Ultimate Rhoads

Beyond tiresome. There's no question about their contribution to Blizzard and Diary or that they were shat on with the re-recordings but everyone makes mistakes, get over it. It's all about Ozzy and Randy, they know that and you know that. Taking Bob's word as gospel and dismissing Ozzy's or Sharon's version of events is delusional at best.

Bongo Christ wrote:. Taking Bob's word as gospel is delusional at best.

thats what i always try to remind people... there is 2 sides to every story

axeman_12656 wrote:

Bongo Christ wrote:. Taking Bob's word as gospel is delusional at best.

thats what i always try to remind people... there is 2 sides to every story

there are actuall 3 side- your's,mine,&then the truth.

blues_n_cues wrote:

axeman_12656 wrote:

Bongo Christ wrote:. Taking Bob's word as gospel is delusional at best.

thats what i always try to remind people... there is 2 sides to every story

there are actuall 3 side- your's,mine,&then the truth.

Good call the truth lies between Osbourne camp and Daisley camp

But anyone that has read I AM OZZY knows that you can tell Ozzy really does like Bob. Thats the odd thing.

I think Ozzy is oblivious to most of what goes on around him. Seriously. $haron runs it. Ozzy has never run it himself, it's well known with Sabbath they got screwed constantly cause they left everything to managers. He doesnt have a business mind. I really believe he just sort of does whatever he's told and doesnt question Sharon.

AceVader wrote:I think Ozzy is oblivious to most of what goes on around him. Seriously. $haron runs it. Ozzy has never run it himself, it's well known with Sabbath they got screwed constantly cause they left everything to managers. He doesnt have a business mind. I really believe he just sort of does whatever he's told and doesnt question Sharon.

pretty much. i've met Ozzy a couple times and he's basically a fern plant.as long as the $$ roll in(for sharon) & he's fed a couple times a day w/ some sunshine he's good to go.

it's NOT all about Randy and Ozzy. At the very least, it's about Randy, Ozzy, and Bob. If Bob doesn't write a large part of those songs on the 1st 2 albums....there is no millions in the bank for the Osbournes. There are no mansions. No big tours. Without those big songs such as Crazy Train, Flying High Again, Osbourne's career doesn't roll over into mega-status. He is a small hall draw at best (similar to someone like a Glenn Hughes).
Although there are 2 sides to every story, Bob sure doesn't srike me as a liar. When he says he wrote "suicide solution" for one example...i just can't believe he's lying about that.

Ozzy and Randy. Big stars, no question. Legends. But without Bob's writing at the beginning...this thing doesn't happen. These songs don't take their final shape. Period. Some of Bob's lyrics are Ozzy ANTHEMS (both verse and chorus lyrics, depending on song...)I believe it Bob and even Lee deserve their do. Not being included in monies, documentaries, etc is wrong. The Osbourne's actually should owe Bob a big fat thank you continually for largely helping launch them into the stratosphere.
I don't find it tiresome. What i find tiresome, is Sharon and Ozzy leaving everybody that helped them in the dust, as opposed to treating a few with tremendous gratitude (because they can....because of the way the business was structured and could be manipulated). Bob, Lee, Jake, suing Tony Iommi...the list goes on

halo8th wrote:it's NOT all about Randy and Ozzy. At the very least, it's about Randy, Ozzy, and Bob. If Bob doesn't write a large part of those songs on the 1st 2 albums....there is no millions in the bank for the Osbournes. There are no mansions. No big tours. Without those big songs such as Crazy Train, Flying High Again, Osbourne's career doesn't roll over into mega-status. He is a small hall draw at best (similar to someone like a Glenn Hughes).
Although there are 2 sides to every story, Bob sure doesn't srike me as a liar. When he says he wrote "suicide solution" for one example...i just can't believe he's lying about that.

