Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:38 am
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Pretty much True. But Kevin had input regarding arrangements, and on-stage persona - both of which effected the overall sound. Before Kevin was around, Randy and Kelly were playing Alice Cooper type stuff, wherehas Kevin was a huge Humble Pie fan - Kevin's influences and style were more pop than you may think.It has been reported for years that the direction Quiet Riot took musically - especially at the time the first two records were recorded - was dictated by QR's management. They thought the glam/pop route was the best avenue for Quiet Riot and, since they were paying the bills, the boys did as they were told. The result was the poppy stuff we all have heard.
Could be...Delores just wanted Randy to grow beyond the local club scene, she basically wanted his artistic ability evolve beyond QR - it seems that the Ozzy opportunity came a knockin' at a pivitol point in Randy's career. Not so sure Ozzy would have come back as strong without Randy's input.that Delores was the sparkplug behind Randy joining Ozzy's band.
Not sure I totally agree with that assessment. Randy was always trying out new things when he played live, and in 1979 his main "competition" was EVH - I think Randy sounded closer to Ozzy in '79 than the rest of QR did, which limited Randy's ability to effect the overall sound. This would also explain the "harder edge" that appeared in the late-QR/pre-Ozzy days.Randy's playing in his practice time circa '78 and '79 was probably very much like what we hear with Ozzy. It just didn't fit Quiet Riot. So the "big change" is just the public version of his playing.
Not so sure about that. Randy played the "Rock Star" long before he joined Ozzy. I do think the Ozzy gig overwhelmed him a bit at the time, but I think he would have eventually adjusted/matured and, as I stated earlier, probably would have created a music "project" that continuously evolved throughout his career. Many musicians were doing this in the 70's and 80's and it would have given Randy complete control over everything regarding the music - which is what he wanted. I agree that he would not have toured relentlessly as he did with Ozzy, but I do not think he would have returned to an "ordinary" life, of course, that depends on your definition of "ordinary."He played guitar because he loved guitar, he had already tasted fame and would very likely have chosen to settle into a more ordinary life.
Completely agree, and Randy has said something along these lines.I believe Randy would have taken the ingredients that Mozart or Beethoven used and created his own stuff. He understood the concept of how classical pieces were built and used those concepts to build his own pieces.
Absolutely disagree. I find it pretty incredible that you would compare Randy to Rick Nielson of Cheap Trick. The thing about Randy is that NO OTHER PLAYER at the time was approaching the instrument as he did - this would have continued to evolve, improving with age. People still speak of Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Page, and even EVH!!! I believe Randy would have ended up better than all of these great players - He was THAT GOOD - of course, we'll never know for sure.The last thing I'd like to say is that if he'd lived, I don't think any of these message boards would exist. I don't think Randy Rhoads would be the "name" he is now. I think he would have faded into obscurity - "that guy who played on Ozzy's first two records". A lot of bands came and went over the last 40 years with fabulous musicians in them. A lot of those musicians are still around but we never think about them or talk about them, regardless of whether or not we still listen to their music. For example, when's the last time you read an article about Rick Nielsen?
And everyone you mentioned has more than 2 records out. Randy may or may not have released any more records. My point was that, had he not released any more records he would have faded and sites like this probably wouldn't exist. It had nothing to do with Randy's ability, it had to do with the fickle public.Randy Magic wrote:The thing about Randy is that NO OTHER PLAYER at the time was approaching the instrument as he did - this would have continued to evolve, improving with age. People still speak of Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Page, and even EVH!!!
I was hardly offended, more than I thought it was just a bad comparison. I do not subscribe to the "Randy is God" school either, but, he was a friend and his potential at the time of his death was endless, and I think you are underestimating this, IMHO.I knew someone would get upset about the comparison between Randy and Rick Nielsen... Randy fans are so easily offended, especially when comparisons are made....For the record, I do not subscribe to the "Randy is God" school of thought.
