Ultimate Rhoads

Besides YLAMLAY and YSIA, were there any other BOO or DOAMM unreleased tunes?

Were there any tunes that were started and scrapped? Anything? Even bits and pieces?

Also, wouldn't it be sweet if for the 30th anniversary, Ozzy toured and played both the entire BOO and DOAMM albums, and better yet - had Rudy, Tommy, and Zakk Wylde on guitar, and better yet, the castle stage!

AndrewT1976 wrote:Also, wouldn't it be sweet if for the 30th anniversary, Ozzy toured and played both the entire BOO and DOAMM albums, and better yet - had Rudy, Tommy, and Zakk Wylde on guitar, and better yet, the castle stage!

OR Bob Lee and Randy Chambers, will never happen though

For one, there is absolutely nothing that was left behind, aside from the extended outros of previously existing songs. The only thing the band worked on but never recorded, if you want to take it that far, would be the "Band Jam" that was developed during the Diary tour.
I can understand folks wishing there were more of Randy's work lying around...half of a new album, perhaps, but it was not to be.
Who was he writing with? Don? Perhaps. Ozzy? That relationship was deteriorating as was Ozzy's health, mind and voice. Sarzo? He couldn't write lyrics or music
Please, let's not start the whole "The solo in 'SoTired' sounds like Randy" they hadn't started work on the next album as Randy was looking for a way out of his contract. The only part of Randy that is present on BATM is his influence, as he helped shape Ozzy's sound.
For another, only three songs were ever played live from Diary, as Ozzy either had problems with the time signatures, (title track), or he was unable to recreate his vocals in a live setting. That's why OTM was the opener, so his pipes would be fresh...and why we've never heard it since.
A recreation of the BOO/DOAM tour(s) would be an auto-tuned, pinch-harmoniced travesty. The original Diary tour had enough tragedy, some things are best left in the past.
The best way I could describe it would be to look at the VH tour with Roth back in the band from '07. Did they light the world on fire like everyone thought?
No. They were older men attemting to recapture their youth when they were talented, handsome and dangerous. In the Here and Now, folks felt sorry for them and wished they had left that memory alone after all.

~T.

All great points. Has anything been said as to why the Diary tour sounded so rough? I mean, it's been said that even Randy's performances the last few months were lacking. Strange. They were probably tired of Ozzy being geeked out, and also probably tired of the set list. It seems strange that there really isn't much from the Diary tour, but I guess it is what it is.

whoopiecat wrote:For one, there is absolutely nothing that was left behind, aside from the extended outros of previously existing songs. The only thing the band worked on but never recorded, if you want to take it that far, would be the "Band Jam" that was developed during the Diary tour.
I can understand folks wishing there were more of Randy's work lying around...half of a new album, perhaps, but it was not to be.
Who was he writing with? Don? Perhaps. Ozzy? That relationship was deteriorating as was Ozzy's health, mind and voice. Sarzo? He couldn't write lyrics or music
Please, let's not start the whole "The solo in 'SoTired' sounds like Randy" they hadn't started work on the next album as Randy was looking for a way out of his contract. The only part of Randy that is present on BATM is his influence, as he helped shape Ozzy's sound.
For another, only three songs were ever played live from Diary, as Ozzy either had problems with the time signatures, (title track), or he was unable to recreate his vocals in a live setting. That's why OTM was the opener, so his pipes would be fresh...and why we've never heard it since.
A recreation of the BOO/DOAM tour(s) would be an auto-tuned, pinch-harmoniced travesty. The original Diary tour had enough tragedy, some things are best left in the past.
The best way I could describe it would be to look at the VH tour with Roth back in the band from '07. Did they light the world on fire like everyone thought?
No. They were older men attemting to recapture their youth when they were talented, handsome and dangerous. In the Here and Now, folks felt sorry for them and wished they had left that memory alone after all.

~T.

