' The Grail ' contents...

[Tito]

ok from now on can we call it 'bobs tapes'?this grail shit is makin me wanna have a shit in my boxers!!what do you guys say?

[shred1]

Knock yourself out.

[No1UNo]

These would be interesting to hear as a one-off kind of thing, but I'll not kid myself or anyone here by saying I'd listen to these over and over again - let's face it, I am here because I love Blizzard and Diary, the way they were written, recorded, and produced. They are classics I would take to a dessert island should I be so banished from society (or here!). All that I've ever wanted to be released revolves around the music - and we have the original Blizzard and Diary back, but the bonus material could've been better even without the grail...the alternate mixes / takes of "You Looking At Me Looking At You" (single and album version), "No Bone Movies" (porn outro), "Steal Away" (with Lee's count-off and more guitar in the mix), "You Said It All" (a crime that was left off of Blizzard but perhaps would've been included with a Live Southampton, UK, show...from Diary I believe there were long-fades and alternate mixes cued up to be released. And imagine the acoustic stuff stripped bare with just Randy and Ozzy - "Goodbye to Romance" (which they did do), but also "Revelation", "Tonight", and "Diary". There is so much that could've been done but wasn't. I appreciate the live concerts and prefer the unedited Cleveland (Tribute) and Montreal shows...maybe someday Southampton will join them? I'd ask for a U.S. "Diary" live show, but I loathe the keyboard heavy mix (I love Don Airey, but not that much). I'd love to see another show released instead of the mashup "Ozzy Live" one with the box set, which aims to give the listener the ultimate, hot Randy Rhoads show. The only other thing would be the Capitol Theater Show video from Passaic, NJ - that is my holy grail, having never seen Ozzy and Randy live together. But if that never surfaces, I at least have the music - those two albums rocked my world and changed my life.

So, maybe we get to hear Bob's stuff one day or maybe not. But for now I'll continue to put on Blizzard and Diary, and my live unedited bootlegs (Cleveland & Montreal) until maybe...someday...I am pleasantly surprised.

[Paul Wolfe]

These would be interesting to hear as a one-off kind of thing, but I'll not kid myself or anyone here by saying I'd listen to these over and over again... All that I've ever wanted to be released revolves around the music...

See, to me, Blizzard & Diary are great, but after 30+ years they are a boring. Alternate takes with a 4 beat count in? I guess it's the guitar player in me that wants to hear how the songs were developed, how they came to be. After 30 years I don't get nearly the excitement out of any of this stuff as I used to. Which is probably why I listen to the QR stuff more. It's Randy in his formative years and I've only been listening to it for a little over 10 year...

I've never understood the excitement of the 'original' records being re-released, either. I never had the re-issues because I always had the originals.

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

While I'm interested in hearing the contents of the recordings, I'm surprised they're being called "The Holy Grail". "Grail" denotes something that is holy, priceless, and an object of awe for true believers. While I love the music from this era as much as the next fan, it's not the end of the world if I don't hear this stuff.

Thank you. I completely agree.

Thanks! Seriously, this stuff sounds great, but it's not the be-all and end-all. As Randy fans, I think we sometimes wind ourselves up too much about this stuff. Fact is, this was a bringing together of (talented) musicians on a very low budget, and everyone was holding their breath as to whether this was gonna fly or not. The whole thing could have went sideways at any given moment, and no matter what the talent level in the room, they were lucky this project morphed into the audio magic we hear on BLIZZARD OF OZZ. For sessions that were done on a lick and a promise, they spun legendary gold from this, and EVERYONE involved would have to admit as some point they got good and goddamn lucky. Even more fortuitous and fortunate was that Bob had the sense to journal things and record the sessions. As my Grandma used to say, it was "more luck than good management", though. That's not to say everyone (save a perpetually soused Ozzy) didn't work their ass off and pour their talents into this to make it a success, though. That sheer desperation added a little something extra to the mix, in my opinion.

Bob seems like a great guy, and I'm sure if he wants these out there, they'll find a way out to the general public. Until then, as he's the owner, he'll do what he pleases with them, and rightfully so, I suppose. I honestly don't care if I hear these recordings or not. Maybe how it plays out in my imagination how things went down is more interesting than what actually happened. Who knows?

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

Seriously, thank you for sharing your thoughts Canuck- as usual, your words are eloquent and your logic is sound. And it saves me from writing something similiar out on a small smart phone cus I'm trying to be discreet about my UR habits when I should be working.

Thank you, sir! I am flattered! Just sharing my thoughts!

