News on Bob's "Grail" tapes...

[whoopiecat]

I happened by Bob's FB page today where a fan inquired about the forthcoming box and Bob had this to say:

Bob Daisley Hi Mark, I offered my rare tapes of our writing and rehearsal sessions from 1979, 1980 and 1981 to them, as bonus material for the re-releases, for a royalty but they turned me down and said that Lee and I aren't getting royalties for our performances, as has been the case in the past. Neither Lee nor I have been consulted or considered in any of this, to them we're nobodies. However, to answer your question, we have and will continue to receive our songwriting royalties though. Thanks for your support, Bob.

What a complete and total douchebag she is! This box is going to be great, but Bob's material could have made it so much better.
Sadly, I feel I already know the answer to this, but I wonder if she is going to let him release it on his own?
I'm sorry, but how the fuck is this a smart decision from a business/management standpoint?

At the very least, they're getting their performances restored, that's the important thing, and that they're getting paid something.
She's fucking poison!

[Trigger]

Bobs audio seems like it will remain unheard by everyone who would fully understand its importance and apreciate its beauty, very sad indeed.

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

I defended her recently on here too. That is just so damn mean and bitter!

Matt

[Tito]

now this sucks fuckin cojones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!jesus it could have been so much more in depth with bobs material....lets hope she "consulted" with tommy or don as far as what they may still have?DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Remedylane]

Yeah, it does seem that Sharon is a.... well.. A not very nice person.. But at the same time, this is a whole lot of he said, she said crap. You know, the whole,"Your side, "my side" and then the "truth side" thats always somewhere in the middle. Ive said before, it seems the only way people are interested in Randys legacy is if they can make a buck off of it.

So Bob gets song writing royalties and not performance royalties from what I gather.. Hes sued the Osbournes before, and as far as I know, hes lost each time. Is he gonna sue them again when this box set comes out? Why offer his grail tapes for a "royalty"? Why not just let them use the stuff on the box set? you know, FOR RANDY.

All people want to do is make a dollar.. Its sickening. Truth be know, Bob probably wanted some ungodly amount for the tapes. Id LOVE to sit down in a room with Bob, Lee, The Osbournes, The Rhoads family. Because quite frankly, all them only seem concerned about whatever money they can make. Its like this 150 dollar box set that I HAVE to buy.. Don't get me wrong, I want the cds, I want the dvd, beyond that I could care less.. I just wish I had the option of buying those things only.. Then I could spend 50 bucks and not 150.. People say that 150 is a good deal. Is it really? So for 100 bucks im getting a book and 2 albums that i dont even want?? Of course im buying it, but still.. At this point we dont even know exactly how much Randy footage we are getting.. Apparently there are A LOT of us Randy fans that will even pay 150 bucks even if we only get 3 or 4 performances.

Why cant Bob put these tapes out? He has song writing credits right? Im sure he would get sued, but heck, if I were him, Id let it "accidentally" slip out to the bootleg community.. Dont get me wrong guys, Im not questioning what Randy means to Bob, The Rhoads family, or even Sharon and Ozz for that matter.. Im just saying that its a little sad that it all boils down to what money they can make off of him. Randy will mean the same to me even if nothing new ever came out. RIP Randy.


Matt

[axeman_12656]

Yeah, it does seem that Sharon is a.... well.. A not very nice person.. But at the same time, this is a whole lot of he said, she said crap. You know, the whole,"Your side, "my side" and then the "truth side" thats always somewhere in the middle. Ive said before, it seems the only way people are interested in Randys legacy is if they can make a buck off of it.

So Bob gets song writing royalties and not performance royalties from what I gather.. Hes sued the Osbournes before, and as far as I know, hes lost each time. Is he gonna sue them again when this box set comes out? Why offer his grail tapes for a "royalty"? Why not just let them use the stuff on the box set? you know, FOR RANDY.

