a question about the accident

Tito · Post by **Tito** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:12 am

ok i dont know how to ask this without offending anybody but i'll do my best..don airey says when he was taking pictures of the plane he saw a struggle between randy and andy..as far as the osbourne's andy had wanted to take out his wife etc.but we know randy was fed up with the circus and was trying every viable way out of his contract.now does anyone think that when randy saw no way out was it possible that he grabbed the yoke and decided this is the only way out?(the struggle in the cockpit)..personally, the way randy was with students/ people in general and the way he was raised wont let me believe that, but this is a question thats been bothering me for years!this accident dont add up..please dont take me as a conspiracy freak,im not..i just would like to know your thoughts on this..

JAY · Post by **JAY** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:41 am

I doubt it- but ever think of the someone messing with the pilots wife theory.???............she was on the bus with the band and the bosses wife/fiance wasn't off limits.........yuck. Another unfounded theory courtesy of the internet.

GUITARIDOL5682 · Post by **GUITARIDOL5682** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:08 am

I honestly think that if i was in that plane with an elderly woman (Rachael Youngblood) and the pilot started to play Mr stuntman. I want the plane back on the ground, i think Randy was very scared and the fun factor had stopped when the pilot decided to fly past the tour bus very low on more then one occasion. I think your first reaction would be to get that plane back up away from danger so he may of went for the joy stick. Which may have caused a heated discussion and it may have contributed to the fatal accident. It's all a guessing game and Andy Aycock had been driving all night fuelled on cocaine and in charge of the controls of the plane. All Randy wanted to do was to take off in the plane, snap a few aerial photographs etc and get back down on the ground. I'm sure Don Airey may have talked Randy into getting on that plane as we know he had a fear of flying. Randy went up to keep Rachael company and the rest is history. As far as Andy wanting to kill his wife ? who knows what was going through his mind ? he was high on coke. Was he not just trying to spook her by flying low ?. We could speculate on this for hours but i'm sure it was just an accident, a pilots error in flying too low .

RRfish · Post by **RRfish** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:35 am

Tito, your not offending anyone with your question. I seriously feel in my heart that Randy was trying to divert the plane from a coked up Pilot's intention. And that is only if what Don Airey has stated (which I believe to be true), that the planes wings were at eye level to Don as he observed , and he was taking photos of the occurrence. Randy loved too many here, family and friends, to want to end his life in such a manner. I guess, until Don ,and Tommy as well as Wanda, tell the story of the night prior to the occurrence, and why Tommy felt the need to get rid of the cocaine stash, we'll never know the real truth. Notice, I say occurrence instead of accident, because this was no accident. But when the people involved can get their winkies outside of their legs maybe all will be told. I just don't think the winkies are big enough yet, or never were. This may be controversial, but I have always wondered, when Andrew, Rachel, and Randy, all past from traumatic brain injuries due to the crash, why after the autopsies were done, and test results completed, that the only brain that went for more testing was Randy's ???????? Might be offending some by asking this question, but since the day I found this out some 20 years ago, I have always wondered. Maybe Tito you can ask KG or SB the answers, or hopefully Dee has kept a wonderful journal of her personal conversations with Don, Tommy etc. All I know is that Randy never brought this upon himself..............

Post by **Trigger** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:12 am

I think that if RR felt afraid for his life panic could have led to him grabbing at the controls! Planes are moving faster and less stable than cars but if any of you are drivers ferrying a nervous passenger, have you been driving along happily and safely when they suddenly shout out look out for that CAR!!!!!!!!! (or cyclist/person) it can really freak you out even if you knew they were there and you were fully aware of the road its users and all the conditions, I have had friends who have had passengers lunge at the wheel to take evasive actions even though they themselves are not drivers!?!?!?!
All I am saying is this, if the conversation and previous actions instilled fear of death, perhaps RR felt that his only chance of life was to make a desperate grab for the controls? I imagine any of us would do that if we interpreted what was going on in the microcosm that the plane was the fateful day.

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:43 pm

It would e great to hear from KG about what he has heard over the years if he is comfortable about talking about it.

The pictures Don has would be great to see or ven the ones Randy took that day

Rhoads-Fan · Post by **Rhoads-Fan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:03 pm

JMPMKII wrote:It would e great to hear from KG about what he has heard over the years if he is comfortable about talking about it.

