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 Post subject: Re: RANDY RHOADS' Family Sues Margolis and Klein
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:48 pm 
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Has anyone read Kelly's book yet? I mention this because "Jodi" is deified here and I'm curious as to how much anyone actually knows about her? Kelly isn't so fond of her (and you all aren't so fond of Kelly or his opinion)... I know nothing about her other than what has been mentioned online. I've never spoken to her or to anyone who knows her (at least not about her with any of them), so I find it hard to accept comments about anything being "valid" just because Jodi was involved.

I've spent enough time here today, carry on.


Um, didn't want to throw the first stone on that one, Paul. . . . would you be so kind? ;) And yes, I agree with your assessment of Jodi- I used to think that because she maintained a somewhat stoic silence, that it must have meant something- however since then I've picked up misc info here and there, KG's book included- and well .... I still don't want to touch it.

But from what I understand, she and PM are close, no?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Um, didn't want to throw the first stone on that one, Paul. . . . would you be so kind?

But from what I understand, she and PM are close, no?


No, no stone throwing here... I read that about Jodi and Pete Margolis in Kelly's book and realized I don't know much about her (not that I ever really cared one way or the other). I just find it interesting that Jodi is held in high regard but his mother, brother and sister are not, that's all. No mud-slinging necessary.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:57 pm 
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Ok, wasn't sure of where you were going with that topic- and it appears that the Rhoads' accommodating Randy's fans all these years left them holding the bag- and now that they could probably use support in having been f*cked over as badly as they've been- people are blaming them for the fiasco.

That is precisely why I chose not to buy the book. I admit I had beer goggles on for a minute about it, tho:)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:13 pm 
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Oh, I'd love to have a copy of each book, I just can't, in any way, justify the prices being asked. The Quiet Riot book is more of interest to me...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:31 pm 
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shred2 wrote:
The way it was explained to me, here, in this thread, as documented by a transcript of emails is that the request to participate was ignored, and contact was not made. If there is more to it, fine. There usually is.

This morning, I googled 'Randy Rhoads lawsuit' to see what kind of waves this lawsuit is creating outside of Ultimate Rhoads.
Out of the top matches, only the folks at blabbermouth bothered to comment - and you can read those comments for yourself.

My point? It isn't 1983 anymore, and if this doc/book was to be a successful 'commercial' venture, it is about 25 years too late.
The sands of time. Unfortunately.

Lets be clear here. I am not taking sides in the botched documentary/book.... its been fumbled from both sides.
If the family wants to wade into unfamiliar territory without some professional guidance, that is there call.
On the other hand, I am not defending Dakota and their laughable licensing document and shady dealings.

I am glad the book is out, however, and plan to pick it up down the road.


Yeah it's an interesting cl*sterf*ck and no, we still don't have all the details.

ps. I miss the Zal avatar! Quite a healthy SAHB addiction you turned me onto, thanks!!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:42 am 
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What exactly are the photos that were stolen/copyright infringement from the $99 RR book? I have a copy of the book, as well as several members here. Anyway, if wrong doing occurred, let's investigate. What was the name of the chap who had the "refer to the last crappy email" or whatever... From Peter M., allegedly. I did find Mr. Margolis a bit "pretentious" when he said he learned Quiet Riot (Randy solos) frontward and backward," his words! Then he wanted to learn Van Halen which does have a bit of controversy with Randy doing a bit of back pedaling but IMHO this is how Randy came up with steal away the night. It's so weird that I now see Randy in that hometown hero, guitar player that he was in Quiet Riot, that I saw him in Ozzy's band. Nice Mr. RS.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:51 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:58 pm 
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I just PM'ed you, out of courtesy for other UR posters cos I've hogged this thread to hell already, and still have more to say about it :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:04 pm 
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I do agree with Paul about how flamed this site is based on drama. I find it interesting that some of you that started this site were rejects from TK (rejects now booting rejects) makes for good reading.

I noticed this issue has not made its way to TK for discussion? So... the oldest Randy Rhoads message-board on the net is siding with Margolis and not the Rhoads family? what is going on there? It would seem they would speak up for the family in some way or at least have a comment. They were posting statements for the family about other issues like Kevin. I also noticed TK does not support Kelly Garni in any way now. In fact the admins and mods have attacked him in post. Strange shift in events.

Are there any photos in the book from the memorial where the doc started? if so Margolis and company could loose bigtime. It would show premeditation.

I still think this entire stink was created by Kelle Rhoads not getting his music on the doc.

The real battle is between Kelle and Peter outside of the family's involvement. Kelle really had an axe to grind with Peter. I think Kelle blames Peter because somehow this would make Kelle a huge star like Randy in Kelle's mind :) just my observation.

All of this is a perfect example of how (he said she said) can create a monster. In this case, all suffer and made to look like fools to the world.