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

For some of us, we just want to hear Randy again. For me, I want to hear whatever you want to call those tapes and I would find that more interesting than a live show. Don't get me wrong the live shows are great! I'd love to see an entire or partial show come out on DVD but I find the writing process fascinating. I'm sure you would hear some unique moments of Randy's playing. How the band worked, mistakes and the talking. I remember when Tribute/Dee outtakes came out and people were like, "You can hear Randy's voice!" It would be like visiting with old friends.

See, this is understandable. I get this. I remember hearing the outtakes of "Dee" on TRIBUTE years ago as well, when I first started getting into Randy's music, and thinking, "cool". Nowadays, I'm still a fan, obviously, but this stuff doesn't hold the mystique it used to for me. Now whether that's because we've dissected this stuff to death via discussion or what, I don't know. I'm just not gonna get all worked up about it if it doesn't get released.

I think that because there is so little tangible Randy material out there, we want to glom on to and consume every little scrap of Randy ephemera. At the end of the day, though, it always comes back to the music for me. BOO, DOAM, and TRIBUTE, when I feel like listening to this material, is what it's all about. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I also feel we've been blessed with a ton more Randy stuff in the past few years than we ever expected. Yeah, we don't have a pro-shot show, sadly, but we have gotten some other cool stuff. And let's not forget - even with all the squabbling and quarrelling that goes on here sometimes - members are invaluable resources to each other, and trade, sell, and give Randy related stuff to others. People are genuinely willing to help each other out, for the most part, which is cool. Never in a million years would so much stuff have come to light had it not been for members here. Yes, even you, Romeo Rose, for better or worse. This place is pretty cool, warts and all.

I'll stop singing "Kumbaya" now.

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

Double post, sorry!

[hansolo]

I agree more with Mr. Wolfe. I have listened to those albums since they came out. I love them. I can remember when I first listened to BOO, it was all about the first side. Then Crowley too. I kept going further because I hadn't listened to the whole album. I remember asking a friend if he heard Steal Away and he was like, no. Now, I've heard it a million times, it's still great but it's like movies that I love. Throw me some outtakes or behind the scenes if you have them. I don't understand and I don't need an explanation but how can people check this forum and post while saying, "I really don't need to hear this or see an entire show if it's out there, the albums are fine." Are you just being punk rock? For me Randy introduced me to REALLY good music and his playing. I have been seeking that for over 30+ years to hear anything like that playing or good songs (which is something else). I hate having that stick to measure up other music. It's like a really hot first girlfriend who was really nice. You going to have a hard time trying to find a replacement and are going to look for that your entire life.

[RRforeveRR]

lol and then there are those of us that just say "screw it" because either its just plain aggrivating and/or we really are content with the finished works that Randy left behind. There is no one that compares to him IMHO and no one that can take his place either. I've actually come to the conclusion that Randy was a rather large element to the "sound" that got Ozzy back on his feet- Bob and Ozzy couldn't quite replicate either BOO or DOAM without Randy, despite all the other material they went on to create the following albums. Yeah it would be nice to hear the out takes and the birth of the songs we know and love- but I won't lose sleep over not hearing the contents of the "Holy Grail" either.

Also, I'm a ma'am not a sir, Canuck:) Actually, i can't stand the word ma'am- I would rather be called the C-bomb first lol I know that I don't gush over how "hot" or "cute" Randy was- I consider myself a fan of the man's music even though his physical appearance wasn't bad, its just not where I'm at with my love for all things Randy Rhoads.

[Paul Wolfe]

Also, I'm a ma'am not a sir, Canuck:) Actually, i can't stand the word ma'am...

Sound like my wife there... I was raised to say, "Yes ma'am" to my mom, and I taught my boys that, too. My wife hates is and says to not call her ma'am 'cause she's not 80 and not a grandma!

[shawn]

I would rather be called the C-bomb first

Bwhahaha that could get confusing as it is not gender specific. I often thank my mates, male friends, my saying thanks cunt. I have learnt that thanking a mate in such a manner in a church, in front of a priest may raise an eyebrow or two. Well we were drunk it was a wedding and, OK maybe there is no real excuse.

[RRforeveRR]

Yeah Paul- hearing the word ma'am almost sounds likeban apology for my impending menopause and eventual death (much earlier than the person saying it, of course).

I agree Shawn, its not gender specific and its a word that definitely commands attention.. I like to use curse words like spices in food- just to give things a lil kick every.now and again.

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

Well, RRforeveRR, sorry about the mixup! My apologies! Either way, I appreciate the compliment - thanks!

[RRforeveRR]

Aww gosh, Canuck- it's really not that big of a deal online. Now if it were in person, it may be different though;) lol

It's always nice to read your comments because you rely upon logic and heavily upon critical thought to support what you're saying- you and several others that post on UR always make for a plesant read-even if i don't agree. It is part of what makes it enjoyable to post:)