The Religion, Atheism and Science Discussion

[NicDots]

but a word that was is commonly know as 'whore' or prostitute in the bible he said translated as woman.

A mis translation like that not only shows a possible agenda behind the people we have trusted in the past to translate, but also a much different way of viewing the events.

My word, that is awful! But not surprising in any way. Women get the shaft in most religions.
And I whole-heartedly agree with your sentiment as far as translations go, which is why for the most part I do not split hairs when it comes to religion and Christianity. Belief in the Trinity, the after life, and in Jesus pretty much makes one a Christian in my book. I think most other things can be debated.

[Paul Wolfe]

The New International Version was translated directly from the original language. It was translated by a team of scholars and any discrepancies in language were discussed in depth prior to printing the final version of the book. The King James version - which is the most popular English language version - was not translated from the original language and was translated into English at the order of King James (hence the name) so things may have been slanted towards popular belief in that version.

I believe that the Word of God can be written by man exactly as God wants it written, because God can make sure His word is presented as He wants it presented.

I used to sell Bibles for a living and was required to learn the background of all the different translations. I believe the New International Version (NIV) is the most accurate Bible available.

[highpriestess]

This is a debate. The nature of a debate is for lots of different ideas to be thrown around.

I think that rather than a debate where different sides are arguing their reasoning in an attempt to sway opinion, this is more of a discussion where we are all presenting our beliefs in an effort to understand one another better.

Paul. you have totally earned my respect with that post. i know it doesn't mean shit to you... my respect, nor my opinion, but in all honesty, THIS is all i EVER wanted from you... not that i have the right to want ANYTHING from you. But for what it is worth...This... THIS approach, to me? priceless. i have no desire to force my opinion or beliefs on you..... but the fact that you are open to hear it objectively? YOU, my friend, are a true Christian. leave the judgment for those higher than you... listen with compassion, and believe as your heart tells you to and leave the judgement for that which you believe is in a higher place to judge. I have a new found respect for you.

I know you hate me. But thank you for THIS post. *curtsies*

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

This is a debate. The nature of a debate is for lots of different ideas to be thrown around.

I think that rather than a debate where different sides are arguing their reasoning in an attempt to sway opinion, this is more of a discussion where we are all presenting our beliefs in an effort to understand one another better.

Paul. you have totally earned my respect with that post. i know it doesn't mean shit to you... my respect, nor my opinion, but in all honesty, THIS is all i EVER wanted from you... not that i have the right to want ANYTHING from you. But for what it is worth...This... THIS approach, to me? priceless. i have no desire to force my opinion or beliefs on you..... but the fact that you are open to hear it objectively? YOU, my friend, are a true Christian. leave the judgment for those higher than you... listen with compassion, and believe as your heart tells you to and leave the judgement for that which you believe is in a higher place to judge. I have a new found respect for you.

I know you hate me. But thank you for THIS post. *curtsies*

and you my love are a 'gentlelady'

Matt

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

The New International Version was translated directly from the original language. It was translated by a team of scholars and any discrepancies in language were discussed in depth prior to printing the final version of the book. The King James version - which is the most popular English language version - was not translated from the original language and was translated into English at the order of King James (hence the name) so things may have been slanted towards popular belief in that version.

I believe that the Word of God can be written by man exactly as God wants it written, because God can make sure His word is presented as He wants it presented.

I used to sell Bibles for a living and was required to learn the background of all the different translations. I believe the New International Version (NIV) is the most accurate Bible available.

Thanks Paul

Selling them and finding out as much as you know must have been fascinating.
It is good you are so sure too that the new international bible holds true.

What is sad to this day, is the bad deal women still get from some religions.

In the Anglican Church...thank God!! (literally meant there are now women vicars. I think it is nice to have authority with both sexes.

Infact in the Anglican Church we have gay ones too now!

According to comedian and devout Catholic Frank Skiller...

On a chat show Mother Theresa argued for the inclusion of women too more in the church. In fact Cliff Richard (a evangelical Christian) sat there and disagreed. In the editing process Cliff's PR men must had decided it looked out of touch to the fans having him being so rigid (also with a legendary old woman being way more open!) that it was cut.

The interview that was aired and when Mother Thersesa argued her point a newly edited and reasonable Cliff could be seen nodding in agreement.

ahhh TV SUCKS!!!!!

Matt

[NicDots]

The New International Version was translated directly from the original language. It was translated by a team of scholars and any discrepancies in language were discussed in depth prior to printing the final version of the book. The King James version - which is the most popular English language version - was not translated from the original language and was translated into English at the order of King James (hence the name) so things may have been slanted towards popular belief in that version.

I believe that the Word of God can be written by man exactly as God wants it written, because God can make sure His word is presented as He wants it presented.

I used to sell Bibles for a living and was required to learn the background of all the different translations. I believe the New International Version (NIV) is the most accurate Bible available.

To play that Devil's advocate here...even scholars disagree on what a certain word means. And then there are the different Bibles of the respective Christian churches, like the RC church and the Orthodox church, which include books that the Protestant Churches do not include. I am pretty sure that purgatory (if mentioned at all) is mentioned only in the RC Bible.

I have a question Paul...if the NIV says exactly what God wants, do you take it literally? All of it? There are some things in the Old Testament particularly that I find severely off putting.

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

There are some things in the Old Testament particularly that I find severely off putting.

Yes! like in Leviticus where it says not to share aa bed with a woman if she is on her period

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death"

Matt

[NicDots]

That is EXACTLY what I am talking about. What utter crap! But I actually think that verse you are quoting is about homosexuality. But even then, gay people shouldn't be killed, obviously.

[Paul Wolfe]

You must remember that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament.

I take the Bible literally where it is written literally and as a lesson where it is written as a story to explain a lesson. For example, Jesus used many stories to illustrate the point He was trying to make.

Now, I am sorry for offending anyone (everyone?), but I believe homosexuality is wrong because it goes against what God has intended. Do I think homosexuals should be put to death? No. I believe their salvation should be prayed for just like everyone else's.

[NicDots]

So do you tell your wife to sleep outside then? ( )

[Paul Wolfe]

So do you tell your wife to sleep outside then? (

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No, because hygiene today has overcome the hygiene at the time that was written.

The Bible was/is an instruction manual for life. The reason pork was not allowed as food was because of the high chances of disease based on the hygiene at the time. Now that we can keep things clean, all food is edible. (Acts 10:9-13)

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

So do you tell your wife to sleep outside then? (

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No, because hygiene today has overcome the hygiene at the time that was written.

The Bible was/is an instruction manual for life. The reason pork was not allowed as food was because of the high chances of disease based on the hygiene at the time. Now that we can keep things clean, all food is edible. (Acts 10:9-13)

You see with the way you have realised the necessity of adaption to do with the what we know and understand at the time... I view the adaption not only to do with food hygiene; but also to do with homosexuality.
It can be safe now in the 21st century; and in a loving relationship as pure as a hetrosexual relationship.

It may have been more of a problem before. Well it isn't now.

I think and believe God doesn't care who is gay and who isn't and isn't offended by it either. My 'faith' I guess believes this.

Matt

[Paul Wolfe]

The difference, Matt, is that the Bible states all foods are clean and it states that a man is to be with a woman. Sodom and Gomorrah were the epitome of homosexuality and sin, and they were destroyed because they refused to follow the laws of God.

Homosexuality isn't okay now because it's "safe", it was never "unsafe". It's not okay - in my opinion - because God said so.

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

Man said so, that is ofcourse where we differ.

Matt

[Paul Wolfe]

Man said so, that is ofcourse where we differ...

Man said so? You lost me.