Southampton show (october 2nd 1980) also filmed?

[The Flying Dutchman]

I just did some re-reading of the great book "Randy Rhoads" by Steven Rose & Andrew Klein and I stumbed on something interesting (I appearently missed before...) it's on page 187 almost at the bottom:

"Max Norman came down for the show and was forced to watch it from a remote camera feed, while seated in a mobile truck, outside the Gaumont Theatre. It was from there that Max recorded the entire set."

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

I just did some re-reading of the great book "Randy Rhoads" by Steven Rose & Andrew Klein and I stumbed on something interesting (I appearently missed before...) it's on page 187 almost at the bottom:

"Max Norman came down for the show and was forced to watch it from a remote camera feed, while seated in a mobile truck, outside the Gaumont Theatre. It was from there that Max recorded the entire set."

Interesting! Although it is possible they were just monitoring the show and not recording it on video.

You would think a potentially recorded show would get more attention from those involved in production.

It's really sad, you know. Everyone probably thought that there'd be plenty of opportunities to record the band with the lineup at the time, when indeed, there wouldn't be, as Randy passed before a lot of footage could be taken. Very sad.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

I queried this one and i put the question to Andrew Klein. He told me that Max Norman passed this info onto him. Ok! if the gig was filmed why has Max never mentioned it in any interviews. Non of the band members have mentioned it, non of the fans who went to the gig have said "Yeah i remember seeing cameras at the gig". I honestly think its been a mix up of words or its been said to make the book more interesting. Very much like how the 'crash story' was doctored and changed like a fkn conspiracy. Lets just go off what we know as fans the gig was recorded 'audio only'. Remember the band didn't have a pot to piss in during the first 1980 tour. It would of been costly to do a one track Live video, never mind a full concert ...

[DMRX]

Ive thought this often myself over the years,those UK shows from my understanding were all Sold-Out,so I find it hard to believe they didnt have a Pot to piss in..I mean they probably wernt paid properly but there was Money being generated,just being handled by the Ardens.But I would think that for whatever reason that Something would have to have been filmed even though nobody involved remembers,I would just think that Some of theese Venues would have in-house camera setups......(IMHO) At least the Hammersmith Odeon had the possibility or probability of being filmed as there were alot of other bands filmed at that venue & great quality too...theres the (Classic ) Sabbath show there from the 1978 Never say Die tour & there is also Footage of Black Sabbath playing there in 1980 w/Dio on the Heaven & Hell Tour just a Few Months apart from the Blizzard of Oz date,so if footage did in fact exsist,who knows because Sharon had most oof the pics w/Bob & Lee Airbrushed or Cropped/Blacked out the 30th Anniversy editions & Book so if there was footage w/Bob & Lee they probably wouldnt have used it just because of that...like the "Holy Grail i;e Bobs tapes" that God only knows when/if we'll ever get to see/hear those. There are things that (for Facts sake KNOW Exsist) that I'd LOVE to hear like the Demos that Lee spoke of that he had heard before his audition with Goodbye to Romance & Crazy Train are 2 songs that were "For Sure" recorded/Demoed w/someone else on Drums before Lee......We just have to wait & see.......But in my heart I Do believe that there is Something more out there just waiting to see the light of day,we just want to see it so Bad,I mean since Ive been into RR every time that something new sees the light of day,were all Happy & Glowing for a few weeks then the (does more exist topic starts all over again) we just cant ever have enough

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

I tend to agree with what you guys are saying. In short, I would guess it all boiled down to money. Mainly, they probably wanted to keep the tour economical, and use the funds to keep the operation afloat, as well as to line Ozz's pockets. Let's be honest, he was in need of $$$ at the time, after pissing away his cash post-Sabbath.

Also, it was probably a big gamble as well, as no doubt people behind the scenes were waiting with baited breath to see if Ozz would blow the whole thing and fade into obscurity, as many thought he would. They may not have wanted to fork out dough for any given night for camera crews, film, etc, if Ozzy was going to show up pissed as a gnat, and ruin the whole works.

Just a thought.

[Paul Wolfe]

I was just looking at some shots of Def Leppard from August '81 opening for Ozzy over on Facebook... anyone checked with Leppard fanatics about early shows of theirs being filmed? Maybe someone would know if there's video of them from the time they opened for Ozzy?

Just a thought.

[The Flying Dutchman]

I was just looking at some shots of Def Leppard from August '81 opening for Ozzy over on Facebook... anyone checked with Leppard fanatics about early shows of theirs being filmed? Maybe someone would know if there's video of them from the time they opened for Ozzy? Just a thought.

Always worth to try. To be honest I already did, for the HMH Port Vale show and the DOTG show. Couldn't find anything from other bands they played with. But of course I could have overlooked something....