Shazzzzaaaaam!!

whoopiecat wrote:That's why OTM was the opener, so his pipes would be fresh...and why we've never heard it since

by since you mean when jake played in during the 1983 tour right

whoopiecat wrote:For one, there is absolutely nothing that was left behind, aside from the extended outros of previously existing songs. The only thing the band worked on but never recorded, if you want to take it that far, would be the "Band Jam" that was developed during the Diary tour.
I can understand folks wishing there were more of Randy's work lying around...half of a new album, perhaps, but it was not to be.
Who was he writing with? Don? Perhaps. Ozzy? That relationship was deteriorating as was Ozzy's health, mind and voice. Sarzo? He couldn't write lyrics or music
Please, let's not start the whole "The solo in 'SoTired' sounds like Randy" they hadn't started work on the next album as Randy was looking for a way out of his contract. The only part of Randy that is present on BATM is his influence, as he helped shape Ozzy's sound.
For another, only three songs were ever played live from Diary, as Ozzy either had problems with the time signatures, (title track), or he was unable to recreate his vocals in a live setting. That's why OTM was the opener, so his pipes would be fresh...and why we've never heard it since.
A recreation of the BOO/DOAM tour(s) would be an auto-tuned, pinch-harmoniced travesty. The original Diary tour had enough tragedy, some things are best left in the past.
The best way I could describe it would be to look at the VH tour with Roth back in the band from '07. Did they light the world on fire like everyone thought?
No. They were older men attemting to recapture their youth when they were talented, handsome and dangerous. In the Here and Now, folks felt sorry for them and wished they had left that memory alone after all.

~T.

I guess we should all follow you after you stated everything as fact. True, there isn't a lot out there and I doubt any unreleased studio songs. However, we KNOW Bob has the grail tapes. We DON'T KNOW what is on them. We may never hear them but it doesn't mean something doesn't exists as you have stated unequivocally. By the way, those VH shows were great. I for one was very happy for that. They were musicians playing their craft. I guess you like to see younger boys jumping around? I guess you were using your eyes instead of your ears. Were you looking for bulges? Did you actually go to a 2007 show? for one, Romeo Delight had the added bass middle part (like the guitar intro) that was very cool. Most bands don't arrange anything different or play outside what they played in the studio. David Lee Roth did a great job, all things considered and didn't Blah Blah Blah like he used to. In a world where the music has become stale, VH is a shining beacon. VH is a national treasure! Watch your mouth son!

hansolo wrote:

whoopiecat wrote:For one, there is absolutely nothing that was left behind, aside from the extended outros of previously existing songs. The only thing the band worked on but never recorded, if you want to take it that far, would be the "Band Jam" that was developed during the Diary tour.
I can understand folks wishing there were more of Randy's work lying around...half of a new album, perhaps, but it was not to be.
Who was he writing with? Don? Perhaps. Ozzy? That relationship was deteriorating as was Ozzy's health, mind and voice. Sarzo? He couldn't write lyrics or music
Please, let's not start the whole "The solo in 'SoTired' sounds like Randy" they hadn't started work on the next album as Randy was looking for a way out of his contract. The only part of Randy that is present on BATM is his influence, as he helped shape Ozzy's sound.
For another, only three songs were ever played live from Diary, as Ozzy either had problems with the time signatures, (title track), or he was unable to recreate his vocals in a live setting. That's why OTM was the opener, so his pipes would be fresh...and why we've never heard it since.
A recreation of the BOO/DOAM tour(s) would be an auto-tuned, pinch-harmoniced travesty. The original Diary tour had enough tragedy, some things are best left in the past.
The best way I could describe it would be to look at the VH tour with Roth back in the band from '07. Did they light the world on fire like everyone thought?
No. They were older men attemting to recapture their youth when they were talented, handsome and dangerous. In the Here and Now, folks felt sorry for them and wished they had left that memory alone after all.

~T.

