Ultimate Rhoads

Never thought about it before but I think that's the way Randy would have wanted it if anything at all. Tommy is a lock, Rudy was not a great bass player but played the stuff note for note for years with ozzy.

this is an interesting idea? I have yet to listen to the new versions fully but I think it best to view those remasters as totaly different albums.

The problem is, even Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake could not have duplicated the originals, and made it sound as good or better than them. It was a moment in time with certain feelings and emotions that came through in the music, that cannot be duplicated. That's what is missing: the feeling...the emotion. You cannot reproduce that. The "re-masters" were a horrible idea and based on nothing but money (or spite). The idea that it was done to "freshen the songs up" is pure BS. The Osbournes need to settle their score with Daisley and Kerslake with regards to these two albums and be done with it. After that, they OWE the fans, and more importantly Randy Rhoads, the dignity of re-re-mastering those albums properly, including outtakes and outro's if any still exist, with the original performances, and a big fat apology to the rock n roll community that they screwed over with these two abominations. Perhaps a 30 anniversary special apology edition

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Shockwave wrote:Rudy was not a great bass player but played the stuff note for note for years with ozzy.

i beg to differ ... Mr Crowley beeing a prime example ...

Stiltzkin wrote:

Shockwave wrote:Rudy was not a great bass player but played the stuff note for note for years with ozzy.

i beg to differ ... Mr Crowley beeing a prime example ...

well I am posting from my phone so that's the easiest thing I I could think of that would be short and sweet. I know he did not play the. Note for note but he was able to.

My point is, was that they played these songs with Randy for almost 2yrs and knew him personally. They would have put more emotion into those songs than the originals, and yes they still would not have sounded as good. But they both could play with him just one more time

I can see where you're coming from, Shock. It shouldn't have been done to begin with, but if they were going to do it, Rudy and Tommy should have gotten the call.
Just out of curiosity, did the keys remain, or were those re-recorded as well?
Not sure if Johnny Cook & Don made any royalties, or if they were paid for their respective sessions.
Bob's bass playing on both is impossibly beautiful. Awesome warm tone. I wonder if Bob could today play something like GTR note for note?
I know most here play guitar, so your ears are drawn to what Randy is doing, but what this guy composed, and the way he was playing off both Randy and Lee...it was rare magic, and they hit that twice!
Ozzy has to regret breaking that group up today. If that band cut a third album together, they would have owned the metal/ hard rock community.
Not to be disrespectful, but a third album with Tommy and Rudy on board wouldn't have been as successful.
Tommy and Rudy are great performers. I am not taking away from their musicianship, but they aren't renowned for their writing abilities.

I had read somewhere that Sharon approached Tommy about re-recording the Drums on his joining,before Diry was released.He said he couldnt improve them as they were perfect already

I agree. Given Bob's talent for lyrics, Lee's input for melodies, and both of their inputs on song structure/music in general, a third album with them would have been amazing. Had Rudy and Tommy cut a third album, I don't doubt that it would have been very good but it certainly wouldn't have compared to the first two. It really makes you wonder.

Why re-do what is classic already?

tedeeoo wrote:Why re-do what is classic already?

to make money

NoQuattro wrote:I agree. Given Bob's talent for lyrics, Lee's input for melodies, and both of their inputs on song structure/music in general, a third album with them would have been amazing. Had Rudy and Tommy cut a third album, I don't doubt that it would have been very good but it certainly wouldn't have compared to the first two. It really makes you wonder.

I believe Tommy played on Bark At The Moon as well. so he has already proven himself there because that's a great album. though Bob certainly did help.

and i think both Tommy and Rudy joined Whitesnake a couple years later. which is another famous band (not nearly as big as Ozzy's band, but still fairly big in the 80's)

That is true, they did go on to record with others over the years, however, if I look at their respective discographies, there are very few albums I care to own. BATM is certainly one of them...I guess Metal Health would be the other, and Chuck Wright handled bass duties on three songs.
Condition Critical and Whitesnake's Slip of The Tounge were swan songs for both bands.
Again, not ripping on these guys. They play well and are fantastic performers, aside from Bark/Metal, the studio just wasn't their strong suit.

cableguyxx wrote:The problem is, even Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake could not have duplicated the originals, and made it sound as good or better than them. It was a moment in time with certain feelings and emotions that came through in the music, that cannot be duplicated. That's what is missing: the feeling...the emotion. You cannot reproduce that. The "re-masters" were a horrible idea and based on nothing but money (or spite). The idea that it was done to "freshen the songs up" is pure BS. The Osbournes need to settle their score with Daisley and Kerslake with regards to these two albums and be done with it. After that, they OWE the fans, and more importantly Randy Rhoads, the dignity of re-re-mastering those albums properly, including outtakes and outro's if any still exist, with the original performances, and a big fat apology to the rock n roll community that they screwed over with these two abominations. Perhaps a 30 anniversary special apology edition

Exactly.

The Flying Dutchman wrote:

cableguyxx wrote:The problem is, even Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake could not have duplicated the originals, and made it sound as good or better than them. It was a moment in time with certain feelings and emotions that came through in the music, that cannot be duplicated. That's what is missing: the feeling...the emotion. You cannot reproduce that. The "re-masters" were a horrible idea and based on nothing but money (or spite). The idea that it was done to "freshen the songs up" is pure BS. The Osbournes need to settle their score with Daisley and Kerslake with regards to these two albums and be done with it. After that, they OWE the fans, and more importantly Randy Rhoads, the dignity of re-re-mastering those albums properly, including outtakes and outro's if any still exist, with the original performances, and a big fat apology to the rock n roll community that they screwed over with these two abominations. Perhaps a 30 anniversary special apology edition

Exactly.

The best way to admit guilt and sooth us would be to release a concert video with Randy!