whoopiecat wrote:People sympathize with Bernie, as he got tricked pay-wise, he had to use Randy's pedalboard, he put his fledgling solo career on hold. Who knows?....
Jake has Brad to thank for making his tenure in Ozzy a good one, as the fans got most of their venting out on Brad. I know Jake still had to deal, but not to the extent Brad did.
Brad is a class act.
Ok, let s just be real,ozzy allegedly punched rr in the face.What axeman havent they (oz/ and company)dumped and discarded?Dont worry had rr lived they would have dumped and pissed on him too.RR was only around long enough to get punched in the face.
whoopiecat wrote:People sympathize with Bernie, as he got tricked pay-wise, he had to use Randy's pedalboard, he put his fledgling solo career on hold. Who knows?....
Jake has Brad to thank for making his tenure in Ozzy a good one, as the fans got most of their venting out on Brad. I know Jake still had to deal, but not to the extent Brad did.
Brad is a class act.
Ok, let s just be real,ozzy allegedly punched rr in the face.What axeman havent they (oz/ and company)dumped and discarded?Dont worry had rr lived they would have dumped and pissed on him too.RR was only around long enough to get punched in the face.
In Rudy's Book he says he was punched by Ozzy long after he had quit ozzy's band. I think it happened back stage at the US festival. 1983 I had thought it was Randy too but I think this was one of the many reasons why Rudy wrote the book. He said there was a lot of bogus imformation floating around on the net.
How many heavy metal guitarists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Ans: Five, one to screw it in and four to brag about how they could have done it faster and better.
The same with Brad. We are observers almost 30 years removed and criticizing how he played Randy's music. No one has mentioned that Ozzy could of nipped the negative fan reaction by simply saying, "I want us all to have a fucking great time tonight!! O.K. I want to personally thank Brad Gillis for playing guitar tonight. I might not be here with you all tonight if he had not stepped up for me on this tour." The fans would of then at least heeded the booing and snickering. Unfortunately, Ozzy was in such deep emotional pain that he probably didn't even notice Brad's reception by the fans. He was too numb to notice those things for some time. Ozzy's career could of very well ended right after Randy's death. Lucky for us it didn't because we might still be talking about footage that simply disappeared forever...
To be a teacher you must never stop learning yourself...
RR-ElectricAngel wrote:How many heavy metal guitarists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Ans: Five, one to screw it in and four to brag about how they could have done it faster and better.
LOL; actually of the different 'guitarist types', I have always found the biggest egos always have been heavy rock/metal guitarists
Having said that Bernie Torme is one the most humble and down to earth musicians my wife and I have met!
At the guitar society society we hold monthly he did a clinic and at the end of the evening helped with all our equipment carrying it to Suzie's car!!!
Matt
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RR-ElectricAngel wrote:How many heavy metal guitarists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Ans: Five, one to screw it in and four to brag about how they could have done it faster and better.
LOL; actually of the different 'guitarist types', I have always found the biggest egos always have been heavy rock/metal guitarists
Having said that Bernie Torme is one the most humble and down to earth musicians my wife and I have met!
At the guitar society society we hold monthly he did a clinic and at the end of the evening helped with all our equipment carrying it to Suzie's car!!!
Matt
In my experience with guitar players and musicians in general the biggest egos are the nearly famous but not quite there and usually sub-par talent also .. some of the greatest players i've had the pleasure of working with are very humble down to earth dudes ...
Ritchie wrote:
In my experience with guitar players and musicians in general the biggest egos are the nearly famous but not quite there and usually sub-par talent...
Hit the old nail right there on the head! Suzie and I have met a few of them also at the guitar society too...wankers
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your right there, i meet yngwie malmsteen after a gig and he was the most arrogant person i have ever meet, we waited back stage for him it was freezing cold, he came out made us walk over to his tour bus and sat in there in the warm signing autographs whilst we waited outside, he then go someone else to hand them over to us.
On the other hand i had the same situation with steve vai and he was the complete opposite, he was amazed that we had waited for him in subzero temperatures and spent about 15 minutes out in the cold with us signing autographs and have photos taken and answered all our questions, he was a really nice down to earth guy, the complete opposite to yngwie, but is shouldnt have expected any more from yngwie anyway.
I never meet randy but i get the feeling he would have been the steve vai type and would have spent ages with you.
Jason; that made me do this icon about Yngwie. We met Satch a few years back and he was genuinely very humble and had a strange Buddhist like calm about him. It was like he was a guitar Obi Wan or Yoda!!
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Tommy Aldridge had said Ozzy punched Randy over breakfast,in a guitar world interview from the early 2000s.Ozzy & Randy were very close & Ozzy was in bad shape (drink/mental) & im sure there was more to it than what weve been told.
First off let me say I wish I had kept up with this particular thread more, as I recall in an interview with Ozzy in a Guitar For the Practicing Musician magazine that had Jake and Ozzy on the cover, Ozzy stated that he offered the gig to Brad Gillis permanately and that Brad turned it down to do Night Ranger, because he (Brad) preferred an audience full of chicks to a heavy metal audience. Ozzy also said that Brad was an extremely good heavy metal player and that he had to be a "stone-cold mother" to go on stage after Randy had just died. Given Ozzy's statements, and I'm pretty sure I am correct on them, I think he was very happy with Brad's performance. I have personally always loved what he did with the Sabbath material on SOTD, but was less impressed with his take on Randy's material. I have always loved what he did with Night Ranger and Brad has always come across to me as one of the nicest guys on the planet and as someone who has absolutely loved every opportunity he has been given to play guitar, be it stepping into a situation like Ozzy (which somebody had to do), or with his own band.
