God Bless Ozzy Osbourne

[rokket]

Just watched this on dvd. Yet again, half the story. No mention of the original band, who was in it, what they did, where they came from. No mention of what recording Blizzard Of Ozz was like, no stories at all. Then all of a sudden Diary is out and the band is in the US and it's Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge with Ozzy and Randy. Not so much as a photo of the original band, or an interview. Sure Sarzo and Aldridge were good players, but what did they contribute to those first two classic albums?.....yep...nothing.

I'd like the whole story Ozzy.........maybe one day we'll get it.

[Paul Wolfe]

I'd like the whole story Ozzy.........maybe one day we'll get it.

When Bob and Lee quit bitching about money and agree to drop any current and/or future suits, they will be given credit. Until then, if a picture is included in a documentary, they'll use it as fuel to start another fight... as it is, not having a picture in a documentary is being used as fuel for the fight!

So either the boys drop it or we wait until Ozzy and Sharon pass before the 'truth' is told.

[rokket]

I'd like the whole story Ozzy.........maybe one day we'll get it.

When Bob and Lee quit bitching about money and agree to drop any current and/or future suits, they will be given credit. Until then, if a picture is included in a documentary, they'll use it as fuel to start another fight... as it is, not having a picture in a documentary is being used as fuel for the fight!

So either the boys drop it or we wait until Ozzy and Sharon pass before the 'truth' is told.

It's easy to turn the tables, but what kicked off all the "Bob, Lee Vs The Osbourne's" in the first place. Who refused to pay who?, and who, rightly, went after their pay? Just like anyone of us would do if we were in their shoes.

There are no law suits anymore, they stopped a few years ago. Wouldn't it be great to see an extensive interview with Ozzy, Bob, Lee and Don, regarding Randy Rhoads, and their collective memories of their time with him. Why won't that happen do you think. I'll tell you.

Ozzy - "Yeah man, Randy was like the missing piece of the puzzle for me, I mean, I had someone that understood me, and listened, someone I could work with and write great songs with..."

Bob - " But you never really wrote much Ozzy, except for the odd line of lyrics here and there, and a melody or song title idea, what are you talking about?"

Lee - "Well Ozz, as I remember it Randy, Bob and myself pretty much worked out all the music and lyrical side of those songs on the first two albums, why don't you want anyone to know that?....You make it sound like you and Randy wrote everything.....it's crazy"..

Don - "What songs did you actually write on your own with Randy Ozz, because I can't think of one..."

Ozzy - "Fuck you man, all of you, I'm the prince of fucking darkness man, I'm not doing this interview, it's fuckin insane"......(walks away)

[Paul Wolfe]

I'd like the whole story Ozzy.........maybe one day we'll get it.

When Bob and Lee quit bitching about money and agree to drop any current and/or future suits, they will be given credit. Until then, if a picture is included in a documentary, they'll use it as fuel to start another fight... as it is, not having a picture in a documentary is being used as fuel for the fight!

So either the boys drop it or we wait until Ozzy and Sharon pass before the 'truth' is told.

It's easy to turn the tables, but what kicked off all the "Bob, Lee Vs The Osbourne's" in the first place. Who refused to pay who?, and who, rightly, went after their pay? Just like anyone of us would do if we were in their shoes.

There are no law suits anymore, they stopped a few years ago. Wouldn't it be great to see an extensive interview with Ozzy, Bob, Lee and Don, regarding Randy Rhoads, and their collective memories of their time with him. Why won't that happen do you think. I'll tell you.

Ozzy - "Yeah man, Randy was like the missing piece of the puzzle for me, I mean, I had someone that understood me, and listened, someone I could work with and write great songs with..."

Bob - " But you never really wrote much Ozzy, except for the odd line of lyrics here and there, and a melody or song title idea, what are you talking about?"

Lee - "Well Ozz, as I remember it Randy, Bob and myself pretty much worked out all the music and lyrical side of those songs on the first two albums, why don't you want anyone to know that?....You make it sound like you and Randy wrote everything.....it's crazy"..

Don - "What songs did you actually write on your own with Randy Ozz, because I can't think of one..."

Ozzy - "Fuck you man, all of you, I'm the prince of fucking darkness man, I'm not doing this interview, it's fuckin insane"......(walks away)

That's exactly how I think an interview would go!

