when it comes to your Crowley solo.

I didn't bother to check out your bark at the moon song as I don't like Jake E Lees playing at all.

[Solos]

Okay, your turn... Lets see dem mad skillzzz you've got...

[thepolkadots]

I can do better, hell, I write my own music & songs, I have two CDs of original music, anyone can copy Randy Rhoads, well not everyone, you just proved you are in need of serious guitar lessons. Real musicians compose original music, besides this topic is about why didn't Randy use a Floyd Rose trem. From which I replied probably because he hardly used the trem anyway. Then you tried to prove me wrong on that statement, in which you failed. Then you tried to show me your cover of the crowley solo, and I told you the truth, it sucks, but you can't handle the truth. So hey it sucks to be you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4o-QAUQs3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAtO-URs6g8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwt1ltZhTsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci1Y-tSaD-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwH6kc14SQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nR3DOWVVh4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7tMyWjGl68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk2iAJA1vI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HYusufZu44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpCVqo-T55A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3NihgBt3a8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j83srFxEXEk

[Solos]

Thanks for posting that Romeo, I was going to help you out by doing it for you. Your "music" and videos speak for themselves... Man you are terrible haha.

[thepolkadots]

To Solos: Coming from you that means, less than zero to me. You actually think Randy Chambers does a more accurate job at covering Randy Rhoads music than this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjwtkHkyyU
well that jus shows me you are a complete idiot, that guy smokes Randy Chambers, in fact I've never heard anyone in this forum or anywhere else copy Randy Rhoads better than that. That is really about as accurate as a person can get to Randy Rhoads without actually being Randy Rhoads. YOu are just jealous because he has more talent than you and your butt buddy Randy Chambers combined. And as far as I go, you will never be great like me, you will just continue to be nothing more than the amatuer hack that you are.

[blues_n_cues]

In my opinion, the reasons Randy didn't go the Floyd route on the Sandoval V are pretty simple: it wasn't patented until '79 which means it wasn't readily available when Randy's guitar was built.

I'm assuming that's a quote from Mr. Sandoval? There's your answer...

All this bickering about pulling up on a floating Floyd (rarely used prior to Vai who was also trying to distance himself from Ed) and blocking a Floyd (only done if you buy a guitar with a floating Floyd and don't want it to float) is just off the original topic - which is fine if that's where you want the discussion to go.[/quote]


yes it was a direct quote.
sorry i started a hornet's nest w/ this thread.
as far as live,recorded,or transcriptions go, he never used a trem on crazy train. there's too many videos proving it.

[Paul Wolfe]

...in fact I've never heard anyone in this forum or anywhere else copy Randy Rhoads better than that. That is really about as accurate as a person can get to Randy Rhoads without actually being Randy Rhoads.

HERE is a better version by Danny Gill AND HERE is Danny teaching you how to play it!

Remember, Randy was a teacher...

[Solos]

In my opinion, the reasons Randy didn't go the Floyd route on the Sandoval V are pretty simple: it wasn't patented until '79 which means it wasn't readily available when Randy's guitar was built.

I'm assuming that's a quote from Mr. Sandoval? There's your answer...

All this bickering about pulling up on a floating Floyd (rarely used prior to Vai who was also trying to distance himself from Ed) and blocking a Floyd (only done if you buy a guitar with a floating Floyd and don't want it to float) is just off the original topic - which is fine if that's where you want the discussion to go.

yes it was a direct quote.
sorry i started a hornet's nest w/ this thread.
as far as live,recorded,or transcriptions go, he never used a trem on crazy train. there's too many videos proving it.[/quote]

Well, if you can't hear the trem being used in at least those three spots I mentioned on the studio version of Crazy Train, I don't know what to tell you... I guess that's why they make tab books. Are those parts necessary to replicate the song? No, but that is irrelevant. The fact remains is that they are on there.

[Solos]

...in fact I've never heard anyone in this forum or anywhere else copy Randy Rhoads better than that. That is really about as accurate as a person can get to Randy Rhoads without actually being Randy Rhoads.

HERE is a better version by Danny Gill AND HERE is Danny teaching you how to play it!

Remember, Randy was a teacher...

Those licklibrary guys are great players! That series is well done and a very valuable resource. The performance is a bit stiff in the video you linked, which isn't surprising since it is meant to be instructional and not entertaining. Comparing that to a player who is onstage not only playing the material faithfully but being entertaining while doing it is like comparing apples to oranges. The two guys I mentioned knock it out of the park in terms of performance and accuracy. Danny Gill is sitting in a chair stiffly showing the licks. Could he do a better job? Sure, he probably could... I've just never seen it.

[blues_n_cues]

...in fact I've never heard anyone in this forum or anywhere else copy Randy Rhoads better than that. That is really about as accurate as a person can get to Randy Rhoads without actually being Randy Rhoads.

HERE is a better version by Danny Gill AND HERE is Danny teaching you how to play it!

Remember, Randy was a teacher...

