New hope for the 'Legacy'?

[GUITARIDOL5682]

The laughable way you rant on Paul.. in a display of "Yeah its ok for you to have your say" but fuck me if you don't go with the Paul flow or 'agree to disagree' it isn't worth jack shit. Get off your soap box and let others do the talking. Your spreading the gospel according to St Paul.

[hansolo]

I have nothing more to say so, I'm having a Quiet Riot Cooler and sitting in my Randy Rhoads Recliner (it's polka dotted).

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

Ugh.

Please get down off the self righteous high-horse. Your sermon from the mount style gets quite annoying. The condescension is insulting to many people here.

People have opinions, whether you like them or not, or whether you agree with them or not. While I do not agree with bashing the family, having a criticism is a different thing altogether. People seem to confuse the actions and thoughts of others with the actual person themselves.

EVERYONE at the site is entitled to an opinion. That doesn't just mean a select few.

As far as cementing someone's legacy, I don't think people are naive enough to think that things aren't done differently when someone is famous, so that is a straw man argument.

No, it's not a 'straw argument'. It's a statement you disagree with, that's all. You don't like my comments, and that's fine but that doesn't make them less valid or wrong. Just like I don't like the comments of others, they are still valid. Just because someone is famous, there legacy should be no different than anyone else. They influence those around them either positively or negatively. Why should Randy Rhoads' family be attacked because they don't present information that the membership of this website feels they 'deserve'?

I am in no way 'self-righteous', I simply have an opinion that doesn't waver. I am confident in my beliefs and abilities and that bothers some people because I refuse to tow the party line if I find it disagreeable.

People seem to confuse the actions and thoughts of others with the actual person themselves.

What? People make statements based on who they are. If your statements don't reflect who you are as a person then what does? You are on the Internet, son, the only way you can present yourself is through your statements.

See, this is where you and I fundamentally disagree. Any time anyone has a criticism about anything Randy, automatically they are "attacking the family" or dissing them, which is complete nonsense. The way some people carry on about people who have the slightest criticism borders on the surreal.

I don't feel like I deserve anything as a fan - I've said it before, I'll say it again. But as a fan can I lament the way things are handled? Absolutely. There doesn't need to be this "black or white", "true or false" mindset, but sadly, there is. This is a complicated situation which no one anticipated, obviously, when Randy passed, and there are grey areas. Nothing, no matter what it is in life, is always handled perfectly. Which leads to the fact that simply discussing what you think about the situation is perfectly valid. It seems here, though, that certain people FREAK OUT over the slightest wave of criticism. To be fair, Paul, you have a much more balanced way of discussing things than others, but it does come off as surly and righteous at times, and it absolutely rubs people the wrong way.

And yes, people may make statements based on who they are, but really, an opinion doesn't always define someone. People seem to miss the fact that forums like these are open grounds for debate, and not everything everyone says is going to be popular with everyone. That doesn't mean you are less of a nice person if you have a differing opinion - it simply means you have a different opinion. That being said, I'll stand behind my opinions, and like you, will not waiver. I consider myself a nice person in general, but I really don't care if people agree with my opinions or not. I find this place has an inordinate amount of people who sling the mud, but can't take it when someone slings back.

So, in the end, whatever floats your boat, son. We have differing opinions. Frankly, I have no problems with that.

[RandyRox]

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[randy will never die]

Paul Wolfe =

I am sorry randy rox but your user pic scares the hell out of me

[Paul Wolfe]

See, this is where you and I fundamentally disagree. Any time anyone has a criticism about anything Randy, automatically they are "attacking the family" or dissing them, which is complete nonsense.

Actually, I was directly addressing an attack on Kathy for selling wine. And if you read the majority of posts here recently - notice I said majority and not all - Randy's family gets attacked a lot, which I feel is wrong.

So, in the end, whatever floats your boat, son. We have differing opinions. Frankly, I have no problems with that.