Ozzy and Randy. Big stars, no question. Legends. But without Bob's writing at the beginning...this thing doesn't happen. These songs don't take their final shape. Period. Some of Bob's lyrics are Ozzy ANTHEMS (both verse and chorus lyrics, depending on song...)I believe it Bob and even Lee deserve their do. Not being included in monies, documentaries, etc is wrong. The Osbourne's actually should owe Bob a big fat thank you continually for largely helping launch them into the stratosphere.
I don't find it tiresome. What i find tiresome, is Sharon and Ozzy leaving everybody that helped them in the dust, as opposed to treating a few with tremendous gratitude (because they can....because of the way the business was structured and could be manipulated). Bob, Lee, Jake, suing Tony Iommi...the list goes on

This is precisely why I havent purchased the box set. Except, like I said, I think Ozzy is mostly oblivious. I blame Sharon.

AceVader wrote:

halo8th wrote:it's NOT all about Randy and Ozzy. At the very least, it's about Randy, Ozzy, and Bob. If Bob doesn't write a large part of those songs on the 1st 2 albums....there is no millions in the bank for the Osbournes. There are no mansions. No big tours. Without those big songs such as Crazy Train, Flying High Again, Osbourne's career doesn't roll over into mega-status. He is a small hall draw at best (similar to someone like a Glenn Hughes).
Although there are 2 sides to every story, Bob sure doesn't srike me as a liar. When he says he wrote "suicide solution" for one example...i just can't believe he's lying about that.

Ozzy and Randy. Big stars, no question. Legends. But without Bob's writing at the beginning...this thing doesn't happen. These songs don't take their final shape. Period. Some of Bob's lyrics are Ozzy ANTHEMS (both verse and chorus lyrics, depending on song...)I believe it Bob and even Lee deserve their do. Not being included in monies, documentaries, etc is wrong. The Osbourne's actually should owe Bob a big fat thank you continually for largely helping launch them into the stratosphere.
I don't find it tiresome. What i find tiresome, is Sharon and Ozzy leaving everybody that helped them in the dust, as opposed to treating a few with tremendous gratitude (because they can....because of the way the business was structured and could be manipulated). Bob, Lee, Jake, suing Tony Iommi...the list goes on

This is precisely why I havent purchased the box set. Except, like I said, I think Ozzy is mostly oblivious. I blame Sharon.

same here. ZZY DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER MOST OF THOSE DAYS BACK THEN. ROLLING BLACKOUTS COME TO MIND.

Bongo Christ wrote:Beyond tiresome. There's no question about their contribution to Blizzard and Diary or that they were shat on with the re-recordings but everyone makes mistakes, get over it. It's all about Ozzy and Randy, they know that and you know that. Taking Bob's word as gospel and dismissing Ozzy's or Sharon's version of events is delusional at best.

That is your opinion, which you are most certainly entitled to, but it is like saying Zeppelin is all about Robert & Jimmy.
Elton John has a wonderful talent, but how far would he have gone without the words of Bernie Taupin?
Folks tend to believe Bob moreso, as his story hasn't changed over the years, but you can't say the same for Ozzy and/or Sharon.
If folks are expected to believe the Osbournes are fair and honest people, then why is it that not only were Daisley and Kerslake slighted in the doc, that was expected, but where were Airey, Cook, Norman, Mertons, anyone from the Rhoads family, Tangye?
I guess their recollections of events would differ greatly from Ozzy and Sharon's.
Ozzy doesn't remember a lot of the 70s or the 80s, his drug and alcohol use is/was historic and his memory has paid heavily...have you seen the trailer for God Bless Ozzy Osbourne? He cannot recall the year his daughter Jessica was born, and you can see the shame and embarrassment on his face.
With that being said, how is this man any sort of authority on the events between 1979 and 81? Supposedly Sharon didn't return from business dealings in the states until August of 80, after Blizzard had been recorded, but she's writing herself into the history, and Ozzy goes along with it, as he can't remember if she was there or not. I'm not about to believe what she has to say, as once again, she brings out her sad and desperate tale of a tryst with Randy in Guitar World. This isn't one of her ridiculous talk shows, or a tabloid, plus, the man isn't around to defend himself. It's low budget, and I'm sure his family doesn't appreciate it much, but what can they do? What can anyone do? She's Sharon Osbourne and she does what she wants, and that includes shitcanning the Southampton disc and leaving extended versions of three songs off the box, just because she doesn't want these two guys getting any more credit or cash. God forbid she part with her beloved money!!
The box is bittersweet as it's a lot of material we didn't have, but there was so much more we could have had, but spite and jealousy prevented that.

