Tired of people saying that Hendrix was the best

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:39 am

rice_pudding wrote:well personaly i think hendrix was great, but also overated.

i think a lot of his popularity came down to his energy, charisma and crazy antics. if you take away the crazy wammy bar tricks, playing the guitar with his teeth etc. the music your left with is not any better (or worse) than that of his contemporaries. the notion that he was leagues ahead is daft IMO, stylisticaly/genericaly he was drasticly different and an inovator but so was clapton years before.

anyhow i dont want to get into a debate about whos best cos theres no answer to that... although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.

Strongly disagree

Hendrix' sense of melody and his songwriting were and are sheer genius.

Clapton was only in the public eye a matter of a couple of years before but was completely blown away by Jimi's playing. Jimi's use of feedback, legato, trills and feedback were all unchartered territory. As a composer Jimi really had the gift too.

Listen to Axis as Bold as Love, Electric Ladyland Are You Experienced.

Also the word technique applies to how you phrase and articulate a note as well as how nimble your fingers are....if you are executing a scale at 200 bpm you haven't time to add any of the former...

Jimi did ofcourse play fast too but sucked alot of juice out of each note he played.

Also his riffs are just another subject altogether.

Remember the fun of all this is we all agree and disagree...the good news n life is you don't have to choose one or the other but can have both.

For what it's worth my favourite 4 years in popular music is 1967-1971.

Matt

ps

He was said to have had a HUGE willy LOL...

2 ladies who slept with him showed a plaster cast in the Sunday Times a few years back!! (just to keep things light

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siro_angel · Post by **siro_angel** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:01 am

When it comes to Jimi Hendrix, I do see him as a great player, but not GOD, Beneath all his stage antics is a Jazz and Blues musician, I mean the biting the guitar with teeth thing? That was a stunt asked to be done by Jimi Hendrix's record company.

He was not my inspiration, that was Randy Rhoads and Ludwig Van Beethoven, but he has a small part in my playing.

Simon

rice_pudding · Post by **rice_pudding** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:38 pm

Matthew wrote:
Hendrix' sense of melody and his songwriting were and are sheer genius.

not gonna disagree but I just dont think he was leagues ahead of everone else

Matthew wrote: Also the word technique applies to how you phrase and articulate a note as well as how nimble your fingers are....if you are executing a scale at 200 bpm you haven't time to add any of the former...

i wouldnt say technique applies to phrasing myself but thats just my perspective on what technique entails
and just for the record i think most shred stuff is rubbish, but technicaly impresive.

Matthew wrote: Remember the fun of all this is we all agree and disagree...the good news n life is you don't have to choose one or the other but can have both.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:17 pm

Technique is just a word that describes 'the way something is done'...so having a 'good technique' can apply as much to someone having a great strumming technique or vibrato technique than it can to a fast left hand rapid scale technique.

What is funny is sometimes playing a simple piece like Dee or Greensleeves can be miles harder than playing a Bach Prelude because the space between notes mean that you have to do things to make it stay interesting..tone colour (pontacello or tastonutto (sp) ) dynamics phrasing etc...often with a seemingly harder piece there is no time to think of these things because of the sheer speed of the piece.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:21 pm

also I hate the way the music media has coined the terms 'shred' I suppose it is fitting because to me it sounds moronic and makes music making sound (in a phonetic way actual way) rubbish.

In Classical music, Jazz country etc thepeople at the top of their game can all what in electric guitar terminology 'shred' it just goes without saying...so what seperates 20 concert pianists who all have comprehensive and advanced techniques is how they play the piece.

but then we open a can of worms on should music even be competitive...

truly

a resounding NO!!!

zmack mylde · Post by **zmack mylde** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:27 pm

Matthew wrote:
rice_pudding wrote:well personaly i think hendrix was great, but also overated.

i think a lot of his popularity came down to his energy, charisma and crazy antics. if you take away the crazy wammy bar tricks, playing the guitar with his teeth etc. the music your left with is not any better (or worse) than that of his contemporaries. the notion that he was leagues ahead is daft IMO, stylisticaly/genericaly he was drasticly different and an inovator but so was clapton years before.

