Ultimate Rhoads

Sometimes I like to play make believe that Randy would have recorded another album with the Ozz.

The album would have been called "Killer of Giants" instead of "Bark at the Moon." The cover of the LP would have looked similar to Yngwie Malmsteen's Trilogy album (except - Randy would be aiming his Polka Dot V at the dragon and flames would be shooting).

I envisioned Randy would be such a "rock icon" and "big name" guitarist that Ozz would have agreed that Randy should be on the next cover?? An illustrated Randy fighting a dragon with his guitar.

Here are some track names:

1. Cannonball
2. The Hound of the Moors
3. Unearthly Night
4. Back Alley Combinations
5. Steal Away the Night (part 2)

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Any other suggestions??? Let's have fun and wonder....What IF??

Also - I believe that if Randy Rhoads had never died, then George Lynch would have been Ozzy's next guitarist.

Why?

Because Randy would have probably recorded 1-2 more albums which puts George Lynch in line at just about the time that Ozzy got Zakk for No rest for the Wicked, and come to think of it - Ozzy wouldn't have gotten someone who resembled Randy (because Randy would still be alive, so there wouldn't be the need to recapture that mystique).

Around 1987 George Lynch had totally "had it" with Dokken, and I'm sure the Ozz man would have scooped him up.

Jake E. Lee would have probably stayed with Ratt or maybe formed something similar to Badlands around 1984.

IF this is a likely scenario, then "Dream Warriors" could have very easily been an Ozzy tune on the Nightmare on Elm Street soundtrack.

I also think Randy Rhoads (had he lived) would have eventually moved to ESP guitars around 1986. He would have been playing guitars with the reverse head-stock.

Weird!!!!

I often wonder if the track Bark At The Moon wasn't in the writting process while Randy was still alive. Ozzy did mention the Bark At The Moon idea before Randy passed.. and to be honest.. to me it just sounds like something Randy would write all the way down to the last fill.

Wow, yeah! That's a great point.

I also thought the guitar solo for "So Tired" sounded VERY much like a Randy solo.....

Hmmmm??????? Those Osbournes - SKETHCY!!!

Randy would likely have played on the Speak of The Devil album instead of Brad G because we know that is what Ozzy wanted and Randy hated that idea and it was causing friction with him and Ozzy. My guess is that Randy would have maybe done another album, a tour and then probably left to go to UCLA and get away from Rock and Roll, sort of like Rik Emmett, maybe he would have come back eventually.

That sounds possible, but I'm not sure Speak of the Devil would have existed, and it (especially) probably wouldn't have been all Sabbath tunes. Then again, Sabbath was releasing a live album with Dio, and Ozzy wanted to probably show them who's the boss.

You wonder if Randy was still alive today - would he have eventually gone back to Ozzy's band for a reunion tour/album?

Something tells me that Randy would have maybe tapped into a more serious project after Ozzy. Obviously Classical music was important to him, so maybe he could have formed his own band eventually with a heavy Classical influence, like, say, maybe something like Savatage?

Who knows what would have happened.

I definitely think the next album he did with Ozzy would have had a more focused solo guitar track (something like Eruption) but maybe more classical sounding.

The band jam that they were doing live before Randy died hints at the fact that they might have included a track on the next album that was an instrumental. That's IF Sharon approved of it.

Speaking of instrumentals, if Lynch HAD joined the band, then in absolute certainty the instrumental Mr. Scary would have eventually made an album.

Would Randy have left Ozzy's band to join Quiet Riot since Mental Health became such a huge album. So weird to think that Rhoads may have left his own band (obviously being the superstar) and then his band going on to even BIGGER success. That's weird.

I reckon he wouldve been fired by oz n sharon after contract ageements (so does speak of the devil) then oz ods and falls out of hotel window, then randy went to play guitar on the classic track 'faith' by george michael .

Take with a bag of salt please.

haha - yeah! I guess anything is possible ))

axeman_12656 wrote:I often wonder if the track Bark At The Moon wasn't in the writting process while Randy was still alive. Ozzy did mention the Bark At The Moon idea before Randy passed.. and to be honest.. to me it just sounds like something Randy would write all the way down to the last fill.

Bark at the Moon was very Crazy Train-ish. I agree. Ive heard rumors of audio existing of Randy working on material for the next album. Im not sure if I think he had a hand it writing it or not but it's possible.

Ozzy Has Stated In More than One different articles (Durind Randys Life) about the "Concepts" for the albums Bark at the Moon & Giant Killer or Killer of Giants. Those (like Diary of a Madman) were both Concepts & Ideas Ozzy had rolling around his head for Years.

sorry to burst your bubble about bark at the moon but apart from the title that song is all jake and bob....in this interview jake said the riff was written when he was in rough cutt ( http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/new/node/249 ) ....I know ozzy made him change it a little (speed it up mainly) but it has nothing to do with randy. I also know that bob has said that nothing he and randy were working on has been used on other ozzy albums

AndrewT1976 wrote:Wow, yeah! That's a great point.

I also thought the guitar solo for "So Tired" sounded VERY much like a Randy solo.....

Hmmmm??????? Those Osbournes - SKETHCY!!!

Ditto

It would be ideal if Bob could talk about what the new ideas him and Randy were doing sounded like. Obviously DOAM was significantly different than BOO, so what did the ideas after DOAM sound like anyways? I also would love to know if any band members could recall some ideas Randy had a few days before he passed. I wonder who he last held a conversation with too. What can they tell us?

AndrewT1976 wrote:That sounds possible, but I'm not sure Speak of the Devil would have existed, and it (especially) probably wouldn't have been all Sabbath tunes. Then again, Sabbath was releasing a live album with Dio, and Ozzy wanted to probably show them who's the boss.

Actually Ozzy was getting ready to do a live all Sabbath cover album with Randy, Tommy and Rudy (which would later be called SOTD) because of some Sabbath contract obligations, (it's all in Rudy's book Off the Rails), and Randy hated the idea and it helped put him and Ozzy at odds, and Randy was said to have not been too happy near the end, not speaking to Ozzy all that much and practicing classical guitar day and night so he could be accepted into UCLA. Right before Randy died he told Ozzy he wanted to quit rock and roll, he was sick of the lifestyle and the circus that the tour had become and he wanted to get away and pursue a degree in classical guitar, and his mom said at the time of his death she was getting all the paperwork ready for Randy when he got off tour. I have no doubt Randy would have left the band to pursue different avenues of music.

I wish I could remember which article I read it in but Ozzy once said that Randy was experimenting with echo delay towards the end and that it sounded incredible. I'm guessing from what Oz said that RR was trying out a few things at some of the soundchecks to see how his new ideas sounded in the arenas right from the get-go.