It is no great secret what I think of Jake E. Lee, he is to me what Randy is to all of you. Nearly every musician who was associated with Ozzy during the time frame of BATM has stated that no one could have handled the position Jake was given as well as him, that speaks volumes coming from alot of the same people who played with Randy.And as I remember it, in the same interview I mentioned about Brad, Ozzy also stated that Jake reminded him alot of Randy in how he approached recording BATM. Plus, not only did Jake get the Ozzy gig, but he had also landed the gig with Dio before Ozzy, not to mention that alot of the guys who came up in LA and San Diego with Jake have stated he was one of the scariest guitar players they had ever seen, that's guys like George Lynch, Craig Goldie and Warren Demartini, not someone who's just a fan like me, and most all of them say he is a good guy as well. Jake stated that the music on BATM was about 80 percent his and BATM is arguably Ozzy's second most popular song as a solo artist ever behind Crazy Train. I hear a natural Randy influence to that album and I am sure Ozzy and Sharon wanted to keep that, I have always thought Jake did an excellent job with that record of keeping enough of a Randy era influence to the songs while also introducing himself as an individual, as I recall Bob said the same thing.
The Ultimate Sin is a great album, but you have to keep in mind that Jake wrote what OZZY/Sharon wanted during those years, which was something that went well on MTV with all of the "Hair Bands". When I listen back to TUS now, I think it is a lot better record than it has ever been given credit for, Jake's playing is stellar whether you like the songs or not, particularly his solos. Does it sound like Randy, no, but at that point of Jakes tenure with the band it shouldn't have. As for Jakes parting ways with Ozzy,in one of the last interviews I remember reading with Jake before he was not with Ozzy he said "on the third record with Ozzy I plan to fully explore the vistas of electric guitar", and that Ozzy himself had said Jake might actually produce that record, that doesn't sound like someone who planned to leave to me. In the first interview I read with him post Ozzy he said he actually heard he had been fired by Ozzy first through his guitar tech and then later form Ozzy/Sharon. I won't speculate on reasons that no one except Ozzy, Sharon and Jake would know.
Live, I stand by the statement that Jake was maybe the best guitar player I have ever seen on stage, I know alot of people say his moves were staged or whatever, but his moves are no more staged than Eddie Van Halen's were, and alot of people say EVH is the benchmark for looking natural and playing great on stage. Don't believe me, watch the BATM show from Salt Lake City, then watch Eddie on the 82 Largo, MD. show and tell me honestly that Jake looks any more staged than Eddie, and that is Eddie in his prime. Even better get the 91' Chicago Badlands show, the only show I've ever seen that compares to it as far as somebody being completely in touch with the guitar is Stevie Ray Vaughan live at El Macombo, (Badlands is a completely different subject).
This is not to knock anyone or disrespect anyone's opinion here as everyone is entitled to it but I have heard Jake (and now Brad) take a pile of abuse through the years and I've never really heard Jake say to much at all, I have heard both he and Brad (as well as Zak, Bernie and Joe) be extremely reverent, respectful and grateful for Randy Rhoads, I think Randy, who I think the world of by the way, would have paid them the same courtesy. Even Ozzy, who for years had nothing good to say about Jake has had nicer things to say about him, as well as Brad recently, saying that both were great and that they had to be to get the gig. Again, I don't mean to disrespect anyones opinion and I by no means mean to disrespect Randy in any way, I think Randy above all, was a person I would like to be like, and not just as a guitar player, but as a human being. Everyone can speculate on what Randy might have done if he had not got on that plane and everyone can say that every guitar player that Ozzy has had after Randy was not as good as him, that's fair, we're all entitled to our opinion. But I don't think Randy would have done that if Ozzy had fired him and replaced him with Brad or Jake or whoever, I think he would have been supportive of them. I think it is really crappy that someone is using Randy's legacy to sell something that is not Randy, that's wrong and should not be allowed, but that should never discount the contributions of especially Brad and Jake, who in all likelihood kept Ozzy with us, both personally and musically. Jake, has admittedly had some hard times over the last few years and I'll be honest with all of you, I don't know him personally, he may be a complete asshole, but I pray for him every night. Like I said, he was to me what Randy was to you, he was my hero and I hate to think that if things don't get better for him he might be gone, like Randy. I don't mean that to startle or scare anyone I'm just saying, think of it this way if you knew the last thing Randy ever saw before he got on that plane was something you had written, would you want it to be something good or bad. And to be a bit more upbeat, to anyone who has Jake audio or video footage, I would be as excited to get that as all of you will be to get whatever footage Ozzy is going to put out on Randy, which I will be excited to see as well. Again, Just my thought and opinions, take them as that and nothing more.
Ted
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Excellent post Ted. I pretty much agree with mostly everything you've said. Jake is such an underrated player and thats a shame but I understand because he followed one of the greatest guitar players of all time. Also Randy left us so soon so no one knows what would have happened on future releases. What we got is only a couple of albums but they are incredible albums. The only way you can compare Jake to Randy is that they both played in Ozzy's band
Cheers Ted, your sanity which I am envious of LOL! That summed it up for me too.
I like Jake as his solos are very memorable like Randy's; they are so melodic and like a song within a song.
I read somewhere that he has a very cheeky musical sense of humour. An example is supposedly that in Bark At The Moon he based the riff on the riff of Dire Straits' Sultans Of Swing!
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about Yngwie. We met Satch a few years back and he was genuinely very humble and had a strange Buddhist like calm about him. It was like he was a guitar Obi Wan or Yoda!!