Those licklibrary guys are great players! That series is well done and a very valuable resource. The performance is a bit stiff in the video you linked, which isn't surprising since it is meant to be instructional and not entertaining. Comparing that to a player who is onstage not only playing the material faithfully but being entertaining while doing it is like comparing apples to oranges. The two guys I mentioned knock it out of the park in terms of performance and accuracy. Danny Gill is sitting in a chair stiffly showing the licks. Could he do a better job? Sure, he probably could... I've just never seen it.

like i tell my kids- you can argue w/ a rock & still lose...

we have a lil' thing on a commercial fishing boat called - you do it my old time tested true or you die...
i don't give a damn about how you do it- yeah i play it w/ a trem on occassion too but the fact is.. Randy played & recorded crazy train on the LPask Ozzy-i did...- the original lick long before ozzy is even on the laughing gas live off of quiet riot-the randy rhoads years... believe what ya want but it is what it is...i stood in front of the man twice(from 3 feet away) & watched him play the setlist from the doam tour.
he used a trem on suicide(white concorde),over the mountain(ozzy couldn't hit a note),& believer.next,yer gonna tell us he never played acoustic guitar or slide....

[Solos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTsvwBkVdKw

Dude, there is trem usage at 1:10, 2:10, 2:49, 2:58, and 4:04... You can't hear that?! This the original studio version with Daisley and Kerslake... how much more proof do you need? I'm not disputing that Randy played this song live on his LP.

Also, Randy did NOT use the white Jackson on Suicide Solution... that guitar was only used for Believer, Over the Mountain, and Flying High Again (on the first tour at least)... It was tuned to Eb. He used his Polka Dot V for Suicide/spotlight solo/band jam. Just so you know I'm paying attention, he never played the acoustic live and the only time he played slide w/ozzy is the studio version of No Bone Movies. Live he just improvised some pentatonic/mixolydian stuff in A.

I'm not trying to imply that Randy was some sort of Eddie clone, but the FACT remains that he embraced the modern techniques of the day which included using his tremelo bar. My feeling is that HIS particular guitars did not stay in tune very well under trem abuse or he would've used it more. As it is, he was all over it during the spotlight solo.

I've been a Rhoads fan since late 82, so I'm not trolling... BUT I can hear MANY influences in Randy's playing... he wasn't TOTALLY original. Amazing talent yes, but he didn't invent high tech hard rock/classically influenced guitar. I can hear VH, Schenker, Moore, Uli Roth, and Blackmore at the very least, and I also feel that Bob Daisley played a huge role in creating those two classic Ozzy records. Does that diminish Randy's greatness? Absolutely not, but he wasn't born under a rock... I'm sure many influences were distilled to create the great player we look up to today.

[thepolkadots]

No one ever said Randy NEVER used the Trem bar, I am just saying he used it so little, he may as well have never used it, as it would have made very little diffrenece in his music, therefore the whole point of this thread was, why didn't Randy use a Floyd Rose, and common sense besides the obvisous being that Floyd Rose had just came out, was that Randy had no need for a heavy duty Flod Rose trem type of bar, If you hardly ever touch a trem bar then a standard fender type of trem bar is all you need, however if you are going to use a trem bar ALOT like Vai does then you need a trem bar with a locking nut. Randy didn't have to worry about tuning problems because of the trem bar he was using, because he HARDLY ever use it! You have to use one of those trem bars ALOT, doing dive bombs etc to get them to go out of tune! The reason Randy had tuning problems on that guitar was due to the poor quality of the neck construction. I've had lots of guitars with the same kind of vintage trem bars as Randys polka dot V, and I can play Randys whole set list and my guitar NEVER goes out of tune. There's not enough heavy usage of the bar to cause it in Randys songs. So why don't you go stick a trem bar up your as Solos since you are so obsessed with it, seems to me you have Trem bar envy, haha!

[thepolkadots]

You wanna see what REAL trem bar use is? Watch these, and in comparison you might as well say Randy never used one. He HARDLY used one, that's a FACT. I never said he NEVER used one, I said he HARDLY used one, there's a difference you idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_BXIGibJ7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdP9zLNuHuM

Now if Randy would have used the trem bar to this kind of extent his guitar woulda been way out of tune before he even finished the song.

Trem bars are really for losers anyways.

Vai & Van Halen are about the only two groups to ever do anything tasteful with them since Jimi Hendrix of course.

It's like are you trying to make love with your guitar or instead or you trying to whack your bar off?

[thepolkadots]

Plus Floyd Rose Bars make your guitar tone suck, compared to the vintage trems. guitars that have floyd roses have alot more wood carved out, less wood = less tone.

[thepolkadots]

Ask your buddy Randy Chambers about that, he will tell you the trem Randy uses sounds better than a Floyd Rose, he told me that in the past before himself. Randy would not have liked the Floyd Rose. Floyd Roses are a pain in the ass anyway because of the locking nut and fine tuners, I prefer vintage trems, no locking nut, that way if your guitar goes a little out of tune you can just readjust the tuning peg live as you keep playing like most players do. it's no big deal to do.