Ultimate Rhoads

BowTie29 wrote:

mojopin70 wrote:

BowTie29 wrote:Borrowing and making it your own is a part of music, Crazy Train and Mr Scary riffs are just recycled Paganini. I agree that George never got to Randy's level of writing, arranging, composing etc... I think he was a better guitarist but Randy was a far better musician. I dont think George was consciously trying to play off of what Randy had started, I think that coming from the same place and era, they likely had similar influences and therefore had a similar sound.

My honest opinion and ( only an opinion!)on George Lynch was that when i first heard "Mr Scary" live and his Dokken stuff i loved it was very cool but i heard things in his playing that sounded like Randy somehow, when he formed Lynch Mob later i was expecting something incredible but he hadnt "evolved" he was still playing the same licks and structured his solos the same way. Recently i saw a video on you tube of Lynch, Kotzen and Gilbert kind of doing a guitar duel .....And i thought,....wow George Lynch didnt seem to have any answers to Kotzen and Gilbert that for me showed how big the gap was between these players and i was really really surprised, George Lynch seemed to struggle , i honestly think some players just lose the edge and fade away or lose "something", some become greater and just effortlessly stay on that level....

Randy Rhoads died in 1982 so we can only compare what he did until that point. What was Lynch like in 1982 for example I havent heard any recordings of George Lynch from 1980-82 to compare?. What i will say is i am absolutely sure after hearing what Rhoads did on those two albums and his background in teaching and classical theory he wouldve surely gone onto something even greater.

I fully agree. I think George peaked in Dokken and hasnt done anything all that exiting since. I really like the first Lynch Mob albums, but they arent any special, just good albums. He was similar to Randy in ways, but I think that is partly because of where he came from. There is kinda a 3 way circle between Randy, George and Eddie where they all sound like each other a bit at different times, just like theres times when NWOBHM bands sound like each other or Thrash bands sound like each other, or shredders,etc... I think that Randy would likely have done something greater, but he wasnt able to, so all we can do is speculate unfortunately. For all we know, he could have been like George and never done anything greater (highly unlikely, but possible) If it was George who died during the Dokken days, people may have speculated that he would have done greater things in the future like we do with Randy, but we truly dont know and never will.

mojopin70 wrote:We know he wouldve recorded a third album with Bob, Ozzy and Tommy A.

oth wrote:randy would have done just like all the other legendary guitarists have done-he would have sucked and created crappy music....page,clapton,townsend,evh...blablah...you are in peak form for about 5-7years and then all that genius,creative flow shuts off i.e.stones,zep,who,aerosmith,van halen...who wants to listen to in through the out door or permanent vacation or 5150?

Paul Wolfe wrote:

mojopin70 wrote:We know he wouldve recorded a third album with Bob, Ozzy and Tommy A.

No we don't "know" that. That is pure speculation. We know he would've recorded Speak of the Devil, but there is no reason to believe he would've recorded another studio record.

Paul Wolfe wrote:

mojopin70 wrote:We know he wouldve recorded a third album with Bob, Ozzy and Tommy A.

No we don't "know" that. That is pure speculation. We know he would've recorded Speak of the Devil, but there is no reason to believe he would've recorded another studio record.

sytharnia wrote:well that all depends on how you view it (let face it the 3rd, 4th and 5th black sabbath album's are as good as the first 2, thats fact not opinion)

dannyahansen wrote:

Paul Wolfe wrote:

mojopin70 wrote:We know he wouldve recorded a third album with Bob, Ozzy and Tommy A.

No we don't "know" that. That is pure speculation. We know he would've recorded Speak of the Devil, but there is no reason to believe he would've recorded another studio record.

About the only thing we can say is that Speak of the Devil would not have been a bunch of Sabbath songs.

dannyahansen wrote:

Paul Wolfe wrote:

mojopin70 wrote:We know he wouldve recorded a third album with Bob, Ozzy and Tommy A.

No we don't "know" that. That is pure speculation. We know he would've recorded Speak of the Devil, but there is no reason to believe he would've recorded another studio record.

About the only thing we can say is that Speak of the Devil would not have been a bunch of Sabbath songs.

What I've been told is that a Randy's mom contacted lawyers after Ozzy punched Randy and an agreement was reached that he would record the Sabbath covers and be done with Ozzy, no 3rd record, period.

So, even though the party line (Sarzo) is that there would have been a great 3rd record, that's not necessarily the case. Maybe Randy was working on song ideas and shared them with Sarzo, but after Ozzy telling Randy about the Sabbath record, I'm sure things changed. Ozzy was to be a stepping stone for Randy from day one. At the end Randy wanted to go back to school because Ozzy was an ass and disillusioned him... that we know for certain.

Sky wrote:The plan for a 3rd album with Randy, Bob Daisley and Tommy Aldridge was first discussed in the summer of '81. It continued to be discussed in the months leading up to Randy's death. For me, that's a factual memory.
Speak of the Devil was always going to be recorded first.

dannyahansen wrote:I believe George. I mean it doesn't take anything away from Randy. He still made it fit into a song. And for me that solo is the first one I learned and it is still my fav solo of Randy's. I think it is plausible too. George and Randy knew each other, it seems, as I recall George was asked to take over for Randy's teaching while away. And yeah I think he could remember a lick 33 years latter.

The big thing for me here is what does George get out of lying here? Nothing really.

Paul Wolfe wrote:

Sky wrote:The plan for a 3rd album with Randy, Bob Daisley and Tommy Aldridge was first discussed in the summer of '81. It continued to be discussed in the months leading up to Randy's death. For me, that's a factual memory.
Speak of the Devil was always going to be recorded first.

Exactly. The key word here being "discussed". Bob wasn't on the road with the band when the punching incident took place, so he may not have been aware of any legal discussion between the Rhoads' family lawyers and the Osbourne lawyers.

I can picture Bob and Randy getting together down the road at some point and recording again... I would be interesting to know who they'd have chosen for a singer...

For that matter, with the Sunset Strip hair metal scene exploding, where might Randy have fit into that? Would David Lee Roth have given Randy a call after leaving Van Halen?