All people want to do is make a dollar.. Its sickening. Truth be know, Bob probably wanted some ungodly amount for the tapes. Id LOVE to sit down in a room with Bob, Lee, The Osbournes, The Rhoads family. Because quite frankly, all them only seem concerned about whatever money they can make. Its like this 150 dollar box set that I HAVE to buy.. Don't get me wrong, I want the cds, I want the dvd, beyond that I could care less.. I just wish I had the option of buying those things only.. Then I could spend 50 bucks and not 150.. People say that 150 is a good deal. Is it really? So for 100 bucks im getting a book and 2 albums that i dont even want?? Of course im buying it, but still.. At this point we dont even know exactly how much Randy footage we are getting.. Apparently there are A LOT of us Randy fans that will even pay 150 bucks even if we only get 3 or 4 performances.

Why cant Bob put these tapes out? He has song writing credits right? Im sure he would get sued, but heck, if I were him, Id let it "accidentally" slip out to the bootleg community.. Dont get me wrong guys, Im not questioning what Randy means to Bob, The Rhoads family, or even Sharon and Ozz for that matter.. Im just saying that its a little sad that it all boils down to what money they can make off of him. Randy will mean the same to me even if nothing new ever came out. RIP Randy.


Matt

good post

2 sides to every story

[chief]

So Bob gets song writing royalties and not performance royalties from what I gather.. Hes sued the Osbournes
before, and as far as I know, hes lost each time. Is he gonna sue them again when this box set comes out? Why offer his grail tapes for a "royalty"? Why not just let them use the stuff on the box set? you know, FOR RANDY

While I totally respect your opinion, and have often felt the same kind of frustration about this entire situation, Bob would be a fool to turn over his tapes "for Randy" or anybody else, without being compensated. I don't know Bob personally, but did play in a band with a friend of his. He even played on one of their CD's before I was in the band. It was related to me, that Bob and Lee were continually told by those in the legal community (including some judges), that they're lawsuit was a slam dunk win. Not even close. But when the judgements came down, time after time, they lost. Take from that what you will. Bottom line is, Bob (and to a lesser extent, Lee) have been taking it in the you know what by the Osbournes for a long time. Take a look at your copy of BATM. I don't know if it's changed since I got my CD, but on the back it says all songs written by Ozzy Osbourne. Bob and Jake both signed away their rights when strong armed by Sharon. 2/3 of those songs were not written by Ozzy, yet he reaps all the credit. Of course, a lot of people on here would say they would never sign that away, but most would in a heart beat. Between being in one of the biggest bands in the world, and Sharon constantly dangling carrots that she's gonna make things right, most wouldn't leave.

It's a nice sentiment to want him to offer up his tapes gratis, but would you honestly give someone, who owes you millions of dollars, the "holy grail" that would ensure them much better sales on their new boxed set, that you know you're not going to get royalties on??? Bob just wants to be paid what he earned. I assure you he's not sitting around counting his stacks of money. More than likely, he's just trying to make sure he's got money to live on til he's gone. There's not a big market for aging rock bass players, no matter how good they are.

I love Randy as much as anybody on these boards and would kill to hear those tapes, but I'd be pissed if Bob just gave those tapes to Sharon. Just my two cents...

[whoopiecat]

In regards to another lawsuit, it can't happen, as the last case was dismissed by the Supreme Court in 2004, and once you go that route, win or lose, the case is all done, never to be persued any further.
What I don't understand is how he has these. Would they not be considered part of Jet's and ultimately Sony's property?
I'm suprised she hasn't pursued this and demanded the tapes be handed over to Sony.
I don't think he can use them, as Ozzy is on there, through voice, lyric and melody I suppose.
Plus, unless I'm mistaken, Sharon does own portions of Randy's estate, so there's that too.
I don't imagine Bob is destitute, but I doubt he's as well off as the Osbournes. I don't think there's anything wrong with him trying to make something from these tapes. Personally, I'd think him foolish to simply hand them over to Sharon. She would have something else to slap an exorbitant price tag on, and what would Bob be left with? Everyone thinking what a swell guy he is?
The sad thing is, I'd be willing to bet Ozzy wishes he could be friends with these guys again and set things right, but that'll never happen, unless of course, someone were to hook him up with another case of Russian vodka
"We've decided, you've got to go!"