anyhow i dont want to get into a debate about whos best cos theres no answer to that... although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.
Strongly disagree

Hendrix' sense of melody and his songwriting were and are sheer genius.
did ofcourse play fast too but sucked alot of

I strongly disagree. This is another area that Hendrix is overated. His melody does not blow people away. In fact Clapton and Page has better melody. Hendrix sometimes chooses melodies that sounded "sour" or out of key. Also his songwriting wasnt that great. I've listened to all 3 studio albums he did not all of the songs are good, in fact a lot of his stuff is unlistenable.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:32 pm

As the saying goes and appliies to you Zmack old fellow

opinions are like arse holes..everyone has one

Post by **Stiltzkin** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:23 pm

rice_pudding wrote:although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.

i think Buckethead beats MAB in that department

zmack mylde · Post by **zmack mylde** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:14 pm

Stiltzkin wrote:
rice_pudding wrote:although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.
i think Buckethead beats MAB in that department

none of those guys have as good melody and phrasing as Randy.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:39 pm

zmack mylde wrote:
Stiltzkin wrote:
rice_pudding wrote:although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.
i think Buckethead beats MAB in that department

none of those guys have as good melody and phrasing as Randy.

My god I felt a slight stab of affection towards you then...

Paul Wolfe · Post by **Paul Wolfe** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:15 pm

zmack mylde wrote:I strongly disagree. This is another area that Hendrix is overated. His melody does not blow people away. In fact Clapton and Page has better melody. Hendrix sometimes chooses melodies that sounded "sour" or out of key. Also his songwriting wasnt that great. I've listened to all 3 studio albums he did not all of the songs are good, in fact a lot of his stuff is unlistenable.

Have you listened to all the studio stuff released after his death? He was brilliant. But most of it boils down to your age and taste in music. Hendrix was not "metal", so if you're a metal fan he doesn't rate so well.

As from some of his stuff not being as good as you'd expect from "the best", Randy put out some sub-par stuff as well. The fact of the matter is, Hendrix changed the way guitar was played and viewed. Before him, the guitar was just part of the ensemble and the vocals were the focus. With Jimi, the guitar became extremely important to the song.

Randy's main contribution to changing the guitar world is that he made it cool to study music. Before Randy pentatonics ruled guitar and learning "by ear" was the norm. After Randy all the guitar mags sprang up and discussions of modes and theory became important.

NicDots · Post by **NicDots** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:19 pm

Matthew wrote:
zmack mylde wrote:
Stiltzkin wrote: i think Buckethead beats MAB in that department

none of those guys have as good melody and phrasing as Randy.
My god I felt a slight stab of affection towards you then...

You sure that's ALL you feel, Mattyboy?

NicDots · Post by **NicDots** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:20 pm

Paul Wolfe wrote:
Skully wrote:I agree, I'm sick about novices who've never played an instrument their whole lives saying that Hendrix was the best.
I never liked that term 'the best' anyway.
You're the best Nicole!

Just saw this.
You're such a butthole.

Cpt Matt Sparrow · Post by **Cpt Matt Sparrow** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:23 pm

zmack mylde · Post by **zmack mylde** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:08 pm

Matthew wrote:
rice_pudding wrote:well personaly i think hendrix was great, but also overated.

i think a lot of his popularity came down to his energy, charisma and crazy antics. if you take away the crazy wammy bar tricks, playing the guitar with his teeth etc. the music your left with is not any better (or worse) than that of his contemporaries. the notion that he was leagues ahead is daft IMO, stylisticaly/genericaly he was drasticly different and an inovator but so was clapton years before.

anyhow i dont want to get into a debate about whos best cos theres no answer to that... although if we're talking purely about technique Michael Angelo Batio would probably win hands down.

He was said to have had a HUGE willy LOL...

2 ladies who slept with him showed a plaster cast in the Sunday Times a few years back!! (just to keep things light )

So you're thinking about black dick again.