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 Post subject: Re: Found proof of cameras at Day on the Green on 7/4/81
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:54 pm 
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Here is another

This one, setting up? Putting it away? Fixing a problem?
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good catch on that! You would think from looking at the youtube links they filmed from that soundboard area. With all the cover, real hard to tell if they had tripod there. It wouldn't surprise me now. Yeah the 8 mm are the ones where they had to keep changing reels after a few mins. These look like pro cameras.

Yes also the same camera angles of footage in the youtube videos looks like filmed in the photo. I agree.

Also yes I talked face to face with the guy that swore he saw DOTG on Mtv when credits were rolliing back in 81. He said Randy had the PDV and was outside on stage and he was flinging his hair from side to side.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:59 pm 
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If you look at this pic from a discussion a few years ago, the guy circled in the back whom we thought was holding a camera has the same color shirt on and same hair outline when you zoom in on him.

I have been looking for more pictures of that side of stage now for like an hour here lol

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:15 pm 
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I have that actual photo you can see I think its nothing unfortunately. I think they were either positioned on the sides of the stage behind the monitors or they would have been to the back of stadium somewhere due to what we see in the youtube clips.

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oh wow, i have wondered about that pick for a few years. Good, at least i know now :)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:39 pm 
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I think 415 had to go on not too long before Ozzy because here is Lindsay's keyboard.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:37 pm 
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here an an interesting page about the designer for day on the green Dennis Larkins.

http://www.highwaytoacdc.com/index.php?articleid=2277


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:27 am 
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I posted up my views on this DOTG gig...when you read the few replies it makes more sense.. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5159&hilit=metallica+camera


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The case closed comments are funny, when now we see there was a camera there. I don't care what photogepHer was there. No one was looking for video cams while they were there, if they noticed one and they remembered then great, if they didn't that doesn't mean there was no cameras there. Finding more pictures of this show has proven harder than I thought it would be. There are not many at all and that's including all the bands that were there. I looked for about 2hrs today....

Even before this 415 camera man was found, there were 38k people there, someone had a video camera either for personal use or to make money off it. Where are these videos? Buried in some 70yr olds attic somewhere. It's the same thing with just regular cameras. Out of 38k people how many would you guess had regular cameras? 500? 1000+?? How many of these photographs have we seen, other than from what roughly 5 of professional camera guys. It's out there, same with other shows. Just a matter of when it will surface.

Sadly what it's going to take most like is the people that were at all these shows getting old and croaking, then there kids or grandkids go through there stuff and find it.


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The case closed comments are funny, when now we see there was a camera there. I don't care what photogepHer was there. No one was looking for video cams while they were there, if they noticed one and they remembered then great, if they didn't that doesn't mean there was no cameras there. Finding more pictures of this show has proven harder than I thought it would be. There are not many at all and that's including all the bands that were there. I looked for about 2hrs today....

Even before this 415 camera man was found, there were 38k people there, someone had a video camera either for personal use or to make money off it. Where are these videos? Buried in some 70yr olds attic somewhere. It's the same thing with just regular cameras. Out of 38k people how many would you guess had regular cameras? 500? 1000+?? How many of these photographs have we seen, other than from what roughly 5 of professional camera guys. It's out there, same with other shows. Just a matter of when it will surface.

Sadly what it's going to take most like is the people that were at all these shows getting old and croaking, then there kids or grandkids go through there stuff and find it.


