On Bob and Lee's input

[shred1]

Where did you hear that Randy wanted the original band to stay together?
From Bob?

Sharon claims in Guitar World (March 2006) that Randy was embarrassed by Bob and Lee's appearance.
I sense a nugget of truth there, as Randy was, undeniably image conscious. You can't deny that.
Her claim, I know, which brings me back to the point I have been trying to make all along.

We don't have all the details.

[Tito]

idk...if randy was so image conscious what the hell was he thinkin about ozzy!!!!!????ozzy was a bit fat in the ass with the double chin to match?

[shred1]

Ozzy was the reason there was a band. He is let off the hook in that regard.
No Ozzy, no record deal. No Blizzard.

[whoopiecat]

Hadn't Ozzy referred to them once in the past as "Cunts with beards."? Eventhough he sported one for the shoot on the back of the UK Blizzard release, and a bowl cut.
I also recall somewhere where Randy was considering skipping out on the band early on, and when Ozzy asked why, Randy's reply was:
"The band is geeks and you drink too much."
DuBrow had once remarked that Randy told people what they wanted to hear.

[rokket]

If image was the problem, why get that line up together in the first place? They could have dumped them and replaced them after the release of Blizzard, or after the UK tour. But then, if that had happened, who would have wrote Diary?, Ozzy and Randy? That line up is back working on album number two, then getting ready to tour the US......image doesn't sound like a real reason, more a way of having an excuse when ever asked why they were fired.

Beards can be shaved off, hair can be grown, weight can be lost........except for Randy, they were all about the same age. If you think about it, if anything, Bob and Lee (more so Bob) was just probably used to help kick start Ozzy's solo career in terms of songs, Randy's guitar playing wasn't going to do it on its own. Sharon probably had a plan from the start in that regard.

Lot's of people say "more fool Bob" for getting involved in the first place. And yeah, he probably thinks that at times as well, he was warned off the project by everyone he knew in the industry. But, against his better judgement, he still did it......why? Well up until he jammed with Randy, I doubt he'd made up his mind one way or the other entirely, but he would have realised something very quickly after jamming a couple of times.

1- He knew he could write decent lyrics.......2- He would have known straight away that Randy had bulk talent and a unique style. 3- If they could write the songs, Ozzy could sing them and had the Sabbath fame to bring the crowds.

That, even against your better judgement, would be very hard to walk away from at that point. More positives than negatives. The only thing they could not have seen coming at the time, was Sharon's ever increasing control of Ozzy and the band.

Image is a poor excuse. Look at the classic "Rainbow" line up....Blackmore, Dio, Daisley and Cozy.......not exactly a beauty parade...!!! Look at "Judas Priest"...no model looks going on there......Even "Black Sabbath" with Ozzy.....not a model agency's dream line up......!!!!

[Cryptic Night]

Where did you hear that Randy wanted the original band to stay together?
From Bob?

Sharon claims in Guitar World (March 2006) that Randy was embarrassed by Bob and Lee's appearance.
I sense a nugget of truth there, as Randy was, undeniably image conscious. You can't deny that.
Her claim, I know, which brings me back to the point I have been trying to make all along.

We don't have all the details.

If he was so embarrassed about Bob and Lee's image, then why did he keep contact up with Bob?

And honestly, you shouldn't really take Sharon's word on everything, since she 1) wasn't there most of the time, 2) is known to lie about things and change the history, and 3) her and Ozzy's words have changed over the years (Sharon due to not being there and trying to write out Bob and Lee, and Ozzy for being a mental wreck at the time, and with the drugs, booze whatever)

Bob has always told the same story. I don't recall EVER hearing Bob say something different. THAT makes him MUCH more believable. There's also the fact that besides the Osbournes, no one he has ever worked with has really said bad things about him. (At least, to my knowledge) They've all said he was a great guy. Hell, even in the 80's Ozzy said he was a great guy.

True, it was smart for him to get back in with them when he thought The Osbournes were gonna help he and Lee out with the Don Arden lawsuit, but he did last work with Ozzy in '93 and early '94 on the aborted 'X Ray' project with Ozzy and Steve Vai..


Smart yet a tad foolish. I stand behind that.

How was he foolish? He did the smart thing after DOAM. He took a lump sum. He didn't want to bother with the royalties/credits thing again, so he just sold all the music to the Osbournes and was done with it. Now tell me, what's so foolish about that?

He likes Ozzy, he clearly liked working with Ozzy, he just can't stand Sharon for her greed. So, he took the easy way out and just sold the music. He has no rights to any of that music (After DOAM), and besides the "Featuring Bob Daisley on bass" thing, he gets no credit.

[shred1]

Cryptic, if you read my post again, you will see that I don't necessarily believe her. That is a given.
Folks, we don't know.

I believe he called Bob once. Bob's words.

Ever hear a bad word from Rudy and Tommy about Lee and Bob?

They sat on a tour bus with a drunken Ozzy for over a year, I am sure they heard plenty.

Not a chirp.

[Bongo Christ]

The reason I love those first two albums so much is because of Randy's genius and Ozzy's voice and incredible melodies, those are the crucial elements.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Where did you hear that Randy wanted the original band to stay together?
From Bob?

Sharon claims in Guitar World (March 2006) that Randy was embarrassed by Bob and Lee's appearance.
I sense a nugget of truth there, as Randy was, undeniably image conscious. You can't deny that.
Her claim, I know, which brings me back to the point I have been trying to make all along.

We don't have all the details.

Dave Tangye Ozzy's PA and Lee Kerslake.

[shred1]

For me, Lee doesn't have much credibility in this regard.
He claims there are unreleased songs - something Bob says is untrue.

[halo8th]

Where did you hear that Randy wanted the original band to stay together?
From Bob?

Sharon claims in Guitar World (March 2006) that Randy was embarrassed by Bob and Lee's appearance.
I sense a nugget of truth there, as Randy was, undeniably image conscious. You can't deny that.
Her claim, I know, which brings me back to the point I have been trying to make all along.

We don't have all the details.

Hahahaha. "Sharon claims........".
She's been known to stretch the truth, even lie, and in this instance, i could definitely see that happening (making a story to her advantage without Randy here to dispute that).
Just wreaks of BS.

[halo8th]

Ozzy was the reason there was a band. He is let off the hook in that regard.
No Ozzy, no record deal. No Blizzard.

....and w/out Bob writing all those important songs, lyrics, and music (Ozzy sure the hell couldn't do it...), then no big arena's, no riches, no big bank accounts, and on and on and on.

[shred1]

There were lots of bass players available in the 1979-80 that could have filled Bob's position. And drummers to fill Lee's.
No Ozzy. No Blizzard however.
Ozzy is not a great frontman. His voice however, is extremely unique. And most importantly, it was the voice of Black Sabbath at that point.
Sometimes, people forget just how big Sabbath was.

(making a story to her advantage without Randy here to dispute that).
Same goes for Bob and Lee. They are making a career out of it.

[distortionplus]

On the question of Bob and Lee being let go. Randy mentions at one of his seminars that Ozzy was making a fresh start and Bob and Lee had been around for awhile. He states that they were not big on touring. He aludes to Ozzy also wanting fresh talent (maybe younger guys) for the tour. Whether this is true or just Randy saying something he was told to say who knows?

[shred1]

Randy's opinion of Tommy Aldridge can be heard here.
This is new to me.
cheers

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