I guess we should all follow you after you stated everything as fact. True, there isn't a lot out there and I doubt any unreleased studio songs. However, we KNOW Bob has the grail tapes. We DON'T KNOW what is on them. We may never hear them but it doesn't mean something doesn't exists as you have stated unequivocally. By the way, those VH shows were great. I for one was very happy for that. They were musicians playing their craft. I guess you like to see younger boys jumping around? I guess you were using your eyes instead of your ears. Were you looking for bulges? Did you actually go to a 2007 show? for one, Romeo Delight had the added bass middle part (like the guitar intro) that was very cool. Most bands don't arrange anything different or play outside what they played in the studio. David Lee Roth did a great job, all things considered and didn't Blah Blah Blah like he used to. In a world where the music has become stale, VH is a shining beacon. VH is a national treasure! Watch your mouth son!

Also dont forget that randy was heavily into classical guitar in the last parts of his life and if i remember rightly one of the items of randys taken off the tour bus was a cassette recorder, Im sure randy would have recorded lots of classical related stuff on those tapes, even if it was just to analyse his own performance. Wouldnt that be great and a true tribute to randy to have a classical guitar album released from these tapes if they do exist.

jas.

Randy wrote a song with Lyndsey Bridgewater or atleast thats what Lyndsey claims. John Thomas of Budgie claims he wrote asong with Randy too. Bob Daisley himself said that "so tired" was somewhat influenced by a piece Randy was working on. Without the Blizz of Ozz or Diary albums ever being released a song like "Bark at the Moon" would never exist. Delores Rhoads told me back at the 2001 memorial that 'there wasnt quite enough material for a 3rd album".What she meant by that statement, I dont know but those were her words. Straight from Randy's mom. Remember too were talking about Randy who was pretty prolific, basically a song writing machine. So while I dont think theres a bunch of finished Ozzy/Randy songs sitting in a vault somewhere that we havent heard. I do believe we havent heard it all yet.

Donnie wrote:Without the Blizz of Ozz or Diary albums ever being released a song like "Bark at the Moon" would never exist.

maybe not for Ozzy, but Jake had it penned down when he still was with
pre-RATT band Mickey Rat

Yeah, Synth, OTM was played on the BATM tour, as late as August of 84...I guess I should have said 'hadn't been played in nearly thirty years'.

Jas, good point about the tapes Randy had recorded while touring. I'd love to hear what's om them. The acoustic work he did with Ozzy causes me to wonder if he would have ever wound up recording a film score or two, ala Ennio Morricone. I wonder if, given how he was looking beyond his current gig at that point, he were writing for himself, something that would come after his studies, be it a solo venture or another band.

Han, you seem to have a real knack for getting along with folks. I've stated nothing as "fact", rather my own opinion...no one has to follow me, I just thought I'd give Andrew my view on things, as he asked.
Yes, Bob does have Grail tapes, folks have also asked him time and again about unfinished/unreleased stuff, which he has always answered to in the negative. If there was anything left, I would imagine he would have worked it into one of the later Ozzy albums.
Are we to follow you now since you are stating as fact that the VH shows were great? Not sure why you're bringing up young boys, or bulges, or referring to me as 'son' as I am older than you If you were hoping to meet up, I'm really not into that, thanks just the same.
Nah, I didn't attend that tour. I gave up on arena shows a long time ago, and I can't get into shows where bands still think it's 1985.
I've said it before: Edward Van Halen has squandered his health, his life and his talent. His last full album of material was thirteen years ago.
My comments about VH more or less came from the opinions of the members of rotharmy.com, another forum I'm a member at. A lot of those guys were less than satisfied with what they saw and heard in the vocals the guitar and the suspect bass playing. VH were a great band a long time ago, and I rate their first six albums way up there, but, (in my own opinion), what they're hoping to find now has long since gone.
What I like about Ultimaterhoads is most folks come here to have a conversation, but you seem to like to instigate, instead.
You are entitled to your own opinions just as I am. Please don't tell me to watch my mouth, especially since you like to run yours.

