TAB wrote:Shockwave wrote:I think the problem is that people that have Randy footage want big dollars for it...Which i agree they should get. But it seems that any mention of money to the Osbournes for Randy footage is taken as an insult. I think Sharon is very protective of Randy's legacy and does not want people making money off of his name. And the fact that the shows were taped illegally also without the band's permission so that is the other angle.
I think the other huge part of this is that Ozzy probably never get's word of anything being offered as far as footage. It probably goes straight from Sharon's lawyers to Sharon, then she says fuck off or the lawyers have a standard response already without even contacting Sharon regarding footage/$$. I think Ozzy would say screw it and pay whatever someone wanted. But then again, they probably have hundreds of hours of home videos with Randy off stage in normal life which is good enough for them. They toured with the guy for two years...they don't need or want to see footage like we do since they lived it.
I am curious to know whether or not that college kid that shot the palladium footage got anything or did he just donate it...I can see Sharon giving 5k for something of that type, but anything more wanted they just take as an insult.
We know one show was definitely pro shot because Randy says so in the post card he sent back to the US. All efforts should be put forth into finding info out on that.
It's not the footage is worth anymore than others, it's really just to each his own. Some fans don't care about footage, photos etc, many do since there has been very little and Randy was sort of mysterious. When he died that day I felt robbed personally, I will never forget it. I just saw him play, I blew a chance to meet him. You bet I wanted to see live footage, I wanted so bad a bootleg of Over the Mountain. It stayed that way for years and years until things started slowly coming out, all except really good video. Now 30 years later. I did like the Rosemont Horizon video actually. Which I remember buying at a swap meet before feds busted those.
Like Rudy said the biggest question is what was it like playing with Randy, because no one really knows what he was like without these type of things available.
Good points, I am thinking that Sharon doesn't have any more footage of Randy. She might have small off stage stuff like the birthday wish, but even that came out for the thing she did about her. They would have cashed in on it back when they made Tribute. They had to dig up bad copy of After Hours just for CT video and fill it in with a bunch of great at the time many unseen photos. Back then if you were caught video taping guards would chase you. Now you would think maybe they confiscated video then, but sadly I think they never caught no one.
I don't think Sharon is protective of Randy's legacy, she wants to make the money off of him and no one else. Just like Bob's audio, same deal. She was not very nice to Randy when he was alive trying to force him into contracts to play music he didn't want to. He was treated like a hired hand.
Sadly money talks, some want big big money. I thought I read she paid for the box set material of the Palladium 2nd show from the college student about that much. Sharon i think does look at it as extortion. I don't know what the deal was for the New Mex. Diary stuff. Timing was good and she accepted it for the 30th Ann. box set so they could sell it. Otherwise it's trying to cash in on Randy and only she is going to do that.
Very good points here.
I find it interesting that in today's music world, it seems to be more liberal in some ways. By that, I mean filmed concerts, audio, and merchandise has gotten out to more people. Boots and the like are much more readily available to lots of people, not just collectors, which is great.
That being said, I think that there are still those that hold on to the old school mentality of collecting stuff like boots; they don't want to share them, or are afraid of reprisal from the artists. Fair enough. Interesting, though, that a lot of artists have welcomed boot footage and incorporated it into their own sets, as they realize that they themselves don't have the footage.....and that there is a market amongst diehard music fans, who will buy the set with rare footage. I tend to think that SO falls into the old school way of dealing with folks with boots - she sees them as a threat, and as someone cutting into her bottom line.
It's an unpopular opinion here, but I see SO as being a very shrewd businesswoman. I can't say I think she's always been right in how she's handled things, but that's not really my place to say, either. I DO credit her with pulling Ozzy out of the gutter, and giving the world the brand of Ozzy, though. I know many people don't like her, but she HAS forwarded his career, and realistically, kept him going personally and career-wise. My issues with her are more that it seems she was instrumental in tearing apart the original Blizzard of Ozz lineup, which was, for lack of a better term, lightning in a bottle. Her and Ozzy both knew once that lineup was changed, it was a huge mistake. Sharon has always been adamant that Daisley and Kerslake were this, that, and the other, but deep down, I'd bet that she knows that lineup could have produced a few more stellar albums. Which would have meant more money in her pocket. She's no idiot, and she learned at the feet of Don Arden, who as we all know was notorious in his handling of musical talent.
In the end, I hope that more footage comes out - I'm certain there's more out there. It's my hope that whoever has it will either sell it to someone who will be able to share it, or to the O's, and that will see fit to release it as well. Ozzy is a big enough name, and there's enough interest in his early solo years that it'd be viable. The key for them, I think, would be to not put it in a large, expensive set like the one that was released. Just release it on DVD or Blu-Ray. Most of us own BOO and DOAM already, and those discs were unnecessary. I'm of two minds on that set - great that there was some footage, no matter how limited, released, and that at least there is some opportunity to see it, but sad that it was so pricey, and out of the means of many fans, which no doubt hurt the potential sales of the set. Figuring in the apparent failure of the box set in stores, online, and elsewhere, the powers that be have probably just thrown up their hands and said , "it's not worth releasing any more footage, even if we could get some". Sad, in that respect. That's why I think a single release of the footage, sans all the other extraneous trimmings, would have been, and would be, more viable.
Just my two cents, though!