Son? Yes, we have differing opinions. You have a right to yours and I have a right to mine, we can agree to disagree. I have no issue with that.

[CanuckRhoadsFan]

See, this is where you and I fundamentally disagree. Any time anyone has a criticism about anything Randy, automatically they are "attacking the family" or dissing them, which is complete nonsense.

Actually, I was directly addressing an attack on Kathy for selling wine. And if you read the majority of posts here recently - notice I said majority and not all - Randy's family gets attacked a lot, which I feel is wrong.

So, in the end, whatever floats your boat, son. We have differing opinions. Frankly, I have no problems with that.

Son? Yes, we have differing opinions. You have a right to yours and I have a right to mine, we can agree to disagree. I have no issue with that.

Well, Paul, I also agree that the family gets painted in an unfair light at times, which is unfortunate. They do seem like very nice people, and have been accommodating to the fans- no one disputes that. However, as I said, it seems like ANY criticism at all is viewed as an "attack" on them, which I don't think is the case. Randy was a public figure, and people have an interest in public figures. It's not a far stretch to see people will have opinions about said public figure. I think what frustrates people is that other celebrities, such as Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin, have a veritable treasure trove of material out there, and Randy has next to nothing.

I think it also bothers people that there are presumably other materials out there, but they are not being released, for a variety of reasons. Again, I'm (me personally) happy with what we have, and I've said it before - if what we have is all that we'll ever get, then so be it. I'm not going to scream and cry that I want more. I'm just happy to have a good copy of AFTER HOURS. However, that is not the opinion of many. And that's their prerogative. Point is, people will always want MORE. Is it right? No, but I can understand the other side of the equation, with people wanting more quality stuff released when it's completely in the realm of possibility. And once again, Randy being a public figure, the buying public has spoken that they want more stuff. The keepers of Randy's estate should have a look at his image and legacy, but who knows if they will? In the end, it's not up to us, I guess.

And the "son" comment, Paul? If you refer back to your previous post, this is how you referred to me - just returning the favor. I find that saying something like that is sort of derogatory, like somehow because you are presumably older than me, you have some sort of higher ground to speak from. I've met plenty of people who are older than myself that don't have any more wisdom, knowledge, or insight than anyone else, simply based on their age. Just because someone is older than me doesn't necessarily dictate that they are wiser, have anything interesting to say, or that they deserve my respect automatically. This is coming from someone who is respectful of their elders.

And for the record - I too have no problem with you having an opinion - I think it's great that you do. It seems we disagree on some things, which is totally fine. Once again, it's everyone's right to have an opinion!

[Paul Wolfe]

And the "son" comment, Paul? If you refer back to your previous post, this is how you referred to me - just returning the favor.

Damn it boy! Not only am I older AND wiser than your punk ass, I'd bet good money I'm also hairier and fatter, what do you think of that?

My apology for the early slight towards you. I guess I really have been letting the real world influence my interactions here in the virtual insanity.

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Actually, I was directly addressing an attack on Kathy for selling wine. And if you read the majority of posts here recently - notice I said majority and not all - Randy's family gets attacked a lot, which I feel is wrong.

So this one is for me arrr Paul how thoughtful !!. A public apology but the original poster he's the bad ass. I'll stick to my guns it's my opinion and others share my opinion aswell. Like someone mentioned earlier your posts are very diplomatic and can be very neutral. But then its an attack from someone. You'd think i'd went into the winery and spat her RR wine in her face. It's my opinion Paul don't make it sound anything more.

[hansolo]

I think Idol raises a great point. A lot of us can be critical (I admit it that I am freely) of the Rhoads family and what should and shouldn't be done but at the end of the day, I don't think anyone would actually (in a million years), well, spit wine in Kathy's face or even say anything slightly negative TO the family. There is this Randy generated force-field around the family. If it gets back to them that someone said this or that, oh well because NO ONE will say anything directly to the family or they will be shot down. It has been tough for fans of Randy for the last 30+ years, we have waited 5 years for Tribute, 6 more for QR the RR years (which was a surprise considering what Randy said about QR) and then the sacrilegious 2002 re-releases which took 10 years to re-re-lease them in the box and yes, the boxset from 2012. Wine is fine but give me Randy! Where is that E.T. footage? That IS out there.