[Cpt Matt Sparrow]

It's a nice sentiment to want him to offer up his tapes gratis, but would you honestly give someone, who owes you millions of dollars, the "holy grail" that would ensure them much better sales on their new boxed set, that you know you're not going to get royalties on??? Bob just wants to be paid what he earned. I assure you he's not sitting around counting his stacks of money. More than likely, he's just trying to make sure he's got money to live on til he's gone. There's not a big market for aging rock bass players, no matter how good they are.

I love Randy as much as anybody on these boards and would kill to hear those tapes, but I'd be pissed if Bob just gave those tapes to Sharon. Just my two cents...

I see your point and think IF Bob's case is exactly as it seems, then giving stuff away on the house is not right. Ethics ie what is right come before seeing this stuff at all costs!!!

Matt

[Tito]

i agree with chief and tom....@tom "We've decided, you've got to go!" i almost choked man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Remedylane]

If Bob is owed "millions" then the supreme court sure doesnt see it that way since they dismissed his law suits.. And Im not at all saying that he should give the tapes away.. Im sure he could make copies in a studio to give the Osbournes.. And to be honest, what is he really even gonna do with them? Leave them sitting in his closet tucked away in a box? So at the end of the day whether he gives them to Sharon, or just leaves them in his closet., he gets no money.. Why must everyone be compensated for something?? And like Whoopie said, how does he even have these tapes? And as I said, maybe he wanted a ridiculous amount for the tapes, maybe thats why the Osbournes didnt take them.. Bob said he only asked for royalties, well, what kind of royalties? He already gets song writers royalties. Im not saying Bob hasnt been screwed, but why hold these "grail" tapes over everyones head and not share them somehow? Even if he streamed them on his damn website, that would at least be something..


Matt

[sytharnia]

a question......

Do "band members" ever receive performance royalties???....my understanding is that only the composer and the publisher have ever received performance royalties


I know bob always insists that blizzard of ozz was a partnership but clearly the courts don't agree. Obviously somewhere in the contract he has signed states that he was a hired musician who was paid a wage and composer royalties (which he still receives).....end of story really


as for the grail stuff, I have very little interest in it, yes it would be cool to hear what randy was working on but ultimately it's not something randy would have wanted release in its raw form

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

yes it would be cool to hear what randy was working on but ultimately it's not something randy would have wanted release in its raw form

No basis in fact.

[sytharnia]

yes it would be cool to hear what randy was working on but ultimately it's not something randy would have wanted release in its raw form

No basis in fact.

Well randy wasn't overly keen on the quiet riot stuff getting attention once he had the ozzy gig......
He also was VERY paranoid about his tone (esp on the diary tour) so it doesn't take a genius to figure out he most likely wouldn't have liked any in studio jams, where he probably work on his guitar sound for all of 10 seconds.

See i'm picking a lot of these "tapes" are just from shitty mobile recording units at best

[Paul Wolfe]

Well randy wasn't overly keen on the quiet riot stuff getting attention once he had the ozzy gig......

Actually, Randy was quoted as saying:

"We recorded two albums. The problem is that they were released only overseas. The second one was released in Japan in 1980. They're pretty good records. They're real rock and roll albums.There are some good songs and the playing is pretty hot. I'd like to see those albums get released over here, because, after all, we were an American band."

Randy contradicted himself on the QR stuff more than once...

Ultimately, though, this box set is about Ozzy, not Randy. The tapes Bob has would focus more on the band and not on Ozzy most likely. As in the band creating the music... which would lead to issues with the idea that it was "Ozzy and the hired guns" on the first two records.

Just as Randy's image has been protected, Ozzy's has, too. Bob's tapes might not show either Ozzy or Randy in the best light, depending on what's on those tapes... sure the playing would be tremendous, but what about the conversations?