I queried this one and i put the question to Andrew Klein. He told me that Max Norman passed this info onto him. Ok! if the gig was filmed why has Max never mentioned it in any interviews. Non of the band members have mentioned it, non of the fans who went to the gig have said "Yeah i remember seeing cameras at the gig". I honestly think its been a mix up of words or its been said to make the book more interesting. Very much like how the 'crash story' was doctored and changed like a fkn conspiracy. Lets just go off what we know as fans the gig was recorded 'audio only'. Remember the band didn't have a pot to piss in during the first 1980 tour. It would of been costly to do a one track Live video, never mind a full concert ...

Good points Shaun, but still all speculating. I think we should ask Max Norman himself about that 'camera feed' comment.

*btw It could have been just a simple camera on a stand way back in the hall nobody never even noticed......
(still speculating! What else can we do huh.....! )

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Pure speculation... Hang on before we go on a wild goose chase. Lets face the facts here. The Southampton 1980 gig was recorded for what reason ? to release a couple of tracks for a Live EP. We have those 3 tracks from the show. So why do you have to go chasing a 'chinese whisper' that the gig was filmed. Remember that Ozzy was in the mind set that his band would fail. The opening night at the Glasgow apollo thinking would it be a success. Ozzy had nothing in the way of financing the band as he'd spent up. It was $haron who believed Ozzy could make it on his own. Who said every gig on the UK tour was sold out ?. The gigs may have sold well but it was never a sold out tour. By the time the Southampton gig came up on the tour schedule it was approximately 13 gigs played, not including the earlier gigs they did as the 'Law'. By this time, the band had realised that the gigs had sold well and they then decided to add another 16 dates to the tour. Including return trips to Newcastle and London.
When you record a live show you'd play at the venue with the best atmosphere and the best places at the time in the UK happened to be London, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham. So why did they decide to do the recording at the Southampton city hall. Because it was an audio recording it didn't matter if the crowd didn't go wild and as we know one of the tracks was recorded during the soundcheck and the crowd was overdubbed.
Non of the mentioned venues had in house cameras, any videos done had hired film units or they would have TV companies who would bring their film crews. When we have asked the crew members from the band if they can remember any gigs being filmed. Dave Tangye said he remembered one in 1981. So how would he forget about the Southampton gig ?. Bob Daisley kept a diary of events throughout the 1980 UK tour. Did it slip his mind to mention that in all the interviews he's ever done and how many times has he been asked the question. 'Did any of the UK gigs end up being filmed / videod'. ?. It's funny as he remembers that one gig being recorded for the 'audio' for the live tracks. But he must of forgot about the film unit of crew who set up the cameras to film the gig. Why did he forget ????? Because it didn't get filmed. In all the years i've went to gigs i've always remembered seeing film crew and if the band did happen to be getting filmed the lead singer would normaly say "we are filming the gig tonight". It would of been interesting to know if Ozzy ever said we are recording the gig tonight for a Live EP. I remember Lemmy in 1981 saying that the Newcastle gig was being recorded for the 'No Sleep 'til Hammersmith' live album. I remember in 1982 Iron Maiden being filmed during the Newcastle city hall soundcheck for the live video of 'Run to the Hills'. I remember the film crew setting up the 'dolly track' for the camera. Blackfoot in 1982 they recorded a live album from various venues in the UK the rapturous response from the Newcastle crowd ended up being put on the album, the track ended up being called 'Howay the lads' and i remember Ricky Medlocke saying "I think we got a take on that one". It's funny i'm getting on in my years but some shit sticks. I'm no expert in the field of bootlegs or when this happened in history but my mind is prity well switched on with the events that have happened in my life. If my point cannot be seen for the cloudy mist of pure speculation i may aswell stop posting on this thread. Yeah we all want footage and yeah a live full 1980 UK pro-shot gig, how cool would that be. No one would want that more then me, it would be awesome. Remember i'm a collector of photos from any Ozzy 1980 1981 uk gigs. So to see a full gig or even a couple of tracks that would be better then any photos. But sadly i can never see it hapenning WHY? because it didn't happen.

[The Flying Dutchman]

So why do you have to go chasing a 'chinese whisper' that the gig was filmed.

This is why:

"Max Norman came down for the show and was forced to watch it from a remote camera feed, while seated in a mobile truck, outside the Gaumont Theatre. It was from there that Max recorded the entire set."