[hansolo]

It took 31 years for Afterhours!

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Joe anything of any good which has been done without the full backing of the family has always been dissed. So if it isn't wine or signature guitars amplifiers etc. It doesn't get the seal of approval and any other projects get scrapped or taking to court because they are deemed to be 'non' approved. That last book on Randy is probably one of the best available items i've seen in a long time. It's been slagged and slated but it is in 'my opinion' a well put together item. The contents is rumoured to be ripped off and not 100%. Regardless of any out come of the court actions towards the authors. Was it an idea of similar content that the Rhoads had visions of putting out in the future. I don't know why it caused so much upset. I honestly cannot justify why a couple of photos or something that was not credited or 'stolen'. I've seen more stolen photos on the internet then any other place. Who can be fingered for them being posted up. It would just be cool to see a product which we could all afford and for once we can say. Well done to the family and thank them for honouring Randy.

[Paul Wolfe]

Actually, I was directly addressing an attack on Kathy for selling wine. And if you read the majority of posts here recently - notice I said majority and not all - Randy's family gets attacked a lot, which I feel is wrong.

It's my opinion Paul don't make it sound anything more.

Yes, it is your opinion and you are entitled to it as am I to my opinion. I apologized for my acerbic attitude, let's drop it for now, alright?

[Sky]

Joe anything of any good which has been done without the full backing of the family has always been dissed. So if it isn't wine or signature guitars amplifiers etc. It doesn't get the seal of approval and any other projects get scrapped or taking to court because they are deemed to be 'non' approved. That last book on Randy is probably one of the best available items i've seen in a long time. It's been slagged and slated but it is in 'my opinion' a well put together item. The contents is rumoured to be ripped off and not 100%. Regardless of any out come of the court actions towards the authors. Was it an idea of similar content that the Rhoads had visions of putting out in the future. I don't know why it caused so much upset. I honestly cannot justify why a couple of photos or something that was not credited or 'stolen'. I've seen more stolen photos on the internet then any other place. Who can be fingered for them being posted up. It would just be cool to see a product which we could all afford and for once we can say. Well done to the family and thank them for honouring Randy.

Shaun, the problem that some of us have isn't so much with the book that Margolis/Klein put out, it's with the people themselves who are arrogant enough to believe that they can get away with breaking contracts, using material that they, in at least one case, acknowledged in writing that they didn't have permission to use, but used it anyway. I would support anyone's right to legally challenge that kind of behaviour.
Several people have posted their opinions praising the RR book so it's had more than it's fair share of support on this site, I've now seen a copy of the book so here's my 2 cents' worth... The photos that M/K acquired have been put together well and the book looks good but I personally found the writing sentimental and at times laughable, the inaccuracies that leapt out at me about the original Blizzard of Ozz when they were in the UK made me doubt the accuracy of the rest of the book, so even if I had $100 to spend on it, I'd pass.
Some photographers may have been paid for their contribution and some people who were interviewed for the failed documentary may have given permission for those interviews to be used, but others DENIED PERMISSION FOR ANYTHING of theirs to be used in the film, the book or anywhere else because of their experiences with the authors, and it's their right to do so! No one has to cooperate with cunts!

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Troy it isn't just the book i'm putting referrence too, it's anything with a RR tag on it in general. I can sympothise with you as i know your connections and we have discussed the shit storm behind the 'whys and reasons' even if it was all done in a correct way and no one was feeling ripped off or used. It would still be an item with no backing from the family. Thank God! Bob's book has got the thumbs up and it will be out shortly. It would of been cool to see the docu and other projects that have failed. But for now we just have to be grateful for what is out there.