The way I see it, and I wasn't there to know the details, Bob and Lee should just let it all go. They are not going to get money for what they did - for right or wrong reasons. It happened, it's not going to change, let it go. Why not talk about being grateful for the opportunity to be a part of 2 of the biggest records of the '80's?

Ozzy and Sabbath buried the hatchet... Sabbath and Dio buried the hatchet... Ed and Dave even buried the F'ing hatchet!

[Sky]

The way I see it, and I wasn't there to know the details, Bob and Lee should just let it all go. They are not going to get money for what they did - for right or wrong reasons. It happened, it's not going to change, let it go. Why not talk about being grateful for the opportunity to be a part of 2 of the biggest records of the '80's?

Let what go? The fact that Bob and Lee contributed to the writing and performed on those two albums? It's Ozzy who needs to show a bit of gratitude, where would he be without the musicians who wrote and performed on those albums? Should Bob and Lee also be grateful for being omitted from the 30th anniversary box set and the film? There's even been daft speculation on this site that Bob and Lee would've sued if the Osbournes had included photos of them and given them the recognition they deserve, but where's the evidence to support that theory? Sounds like an excuse that Ozzy would use. Bob and Lee only had one lawsuit against the Osbournes and that ended in 2003. The Osbournes have constantly tried to obliterate Bob and Lee from history in the hope that one day we'll all buy their version of events. Why let the truth interfere with a good story, eh?....

[Paul Wolfe]

It happened, it's not going to change, let it go.

Let what go? The fact that Bob and Lee contributed to the writing and performed on those two albums?

They - Bob and Lee - need to let the monetary compensation demand - it - go. When the monetary demands - past, present and future - go away, then discussing their involvement will be possible. The Osbournes - Sharon, not Ozzy - know that any time that the subject is brought up, the money issue rears it's head.

That means that Bob and Lee don't get paid but do get credit. Does that suck for them? Yes, but it would resolve the issue.

[Alex]

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[Sky]

It happened, it's not going to change, let it go.

Let what go? The fact that Bob and Lee contributed to the writing and performed on those two albums?

They - Bob and Lee - need to let the monetary compensation demand - it - go. When the monetary demands - past, present and future - go away, then discussing their involvement will be possible. The Osbournes - Sharon, not Ozzy - know that any time that the subject is brought up, the money issue rears it's head.

That means that Bob and Lee don't get paid but do get credit. Does that suck for them? Yes, but it would resolve the issue.

Bob and Lee have only ever had lawsuit against the Osbournes. What makes you think they are making monetary demands now?

[Paul Wolfe]

Let me make this simple: Bob and Lee want the O's to pay them for their work on the records, right? The O's don't want to even mention their names publicly because they don't want to give Bob and Lee the ammo to start the lawsuits all over again. In addition, Sharon said there would be 'banter' between the Blizzard songs on the Box - Bob's tapes - Bob wanted $$$$ and couldn't come to an agreement with the O's...

Bob needs to accept a reasonable price or just keep his mouth shut about what he claims to have.

And reasonable is whatever he can get, which is up to Sharon to decide.

[Sky]

Let me make this simple: Bob and Lee want the O's to pay them for their work on the records, right? The O's don't want to even mention their names publicly because they don't want to give Bob and Lee the ammo to start the lawsuits all over again. In addition, Sharon said there would be 'banter' between the Blizzard songs on the Box - Bob's tapes - Bob wanted $$$$ and couldn't come to an agreement with the O's...

Bob needs to accept a reasonable price or just keep his mouth shut about what he claims to have.

And reasonable is whatever he can get, which is up to Sharon to decide.

Bob has stated that he asked for royalties and for his tapes to be released in their entirety. He also stated that neither he nor Lee were consulted or considered about the 30th anniversary editions. Your post is full of unsupported supposition about potential lawsuits and demands for money that exist in your mind but if you have evidence or anything other than what Sharon said to back up your views, please post it. She lost all credibility years ago.....

[Paul Wolfe]

They all lost credibility years ago.

Everything you have posted comes from the Internet, same as me. You are not hanging with Bob to get this info, are you?

I know what Bob has stated that he asked for. I also know that he's been bitching about how he was treated for 30 years. Sure he says he was never consulted about the 30th Anniversary Editions, he probably wasn't.