EVH was influential simply because he was a flashy player, and had a distinct style that people liked, and Randy mastered. The MOST influential in 25 years - maybe to teenybopper guitarists, and other newer players. I think seasoned guitarists would say otherwise. And, those influenced by EVH - where are they now? I know more Randy-influenced seasoned musicians than I do EVH-influenced seasoned musicians. But that's me.EVH was THE most influential guitar player of the last 25 years, bar none. He grew and matured as a player and didn't continue to rehash Eruption over and over,
Never said they were not, but, one can disagree - as you stated. I'm glad we can have these discussions because it Randy was human, not a God, and his legacy should be debated by those that love him.so my opinions and thoughts are as valid as anyone elses.
And, so did Ted Greene have only two albums out. But, it would be hard to find a seasoned guitarist that had never heard of him...And, while Ted stopped recording because he had bad stage fright, Randy loved the spotlight much of the time - who knows how that would have evolved...And everyone you mentioned has more than 2 records out.
Great points made here guys and enjoyed reading all that you both had to say.Randy Magic wrote:One last point...
And, so did Ted Greene have only two albums out. But, it would be hard to find a seasoned guitarist that had never heard of him...And, while Ted stopped recording because he had bad stage fright, Randy loved the spotlight much of the time - who knows how that would have evolved...And everyone you mentioned has more than 2 records out.
Why does everybody say this stuff? Eddie Van Halen was "all flash"? He influenced EVERY rock and metal player from 1978 on. Steve Vai? Picked up new ideas from Ed. Satriani? Picked up ideas from Ed. Randy Rhoads? Blatantly stole ideas from Ed and admitted it!Randy Magic wrote:EVH was influential simply because he was a flashy player, and had a distinct style that people liked, and Randy mastered. The MOST influential in 25 years - maybe to teenybopper guitarists, and other newer players. I think seasoned guitarists would say otherwise. And, those influenced by EVH - where are they now? I know more Randy-influenced seasoned musicians than I do EVH-influenced seasoned musicians. But that's me.
Well, I guess it depends on your point of view... copied, stole, used... maybe I should have said, "baltantly copied" Ed.Supernaut wrote:Stole? Did he claim the ideas as his own?
I know he used tapping, and was pretty good at it, but I don't think he stole it. Just used it. Also they both seemed to like the whole whammy bar thing
To me Randy was as flashy as Eddie. Both were true musicians. Ok Ed used the tremelo bar a bit more than Randy, is that more flashy? Not sure. Eddie had a more spontaneous approach to solos, whereas Randy's were more worked out. Eddie had classical infuences in his playing as well but he didn't build on it like Randy did. Listen to Ed's solo spot around '82/'83. Listen to "On fire" of the first VH record. In that solo you hear the same runs Randy used in Believer, Mr. Crowley and his solospot. You can even hear where Randy's Steal Away riff came from.Randy Magic wrote:Randy's biggest local competition was EVH, but everyone knew that Eddie was a flashy rockstar whereas Randy was a True Musician that played a "Rock Star." Big difference.
Let's see ... uumm ...Randy Magic wrote:And, those influenced by EVH - where are they now?
+ Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, George Lynch, Tony McAlpine etc.Stiltzkin wrote:Let's see ... uumm ...Randy Magic wrote:And, those influenced by EVH - where are they now?
Zakk Wylde is still going strong,
so is Akira Takasaki ...
sad though that Dimebag is dead.
Get the picture ?
I didn't know Lynch was influenced by Van HalenFlying Dutchman wrote:+ Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, George Lynch, Tony McAlpine etc.Stiltzkin wrote:Let's see ... uumm ...Randy Magic wrote:And, those influenced by EVH - where are they now?
Zakk Wylde is still going strong,
so is Akira Takasaki ...
sad though that Dimebag is dead.
Get the picture ?
Ed's influences are there in almost every hardrock/metal player who came after him, directly or indirectly.
George own words: "Eddie was the King and Randy was close second."Stiltzkin wrote:I didn't know Lynch was influenced by Van Halen![]()
Weird, where did you read that?Flying Dutchman wrote:George own words: "Eddie was the King and Randy was close second."Stiltzkin wrote:I didn't know Lynch was influenced by Van Halen![]()