I think this 'comment' should be investigated, that's all, I don't know if Southampton was filmed or not. I never said it was. But if the comment (which doesn't come from me btw... ) is true, there is a possibility it was.... maybe not in a proffesional way, but still it's worth to dig into this.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Pat how come i seen the same line in the book and didn't get the same reaction as you... i was told the same from Andrew Klein, but he heard it from someone else. Max Norman just happened to keep his mouth shut and never mentioned this in any interviews. Come on please!!! are we all ostriches get your head out the sand. The Randy Rhoads book was great but it had loop holes of info that i seen as prefabricated nonsense to make the book that little bit more exciting. The whole story about Rachel having a heart attack at the controls etc. It was another chinese whisper that was spread from one person. I'll tell you this mate, but don't say anything...yeah OK i can keep a secret. I'm 46 not 6... believe what you will but if you cannot read what i've said, then i may aswell say ok i've got the whole gig in my loft, but i'm keeping it. What gives you any idea it was filmed apart from that 'chinese whisper' in the book. Please ask Max Norman and i know what the answer will be, before he replies. Ask Bob Daisley, Lee Kerslake, Dave Tangye, Lyndsey Bridgewater, All of Budgie, Raven and any body else who was a part of the working production on the 1980 tour. I have asked them all and the question came back negative... Not a snippet of yeah i remember seeing a camera crew. Do you think i've not done any research everyone who i know, all the Ozzy fans i've traded with over the years, all the ticket stubs i have from the 1980 tour. It's probably the most near complete set i know of. The ticket stubs and Ozzy memorabilia i've collected has come from people who went to these gigs. I ask questions, i find out info. "Did you take any photographs of the gig" etc. I have ended up with photos no one has seen before, all down to me asking about these gigs. I've shared everything i've getting over the years.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Pat how come i seen the same line in the book and didn't get the same reaction as you... i was told the same from Andrew Klein, but he heard it from someone else. Max Norman just happened to keep his mouth shut and never mentioned this in any interviews. Come on please!!! are we all ostriches get your head out the sand. The Randy Rhoads book was great but it had loop holes of info that i seen as prefabricated nonsense to make the book that little bit more exciting. The whole story about Rachel having a heart attack at the controls etc. It was another chinese whisper that was spread from one person. I'll tell you this mate, but don't say anything...yeah OK i can keep a secret. I'm 46 not 6... believe what you will but if you cannot read what i've said, then i may aswell say ok i've got the whole gig in my loft, but i'm keeping it. What gives you any idea it was filmed apart from that 'chinese whisper' in the book. Please ask Max Norman and i know what the answer will be, before he replies. Ask Bob Daisley, Lee Kerslake, Dave Tangye, Lyndsey Bridgewater, All of Budgie, Raven and any body else who was a part of the working production on the 1980 tour. I have asked them all and the question came back negative... Not a snippet of yeah i remember seeing a camera crew. Do you think i've not done any research everyone who i know, all the Ozzy fans i've traded with over the years, all the ticket stubs i have from the 1980 tour. It's probably the most near complete set i know of. The ticket stubs and Ozzy memorabilia i've collected has come from people who went to these gigs. I ask questions, i find out info. "Did you take any photographs of the gig" etc. I have ended up with photos no one has seen before, all down to me asking about these gigs. I've shared everything i've getting over the years.

So this comment from Andrew Klein is totally out of the blue?

Could be, you seem to be sure, maybe you're right, but I really don't know, I want to find out! And I hope some other people will dig into this as well. To find out if there is a 'possibility' that..... If you like it or not. And you're not gonna tell me what to believe or not, I'm not trying either, I want people here to think for themselves, oke? Those days we had that crap I don't want to see here.....

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Well lets just say if it came from Max Normans mouth is it true ?. If it was passed onto somone did they twist the words abit and then decide to add the juicey bits ?. I'm going with the theory of it not being filmed. I could understand one persons memory not being that good after 30+years but not the entire road crew including the bands who toured with Ozzy etc. If anyone is in a position to ask Max please do.

[Paul Wolfe]

Well lets just say if it came from Max Normans mouth is it true ?. If it was passed onto somone did they twist the words abit and then decide to add the juicey bits ?. I'm going with the theory of it not being filmed. I could understand one persons memory not being that good after 30+years but not the entire road crew including the bands who toured with Ozzy etc. If anyone is in a position to ask Max please do.

Yet the myth that Sharon has managed to get people to lie to keep her version of reality going is believable? It seems okay to believe Rudy simply avoided subjects because Sharon would have squashed his book but Max saying something contrary would lead to Max being the liar or his being mis-interpreted?

We don't know and never will unless the footage surfaces. We'll know the truth about 22 November 1963 before we know the truth about RR being filmed live.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Well lets just say if it came from Max Normans mouth is it true ?.

To me that would be much more plausible yes. But still no 100% of course. It would definitly give me hope!

I'm going with the theory of it not being filmed.

That´s completely fine to me!
I´m going with the theory ´who knows, maybe... but very small change though´. The pics tell me it probably wasn´t filmed pro otherwise we should have seen cams in them. Maybe it was filmed in a very primitive way with just one cam from the back of the hall across center stage. Nobody wouldn´t even notice.

I could understand one persons memory not being that good after 30+years but not the entire road crew including the bands who toured with Ozzy etc. If anyone is in a position to ask Max please do.

Latest example is the '82 footage from the box set, never heard crew or bandmembers about that either.....

And I really wonder if we would hear from Bob/Lee about '80 blizzard tour footage (if there was...) since nobody wants to be the show stopper..... I think it's a total mess, stopping lots of things, that hurts the RR legacy

We'll know the truth about 22 November 1963 before we know the truth about RR being filmed live.

Good one!