~Tom

whoopiecat wrote:Yeah, Synth, OTM was played on the BATM tour, as late as August of 84...I guess I should have said 'hadn't been played in nearly thirty years'.

Jas, good point about the tapes Randy had recorded while touring. I'd love to hear what's om them. The acoustic work he did with Ozzy causes me to wonder if he would have ever wound up recording a film score or two, ala Ennio Morricone. I wonder if, given how he was looking beyond his current gig at that point, he were writing for himself, something that would come after his studies, be it a solo venture or another band.

Han, you seem to have a real knack for getting along with folks. I've stated nothing as "fact", rather my own opinion...no one has to follow me, I just thought I'd give Andrew my view on things, as he asked.
Yes, Bob does have Grail tapes, folks have also asked him time and again about unfinished/unreleased stuff, which he has always answered to in the negative. If there was anything left, I would imagine he would have worked it into one of the later Ozzy albums.
Are we to follow you now since you are stating as fact that the VH shows were great? Not sure why you're bringing up young boys, or bulges, or referring to me as 'son' as I am older than you If you were hoping to meet up, I'm really not into that, thanks just the same.
Nah, I didn't attend that tour. I gave up on arena shows a long time ago, and I can't get into shows where bands still think it's 1985.
I've said it before: Edward Van Halen has squandered his health, his life and his talent. His last full album of material was thirteen years ago.
My comments about VH more or less came from the opinions of the members of rotharmy.com, another forum I'm a member at. A lot of those guys were less than satisfied with what they saw and heard in the vocals the guitar and the suspect bass playing. VH were a great band a long time ago, and I rate their first six albums way up there, but, (in my own opinion), what they're hoping to find now has long since gone.
What I like about Ultimaterhoads is most folks come here to have a conversation, but you seem to like to instigate, instead.
You are entitled to your own opinions just as I am. Please don't tell me to watch my mouth, especially since you like to run yours.

~Tom

Tom, I admit I do call people out. There is a lot of humor in the emails and I was glad you understood with bulges (to each his own). And I wanted to finish the quote. "Watch your mouth, kid or you'll find yourself floating home..."
"For one, there is absolutely nothing that was left behind, aside from the extended outros of previously existing songs." - That is a finite statement and perhaps you should of worded it IMHO. You didn't go to the VH shows but based your opinion on what other people said, thanks for the honesty but it wasn't your real opinon it was someone else. At least I saw them to give an opinion. By the way, in this world of phony people I shake people up and they then reveal their real feelings. Most people can't function unless they follow someone or something. LIKE THE NO SPOILER ALERT ON A FORUM TO DISCUSS RR STUFF! THIS IS WHY I COME HERE!

I have always thought "So Tired" sounded like a Rhoads tune. Some more to but really it's been so long since I listened to post RR Ozzy it's hard to remember which ones. Practically everything associated with RR is speculative, which is a bummer, but makes for good conversation.

What I do find hard to believe is that there were no half finished songs, or songs that the band just felt were not worthy. Heck every band writes songs that either are not considered good enough or never get finished until later. I do find it hard to believe the band wrote just enough material and it was all included on those two albums with nothing left over. Just does not seem normal. Especially when Ozzy's career was at stake with a debut solo record. I do know LAYLAM along with YSIA were left overs, but they got recorded. What didn't or what might have that we haven't heard.

VH back in the day was a great band. I am in agreement that EVH has been a huge disappointment for years. I have seen youtube stuff from 07 that made me think I'm glad I didn't go. I have seen some things where I kind of felt sorry for him. Very sloppy playing and a solo spot that I thought I could have played something more impressive (well at least something more coherent). His playing just has not impressed for a long time.

true but he invented something fresh as far as guitar playing goes...but he fell into the hype booze and peruvian flake...and his playing suffered but i have to give it to evh he kept it goin for a long time!!!!!other than that i agree with you on his recent live shows...its finally taking its toll...