The pictures Don has would be great to see or ven the ones Randy took that day

Did Randy's camera survive the crash? Don's pics are what I want to see. I wonder if Don has them anymore?

Rhoads-Fan · Post by **Rhoads-Fan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:06 pm

RRfish wrote:Tito, your not offending anyone with your question. I seriously feel in my heart that Randy was trying to divert the plane from a coked up Pilot's intention. And that is only if what Don Airey has stated (which I believe to be true), that the planes wings were at eye level to Don as he observed , and he was taking photos of the occurrence. Randy loved too many here, family and friends, to want to end his life in such a manner. I guess, until Don ,and Tommy as well as Wanda, tell the story of the night prior to the occurrence, and why Tommy felt the need to get rid of the cocaine stash, we'll never know the real truth. Notice, I say occurrence instead of accident, because this was no accident. But when the people involved can get their winkies outside of their legs maybe all will be told. I just don't think the winkies are big enough yet, or never were. This may be controversial, but I have always wondered, when Andrew, Rachel, and Randy, all past from traumatic brain injuries due to the crash, why after the autopsies were done, and test results completed, that the only brain that went for more testing was Randy's ???????? Might be offending some by asking this question, but since the day I found this out some 20 years ago, I have always wondered. Maybe Tito you can ask KG or SB the answers, or hopefully Dee has kept a wonderful journal of her personal conversations with Don, Tommy etc. All I know is that Randy never brought this upon himself..............

I'm curious how you know Randy's brain was sent for more testing? I've read Randy's autopsy report and that didn't come up.

Paul Wolfe · Post by **Paul Wolfe** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:58 pm

The 'need' to get rid of the coke was because it was a gallon bag on a bus full of rock stars! That's a LOT of coke and could/would lead to big-time charges and jail time. It's really simple, actually.

As for the crash, they sat up and watched Midway the night before. Ever see that movie? Lots of kamikaze runs at the battleships. Lots of low-flying aircraft... the next morning with the movie still in their heads the pilot simulated the stunts in the movie and got too close to the bus.

An accident, plain and simple.

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:01 pm

Paul Wolfe wrote:The 'need' to get rid of the coke was because it was a gallon bag on a bus full of rock stars! That's a LOT of coke and could/would lead to big-time charges and jail time. It's really simple, actually.

As for the crash, they sat up and watched Midway the night before. Ever see that movie? Lots of kamikaze runs at the battleships. Lots of low-flying aircraft... the next morning with the movie still in their heads the pilot simulated the stunts in the movie and got too close to the bus.

An accident, plain and simple.

Makes sense Paul, i knew they watched midway but i never knew what it was about. I probably would have been doing the same thing if i was the pilot the next day.

Paul Wolfe · Post by **Paul Wolfe** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:07 pm

Here is the original trailer to the film.

Tito · Post by **Tito** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:51 pm

thanks alot guys...i was a bit worried asking that kind of question..i didnt want to come off like i was bieng fresh...whatever doubts i had are gone as to my question....fish thanks alot dude...much appreciated everybody!!!

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:43 pm

This is why i like this forum better now, Even though i have been a member of rr.tk since 2002. This forum will let us talk about what we want.

NoQuattro · Post by **NoQuattro** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:00 pm

JMPMKII wrote:This is why i like this forum better now, Even though i have been a member of rr.tk since 2002. This forum will let us talk about what we want.

True. On TK the other day, somebody posted a Youtube link to the radio coverage of Randy's death from 3/19/82 and the first reply was along the lines of "you're gonna get blasted by the mods for posting that here." Sheesh. Evidently it's a touchy subject on that board. I don't know why, it's a crucial part of the RR story. It should be discussed.

Hopefully the documentary will clear up some things, but I fear it will only create more questions. I'd venture to say that a lot of the TK crew will probably leave the room when that part of the documentary comes on.

Tito · Post by **Tito** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:51 pm

no actually it was me that made that post and i wrote"willie you may get some heat for that post but i think its important for everyone to know these kind of things"turns out it was a broadcast someone had posted on youtube from old tapes they had from the accident the day it happened..