Why TOmy Aldridge (or is it Lee??) did change the drum part?

[shred1]

In my opinion, it was Joe Holmes who played RRs stuff with the least amount of ad-libs and modifications.
Funny enough, he doesn't seem to rate very high with the RR faithful.
Go figure.

[Paul Wolfe]

None of Ozzy's guitarists have really played the RR guitar parts note for note.
Everyone had their own spin.

And every one of them has been crucified at one point or another for their spin. Just sayin'

[shred1]

Even Randy started to stray from the recorded versions as time went on.
He became bored playing the same set. That is human nature.

I also believe that is why folks here chase down bootlegs - they wanna hear those ad-libs.

[Paul Wolfe]

Even Randy started to stray from the recorded versions as time went on.
He became bored playing the same set. That is human nature.

I also believe that is why folks here chase down bootlegs - they wanna hear those ad-libs.

Very true... I'd love to have heard how he'd play Crazy Train now.

[fortress]

ya me too. when i started playing in an OZZY RANDY tribute, i listened to all the bootlegs i did find just to listen to randy and take idea here and there from its playing.

[hansolo]

I do have an Ozzy concert from 95/96 with Joey Holmes (guitar) on reel to reel but no player or way to transfer. I did see that tour from Rochester, NY and recorded it on a cheap recorder which came out okay. Does anyone have a reel to reel player to disc capabilities? I bought one reel of the concert on ebay and after the auction was over, they found the second reel and gave it to me for free. I believe the solo has DOAM/S.A.T.O./stuff.

[randy will never die]

I do have an Ozzy concert from 95/96 with Joey Holmes (guitar) on reel to reel but no player or way to transfer. I did see that tour from Rochester, NY and recorded it on a cheap recorder which came out okay. Does anyone have a reel to reel player to disc capabilities? I bought one reel of the concert on ebay and after the auction was over, they found the second reel and gave it to me for free. I believe the solo has DOAM/S.A.T.O./stuff.

LUCKY

[guitarsteve]

I get it that when you're performing someone else's material it is important to keep certain characteristics in tact for the sake of keeping the song's integrity in tact... but I'm sure if Randy were still around he would still say be original. Like its been mentioned in this thread Randy didn't play his own material the same way night after night. If you're a slave to the recording, to me it seems robotic and somewhat lifeless.

[sytharnia]

I'm not the sort of player who nitpicks over the small details of a solo so I tend to learn the "key" bits and then join the dots by how i'm feeling that night

[Paul Wolfe]

I'm sure if Randy were still around he would still say be original.

I agree 100%... I was thinking back to my days at .tk ('03 - '06) when someone would post a recording of themselves playing an RR solo and the endless nitpicking over making a minor change and/or error. This happens on YouTube ALL the time...

[Remedylane]

I'm not the sort of player who nitpicks over the small details of a solo so I tend to learn the "key" bits and then join the dots by how i'm feeling that night

That is EXACTLY how I approach it too. Im a regular gigging musician. I play in one of the top cover bands in my area. It depends on the musician as to how they approach learning another musicians material. Id say on 90% of the material we cover I play the "key" parts of a lead, and ad lib the rest. Very few songs do I play note for note. Randy is one of the players who motivated me to play this way, because as some have already said, Randy loved to ad lib. Especially later on in the tour. And just look at how he does Sabbath tunes. Its no secret he wasn't a huge Sabbath fan, so he played the "key" parts, and the ad libbed to make them interesting to him. But he did it tastefully. There is a fine line when it comes to ad libs. Maybe Tommy ad libed because he wasn't "in love" with Lee's drum parts. Or maybe Tommy couldn't cop the same feel Lee did. And that's not a knock on Tommy at all!

[fortress]

I'm not the sort of player who nitpicks over the small details of a solo so I tend to learn the "key" bits and then join the dots by how i'm feeling that night

That is EXACTLY how I approach it too. Im a regular gigging musician. I play in one of the top cover bands in my area. It depends on the musician as to how they approach learning another musicians material. Id say on 90% of the material we cover I play the "key" parts of a lead, and ad lib the rest. Very few songs do I play note for note. Randy is one of the players who motivated me to play this way, because as some have already said, Randy loved to ad lib. Especially later on in the tour. And just look at how he does Sabbath tunes. Its no secret he wasn't a huge Sabbath fan, so he played the "key" parts, and the ad libbed to make them interesting to him. But he did it tastefully. There is a fine line when it comes to ad libs. Maybe Tommy ad libed because he wasn't "in love" with Lee's drum parts. Or maybe Tommy couldn't cop the same feel Lee did. And that's not a knock on Tommy at all!

If you want to AD LIB, then make original material?? When i go see i a cover band, i expect to hear the song like it was... SOme solo parts are important to the song and changing that, is no longer a cover.

Brad Gillis Playing MR crowley his way?? doenst work for me, especially the solo

[Remedylane]

I suppose we view it differently. I mean, if its a really well know lead, then I will do my best to play it the way it was recorded. But when when im covering Huey Lewis and The News, or something similar, sure, I ad lib.

I agree with you 100% about how Brad Gillis played Randy's leads. He butchered them. But on the flip side, I like how he played the Sabbath stuff. When I see a band, whether its a cover band or an original band I like to see the musicians being who they are.

If I go see a cover band there are certain songs that HAVE to be done tastefully and pretty much note for note. But if I wanted to hear every song exactly played the way it was recorded, then wouldn't I be better off staying at home listening to the cd's or albums?

[sytharnia]

If you want to AD LIB, then make original material?? When i go see i a cover band, i expect to hear the song like it was... SOme solo parts are important to the song and changing that, is no longer a cover.

I do do originals (which you guys will get to hear in the new year...and it kicks arse )

For me when I hear a cover done in away that makes it sounds like the band that is covering it works (that is if I like that band)......type o negative were great at covering songs but making them sound like they wrote it

[Remedylane]

Here is an example of how my band approaches covers.. Its worked out well for us thus far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1H__MKq10&feature=plcp