Sharon and Bob discussed releasing his tapes. He wanted royalties and she declined. This was all done through managers and agents I'm sure. So during the discussion, Sharon is thinking it might work out and it'd be cool to intersperse this stuff with the studio recordings. Say she, at some point, really thinks that a deal with Bob is going to work out so she makes her public comment that I mentioned earlier. Then, as so often happens, the deal is not agreed upon and the end result is Bob listening to this stuff at home and we have the disc we found in the Box. We can't know for sure because we were not privy to the discussions.

As for the lawsuit over Blizzard & Diary back in the dark ages, we were not present to hear what went on between Bob and Sharon behind closed doors then, either. We can only know what we hear from each side, which probably isn't exactly what happened, but, rather, a tinted perspective.

Of course my post is full of unsupported supposition. I'm not on trial here, I'm speculating. I am making an educated guess as to why the original bass player and drummer were excluded from a film. That guess is based on years of reading about the behavior of both sides to one another. So what? This is a fan based message board where the conversations are slim, so I thought I'd speculate, just like you are doing.

I don't believe Bob is 100% honest about what he says, so I am playing devil's advocate. You seem to take offense at that, sorry, but it's just a conversation.

[Sky]

They all lost credibility years ago.

Everything you have posted comes from the Internet, same as me. You are not hanging with Bob to get this info, are you?

I know what Bob has stated that he asked for. I also know that he's been bitching about how he was treated for 30 years. Sure he says he was never consulted about the 30th Anniversary Editions, he probably wasn't.

Sharon and Bob discussed releasing his tapes. He wanted royalties and she declined. This was all done through managers and agents I'm sure. So during the discussion, Sharon is thinking it might work out and it'd be cool to intersperse this stuff with the studio recordings. Say she, at some point, really thinks that a deal with Bob is going to work out so she makes her public comment that I mentioned earlier. Then, as so often happens, the deal is not agreed upon and the end result is Bob listening to this stuff at home and we have the disc we found in the Box. We can't know for sure because we were not privy to the discussions.

As for the lawsuit over Blizzard & Diary back in the dark ages, we were not present to hear what went on between Bob and Sharon behind closed doors then, either. We can only know what we hear from each side, which probably isn't exactly what happened, but, rather, a tinted perspective.

Of course my post is full of unsupported supposition. I'm not on trial here, I'm speculating. I am making an educated guess as to why the original bass player and drummer were excluded from a film. That guess is based on years of reading about the behavior of both sides to one another. So what? This is a fan based message board where the conversations are slim, so I thought I'd speculate, just like you are doing.

I don't believe Bob is 100% honest about what he says, so I am playing devil's advocate. You seem to take offense at that, sorry, but it's just a conversation.

Like you, I've read a lot over the years. I occasionally question other postings on this site because I'm curious to know where people get their information from, some members have replied by posting interviews that I'd never seen before, which I've appreciated. Previously you said that if the Osbournes had mentioned Bob and Lee's names in public or shown images of them in the box set, they would have the 'ammo to start lawsuits over again'. Their performances were re-released and there's been no mention of lawsuits so I couldn't see any logic behind your conclusions but I assure you I haven't taken offence at anything that you've said.

[Paul Wolfe]

That's cool, different points of view.

[hansolo]

I believe the last lawsuits were early 2000's and then Sharon did the 2002 "remastered-remix" IMHO, considering everything up until this, Bob and Lee got the very short end of the stick. Credit alone. I don't want to stir up anything (for once ) so, I think it's agreed if you played on one or two classic albums with RR, you would consider having your music replaced by other players, an insult at the very least. Anyone like those 2002 releases for the superior bass and drums? Not I. That is all.

[rokket]

The law suits are done and dusted. The same law suit can't be taken back to court. A decision was made, end of law suits. As I've said before, Bob doesn't want to sell the tapes, fair enough, I wouldn't either. What he did want was a royalty if they were to be used as part of the box set. Sharon said NO. Thats the end of it right there, nothing else to do or say. Bob won't sell, Sharon won't go the royalty road. The end.

If all Sharon wanted to do with the tapes was have "banter" between songs, thank god Bob didn't sell them, what a waste that would have been. What about all the unheard music??