How can we change that?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:13 pm 
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blindleadingtheblind wrote:
I noticed this issue has not made its way to TK for discussion? So... the oldest Randy Rhoads message-board on the net is siding with Margolis and not the Rhoads family?


Anthony (Ironface) was at one point in the employ of either Margolis or Dakota and somehow involved in the making of this documentary, since he controls tk these days it only makes sense that this subject isn't being pursued there. They have done a better job of NOT being so dramatic in recent times, kudos for that.

As for the he said/she said thing, I'll say just what I did regarding RWND in the pickups thread: anyone who wants to avoid the drama and bullshit needs to avoid the topics. Don't post or read the topics that are loaded with flaming (or censor yourself and only make discussion-type comments - not attacks or rebuttals). I've chosen to do this with the religion thread in the off topic area. Religion is VERY important to me, but that thread only leads to attacks against me, so I don't post there.

We can make this place better, but no posts for 3 days until the drama in this thread resumed is NOT the way to do it.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:26 pm 
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blindleadingtheblind wrote:

Are there any photos in the book from the memorial where the doc started? if so Margolis and company could loose bigtime. It would show premeditation.



Plenty of photos and video of the event, and I believe it was also covered by several metal sites unrelated to UR and TK. I sincerely doubt that the litigants will have any problems presenting the premeditation of the book from the film, as I believe that PM himself may have also suggested the book in a couple interviews *if my memory is correct*.

Copyright law has some pretty intricate passages, I think that it's in favor of the Rhoads. Ultimately, I do hope the family will agree to a settlement and let the book sell itself. I feel they are entitled to compensation for the failed doc- especially after the negative press they've received as a result of it.

I don't think that Kelle's music was much of a problem, as Randy already had a sizable catalog himself to support his story- tho that also could be another instance where copyright law and the doc intersected.

Just have to wait and see how this plays out in court. I'm behind the family on this one. This book wouldn't have happened without their support of the documentary IMHO.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:12 am 
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In court concerning music, lyrics are more important to the court then the actual music. I'm not sure if things have changed but that is how it has been from the Bee Gees to Zeppelin. Not that this applies, it's just how skewed lady justice sees things. I don't know who did what but I will overstate how much this sucks for the fans. It seemed like at one time government worked and things seemed more fair ("You took too much, give them some"). Maybe, it was when I was a younger guy and It really wasn't that way but I may have believe it was. I know that people were paid better and executives were paid 1,000% less than they are today. The jobs have gone to China because they can use child labor and you can basically pay or do whatever you want and they are easier to control. I guess they really hate freedom and freedom lovers. Sorry, I had to do it...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:03 pm 
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I know what you're saying, it does seem as tho the courts don't award as fairly as they once did when it comes to copyright infringement, etc.

But not everyone that experiences theft or infringement of their property always goes to court. Roger Waters of Floyd didn't sue- using one of my favorite sites for reference,
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The 5 Most Famous Musicians Who Are Thieving Bastards

.... Phantom of the Opera sounding a whole lot like Pink Floyd's "Echoes." After finding out about the theft, Floyd front man Roger Waters took immediate legal action... oh, wait, says here he actually just said "life's too long to bother with suing fucking Lloyd Webber." But he did toss this line into his song "It's a Miracle."

"Lloyd Webber's awful stuff/Runs for years and years/An earthquake hits the theatre/But the operetta lingers/Then the piano lid comes down/And breaks his fucking fingers."

http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_th ... z2LNgXzcK7


Also, I wouldn't recommend others reading the rest of the aforementioned article, as it's damning evidence of some of rock and metal's most beloved artists and where they *could have* found some of the material for their most famous songs, ever.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:08 am 
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I believe that Jodi has an interesting view of a side of Randy that even his family may not be familiar with. Randy, as all of us can be, was a complex person to all that knew him. Jodi is just simply trying to help convey her side of things that transpired during her time with Randy. I think that along with most people here, she should not be judged by anyone. Kelly may have his reasons for not being in favor of Jodi for one reason or another. But one has to remember he was there when Jodi was also Kevin's girlfriend prior to Randy's.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:38 am 
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RRFan4Ever wrote:
Also, I wouldn't recommend others reading the rest of the aforementioned article, as it's damning evidence of some of rock and metal's most beloved artists and where they *could have* found some of the material for their most famous songs, ever.


Too bad they didn't mention Diary of a Madman being stolen, huh?

Funnily, this brought up a totally unrelated memory (well mostly unrelated): Years ago I was on an internet bulletin board where someone asked for tab to Phantom of the Opera, "the original one, not the Iron Maiden song." To which he was given the reply, "Hmmm. Maiden's song was released in 1980 and Andrew Lloyd Webber's song was released in 1986, so which original do you want?" :D :lol:


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