How would Randy react to the upcomming '80 shred era ?

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How would Randy react to the upcomming '80 shred era ?

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I always wondered how Randy would have reacted to the upcomming shred players like Yngwie in the early 80's ?

If you listen to some phrases Randy did, for instance in his spotlight solo, I got the impression that he was already capable to shred without maybe even realizing it? I think he already had the technical ability to shred. Listen also to some runs he did during the seminar, some of those runs were lightning fast! Almost shred speed.
I think he would have adopted some of that arpeggio ( Yngwie) stuff into his playing as well, like he did with some EVH techniques. Nothing wrong with that imo as long you use them in a musical way. (just adding a new element to your guitar vocabulary )
But I think he would use that arpeggio stuff with much more taste than most other players...... He wouldn't overplay I think and for sure would kept his identity on the guitar.

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I think that Randy was very easily capable of shredding. I don't really think that Randy would become a player like Yngwie though. Randy could do more than just play flash. I think that he would occasionally shred (like in a spotlight solo or something) but not incorporated it into his songs too much. Although I read that he did listen to a lot of Baroque music (like Malmsteen) and so may have gone farther into putting things like that into his music. I think that Randy would have thought of the players like he thought of Eddie Van Halen without taking them too seriously and thinking it was just flash to impress the kids and stuff. I really don't know though. He was very versatile and so was capable of playing almost any style in my opinion.
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I think Randy would have found alot of the 80's shred guys a bit one dimensional. In my opinion, Randy Rhoads was capable of shredding someone's face off if he so desired.....listen to the Montreal solo for example.....but he chose to play more in the context of a "song". His chord work was phenomenal in that his songs "went somewhere" and were so much more than just constant "diddle-ee dee-ing". That gets so old.....so fast. The whole "million notes a second" bit........yawn. Randy was more concerned...or seemed to be.....with playing, as I said, within the context of a song....being a real PART of a BAND, rather than standing on the outer edge of a stage doing the psuedo-virtuoso bit with a group of sidemen back in the shadows. Just my opinion.....
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he would have fallen somewhere between Joe Satriani and Yngwie.
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cableguyxx wrote:he would have fallen somewhere between Joe Satriani and Yngwie.
this guy ? ;)

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Furthermore I respect your argument but I have to admit it really
bugs me when people dismiss shredding or somewhere close to it
as less-to-none feeling just because it's faster than the average
guitarist can play.

I do agree on that Randy would've grown with the new elements
of rockmusic and mastered them as Yngwie almost had when he entered
the scene at age 18/19 :!:
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I agree Cableguy.....Speed can be a virtue when it is used in the proper context of a SONG. I guess I've just seen too many players over the years who think that the ONLY way to be effective is to play fast. Speed for speed's sake. To me, that approach just becomes cliche and corny. Speed is wonderful and effective as long as it is surrounded by a "structure" of SUBSTANCE.....and to many times...it's not. Randy Rhoads, in my opinion, was a master at combining the two. His tunes always had such a great dynamic.....a "personality" so to speak. Even within the confines of his limited body of work.....this combination was always evident.
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I recon Randy would have been sort of like Gary Moore, with structured songs and awesome guitar with occasional very fast parts.
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Xanadu wrote:His tunes always had such a great dynamic.....a "personality" so to speak. Even within the confines of his limited body of work.....this combination was always evident.
I guess that dynamic has something to do with the beat-section
as well.

Cableguy: listen to Malmsteens Hold on from Odyssey ;)

Speaking of feeling ... ever heard about Paganini ? :)
That's feeling and super fast too :!:
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I think Yngwie plays with a lot of feel. But often people forget it's his feel. :wink: He plays with a lot of fire, like his personality! So if people say he lakes feel, maybe those people just don't like his 'fire alike' personality?

But the difference with Randy and a lot of other players is that he really composed his solo's, he really cared about what solo would work best for the song. His solo's had a deeper thought unlike Yngwie's solos which are a lot of times improvised, still with a lot of feel but not with a deeper thought behind it like Randy did.

This difference is not only with the solos but also in Randy's rythym playing. A lot of times he had little fills / noises in there which were often worked out as well, as like his solos. Randy's playing was almost beyond perfection while still keeping that spontaneous / live feel to keep it fresh.
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Someone mentioned Gary Moore... IMO he is the most underated player.

Randy was the king of fills. In "You Can't Kill Rock & Roll", he throws a lot of fills in there.

Then on one of his live Paranoid bootleg shows (Minnesota I think), he's throws these harmonics in there from nowhere. Beautiful.
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Charvel65 wrote:Someone mentioned Gary Moore... IMO he is the most underated player.

Randy was the king of fills. In "You Can't Kill Rock & Roll", he throws a lot of fills in there.

Then on one of his live Paranoid bootleg shows (Minnesota I think), he's throws these harmonics in there from nowhere. Beautiful.
It was me, I also think that Brad Gillis is very underated as well. It's a shame because a lot of people would get a lot of enjoyment out of their music if they just gave it time. (I don't mean the stuff with Ozzy so much because I haven't heard that much, I mean Night Ranger).

I also really like Randy's fills more than everyone elses, the long bends are much better than any super fast sweeps in my opinion. There's more thought gone into them as well.
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Hi Ell

Have you downloaded the Brad show in our audio section?

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Think so, haven't listened to it all yet though, I will do soon however.
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Flying Dutchman wrote:I think Yngwie plays with a lot of feel. But often people forget it's his feel. :wink: He plays with a lot of fire, like his personality! So if people say he lakes feel, maybe those people just don't like his 'fire alike' personality?
That I can agree on :)

I've read too many music-and-guitar oriented forums where
people dismiss, let's say Yngwie, because he plays faster and
has better and more technique than their favorite guitarist :!:
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I think Randy would have been doing something very different by now, and metal would be very in the past for him :D
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