I posted that thread up in the interest of the gig being filmed by a pro film crew. As i was focusing on the tripod set up in the pit. Like the guy captured on the stage for the 415 gig. These guys don't go unnoticed with a big hulk of a camera perched on their shoulder. The guys who smuggled in cine film cameras will be the guys with money.. Remember these would of been a state of the art piece of kit for the time. Plus the tickets for these events would mention NO cameras, tape recorders.. who wants to get their expensive birthday present confiscated, these would of been equivalent to a camcorder for price when they first came out. As far as still cameras in the crowd, well the number would of been big from 35mm to cheap 110 cameras. Like shockwave mentioned many old school fans who went to this gig don't realise that the photo album sitting in the attic gathering dust, it would like to be seen be us fans, old and new. It's getting the message to these people to get them photos copied, scanned and shared. Any film will deteriate over time so if it isn't stored correctly or put onto a back up disc these films will be useless. Just like the guy's photos from the Hammersmith odeon that have just appeared. that guy has about 80 rolls of film from concerts he went to from 1978 to 1987. They are absolutely awesome for an amateur photographer who just liked to photograph the bands he went to see.


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the reason you see a pro film crew for 415 and not ozzy might be legal issues such as getting permission from ozzy to film his set.I dont think 415 was a big band or anything so i doubt they would not want to be filmed.The promoters of this show should have the answers to who what why this crew is.
As for people having a film hidden somewhere,most 8mm sucks and even if it was vhs you need a tripod to not get sea sickness from watching the video.How many people can film with a tripod without being noticed?

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The guy on the recent HMH #port Vale gig did a good enough job without a tripod... or are you wanting mint untouched clear images. Dream On bro...


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I think 415 had to go on not too long before Ozzy because here is Lindsay's keyboard.

You're right, they played right after 415:

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And this one pisses me off the most...This is not the camera man, but it is the most close up and clearest picture I have ever seen of the sound booth...And of course because it is Randy...the one side of the damn sound booth we all wanted to see is just out of the picture.....You know, that thing in the other pictures we have seen of the sound booth that looks like a camera sitting on a tri-pod....Well its about 2-4' more to the left of what the picture shows :twisted:

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Hey Shock,
I don't see Randy's stacks in that pic? :?

Check out this one:
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The distance footage in the youtube clips TAB posted looked they are from soundboard area. We need a more detailed photo from
that soundboard area. :)

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TAB wrote:
Also yes I talked face to face with the guy that swore he saw DOTG on Mtv when credits were rolliing back in 81. He said Randy had the PDV and was outside on stage and he was flinging his hair from side to side.

Maybe we talked to the same guy!
That "kind of distant" sure makes sense after watching the YT clips:
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There are lots of rumors that this gig was actually filmed.

I talked to someone and he said he saw shots on MTV of this concert:
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I was at my girlfriends house and we were watching MTV and they were running
a commercial for Sept '81 Ozzy tour dates. It was behind the scrolling tour
dates. It was outdoor, daytime, you could see it OK kind of distant
but, you could see Randy on the right side of the stage and Ozzy in the
middle. A friend of mine who is photographer (Daniel Larsen) was at the July
4th Oakland show and told me it was a multi camera shoot. MTV owns that
footage and is rotting in their vault. If I remember correctly Bill Grahm
productions was the original promoter. I only saw it once. I wish I had
taped it but, who knew it was coming on. I'm sure one day more Randy footage
will surface. I mean more than what's out there now.



Do you remember what song they where playing?
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It's hard to say. I don't really remember any sound in the background. I do
remember alot of talking over it. It was like, see Ozzy Osbourne on the road
coming to your town soon blah blah..

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The Flying Dutchman wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
And this one pisses me off the most...This is not the camera man, but it is the most close up and clearest picture I have ever seen of the sound booth...And of course because it is Randy...the one side of the damn sound booth we all wanted to see is just out of the picture.....You know, that thing in the other pictures we have seen of the sound booth that looks like a camera sitting on a tri-pod....Well its about 2-4' more to the left of what the picture shows :twisted:

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Hey Shock,
I don't see Randy's stacks in that pic? :?

Check out this one:
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The distance footage in the youtube clips TAB posted looked they are from soundboard area. We need a more detailed photo from
that soundboard area. :)



Ya same show though, you can see the poster board heart shaped cut out in all 3 pics that i posted that show the soundboard.


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