From Classic Rock Magazine, October of 2010:

Finding the rest of the line-up would prove more problematic. In her 2005 autobiography, Extreme, Sharon depicts the rhythm section – former Uriah Heep drummer Lee Kerslake and ex-Rainbow bassist Bob Daisley – as talented but unlikeable, and their recruitment as a last resort when other players, including Cozy Powell, priced themselves out of contention.

“The instant I saw the band together,” she wrote, “I could see the dynamics didn’t work, but we were too far down the line.”

Excuse me? There's a couple of bootlegs that say otherwise!

It's clear that this woman has a fever, and the only thing that's gonna cure it is...more Tito!!

Peace
~T.

LOL.. The dynamics didn't work huh.. I guess thats why Bob was brought back NUMEROUS times over the years to help Ozzy write.. What a hag she is..

Funny thing is, almost allof the pics of the Ozzy, Randy, Bob, Lee line up shows them smiling and laughing. I bet they had a blast. The reason why Sharon got rid of them is because they got along TOO WELL and that means Sharon was an outsider.

I still think Ozzy is the main cog in everything (not that people around don't think that mind you). Whether it was Sabbath, Ozzy early days, Ozzy no more tears and the 90's or now......the one constant is Ozzy Osbourne. That man has a genious mind for melody. And your average listener hones in on melody more than anything else in a song. Ozzy always said when he heard the Beatles, he knew the key to success was coming up with good melodies.

Yes Ozzy has been blessed (he says so himself) with great musicians to work with.....but he chose them, they didn't choose him. He's always known what he was doing.

no one seems to ever talk about what really happend.

No one WANTED to get rid of Bob. They wanted to fire Lee. Ozzy, Sharon AND RANDY had a crush on Tommy Aldridge before they ever even hired Lee but Tommy was busy with another project at the time. When Tommy became available they finally could bring him in. Bob bucked "if it ain't broke don't fix it". So they fired them both. Randy admited in interviews that "TOMMY HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAVORITE DRUMMER."

Well i know of one person who can be a referee on both sides of the camp. Dave Tangye who was Ozzy's PA from his Black Sabbath days up to his early career with the first line up with Bob & Lee until the first USA tour in 1981. He was always with Ozzy and he seen all the goings on with Bob & Lee being fired etc. Does he still keep in touch with Ozzy & $haron ? No... But does he keep in touch with Bob ? Yes. So if he did think for what ever reason that Bob was just a money grabbing bass player / writer. Who deserved to be kicked out the band ?. Why out of all the band members is he the one who he stays in touch with ?. He still does see Ozzy now and then, i think the last time was the Sabbath reunion during the Ozzfest in the UK.
Those players are vital ingredients to the bands nucleus. You take them away and you end up with a bastardised version like the Bordin & Trojillo versions. Bob literally left on the strength of his support for Lee. Ozzy had always wanted Tommy Aldridge as his first choice of drummer, from seeing him play with Black Oak Arkansas when they supported Sabbath back in the 70's. So when $haron had a chance meeting with Tommy who had just left the Pat Travers band. It was time for a reshuffle Tommy in and Lee out. Which was understandable but not in the eyes of Bob. Remember that he was the only drummer who was giving the big ok out of all the band when they auditioned him including Randy.