Phoenix Bros Footage

[Paul Wolfe]

50K, thank you for your post, as Tito said, that does shed a bit more light.

For the record:

My name IS Paul Wolfe and I proudly put it out there because I stand behind everything I say. I have changed 'sides of the fence' in the past, but always based on gathering new information on a subject. I believe any adult who has an opinion on a subject may change his/her opinion if new info comes to light which they were originally unaware of, that is the case with me. I consider that intelligent behavior, because to continue to hold a negative opinion regardless of new info just to save face is ridiculous in my opinion.

I apologize for the attacks.

[Stiltzkin]

alright, I'm moving this thread to the OT section until you guys stop
bitching about eachother

[Axeman1956]

This is a friendly forum! Every just be quiet and stick to the mysteries of the Phoenix Bros. Footage. We are all here to be friends and talk about Mr. Rhoads!

[dasboot]

Kudos there Jay! 1+.

Here's a bit of a stretch, if they are in fact lurkers here they'll read this thread or probably be alerted to it. An idea I have would be to hold a fundraising for this footage much like other forums dedicated to other bands often hold to liberate unreleased material. If in fact $50 Grand was the asking price, I think it could be possible to get 100 people contribute $500 or even 200 people to contribute $250. There is no reason why we couldn't cut the middle men out of this. It doesn't necessarily have to be released officially, we could liberate this ourselves and keep it in the hands of collectors?
I mean when you think about it, a lot of us dropped $150 without blinking an eye to the O's, this could potentially be only a bit more... It's an idea but really just me thinking out aloud and being wishful.

Even though I don't celebrate Thanksgiving or fully understand it, I hope you guys have a comfortable one regardless.
Cheers,
- Rhece

I would be down.

[Paul Wolfe]

alright, I'm moving this thread to the OT section until you guys stop
bitching about each other

Isn't that what "I apologize for the attacks," is?

[shawn]

If I could, without coursing drama explain something. I know for a fact, because I have been through it, having a second or eighteenth gen copy does not matter in the eyes of the law.

The people that got away with selling bootlegs in the past, where lucky because taking such people to trial was not worth it. The law is the law no matter how far down the line you think you are.

Look at it this way, a TV is stolen no matter if you took it or if you got it off someone that got it of someone that new the person that stole it, is a TV stolen.

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.

By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

[Shockwave]

If I could, without coursing drama explain something. I know for a fact, because I have been through it, having a second or eighteenth gen copy does not matter in the eyes of the law.

The people that got away with selling bootlegs in the past, where lucky because taking such people to trial was not worth it. The law is the law no matter how far down the line you think you are.

Look at it this way, a TV is stolen no matter if you took it or if you got it off someone that got it of someone that new the person that stole it, is a TV stolen.

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.

By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

That is true, but in this day in age with every phone in existence seemingly having a 1080p video recorder the laws are a lot more relaxed. They have to be, otherwise it would be on the top of list of criminal activity and the jails would be flooded with people. The only people the goverment will go after are the people that are selling this stuff, and by that i am talking on a large scale production. Even then I would say its only a 30% chance anything is going to happen to them, unless they are making thousands upon thousands selling the same bootleg. It would be extremely easy for them to track people down and just fine them alone, but they don't even do that..

To ask 50 thousand for the Randy footage is pretty absurd, i would say 5-10k would have been reasonable. Maybe Sharon & the Rhoads family were insulted for that very reason, maybe they saw 50 grand and automatically though these guys were trying to take them, if they had asked for a more reasonable sum Sharon could have gone right into her purse and taken out a wad and paid the people right there

It is quite obvious all parties involved in this read these forums, these "brothers" i give credit, i can't believe someone can hold onto something like this for so long and not say anything. Even with them reading these boards, some of the things that are said of them it must be hard for them to bite there lip and not come out and say anything.

Who knows though...it is the interwebz! 50k could be one of the brothers

[oth]

Anyone here saying what their name is or isn't doesn't prove or dis-prove that they may or may not be a kid just stating what they've read online or anywhere else, it's a crazy notion.

Is it?

Most of us old-timers here have let everyone know us by name. It is my opinion that anyone who posts online hidden behind a screenname without the willingness to give their name has something to hide. If you have something to hide, I don't trust you or anything you say. Period.

Not a 'crazy notion' in any way, shape or form.

Especially when you show up as a first time poster claiming inside info on a volatile subject... insinuate you are someone 'in the know' and are 'friends' with Peter Margolis and talk about a 'certain someone' without naming names... it's chickenshit behavior. If you are too cowardly to name names and give your own name, then anything you have to say is worthless.

So, 'rokket', what's your name? How old are you and how did you come to be a part of this community?

Paul,this might be off topic but your argument about posting your actual name is completely wreckless.

Aside from nuts out there gaining your information all kinds of entities are or can collect/build a profile of you.If you ever get involved in a lawsuit or file what should be a simple insurance claim the first matter at hand for your opponent will be to get every bit of info about you from the net(this doesnt just mean car or home insurance companies but even more important, health insurance).Its as easy for them to look at your facebook acct or blog history or this site.They will then use that to their best ability to smear your character and have you lose.I know of several cases personally and you can easily do a search to see actual cases.

When hiring,almost all employers screen subjects now to facebook and google searches.

[50K]

If I could, without coursing drama explain something. I know for a fact, because I have been through it, having a second or eighteenth gen copy does not matter in the eyes of the law.

The people that got away with selling bootlegs in the past, where lucky because taking such people to trial was not worth it. The law is the law no matter how far down the line you think you are.

Look at it this way, a TV is stolen no matter if you took it or if you got it off someone that got it of someone that new the person that stole it, is a TV stolen.

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.

By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

To ask 50 thousand for the Randy footage is pretty absurd, i would say 5-10k would have been reasonable.

Considering the rarity of what it is, I think $30-50K is a reasonable amount, if the original source quality hasn't degraded.

The only even semi-comparable known footage in existence is the "After Hours" recording.

Ever seen what some "art" goes for (and I'm not talking about van Gogh, Renoir, Picasso, Gauguin, Rembrandt, etc.)?

[sik_kreations]

In my business, perceived value is only as much as someone's willing to pay. Either Way the az bros are shit out of luck.. And they hung onto it for nothing. Haha

[sik_kreations]

If I could, without coursing drama explain something. I know for a fact, because I have been through it, having a second or eighteenth gen copy does not matter in the eyes of the law.

The people that got away with selling bootlegs in the past, where lucky because taking such people to trial was not worth it. The law is the law no matter how far down the line you think you are.

Look at it this way, a TV is stolen no matter if you took it or if you got it off someone that got it of someone that new the person that stole it, is a TV stolen.

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.


So what ur saying is that everyone who has downloaded a bootleg of Randy is a criminal? A lot of peeps on here have after hours which they bought illegally.
By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

[Paul Wolfe]

Paul,this might be off topic but your argument about posting your actual name is completely wreckless.

Aside from nuts out there gaining your information all kinds of entities are or can collect/build a profile of you.If you ever get involved in a lawsuit or file what should be a simple insurance claim the first matter at hand for your opponent will be to get every bit of info about you from the net(this doesnt just mean car or home insurance companies but even more important, health insurance).Its as easy for them to look at your facebook acct or blog history or this site.They will then use that to their best ability to smear your character and have you lose.I know of several cases personally and you can easily do a search to see actual cases.

When hiring,almost all employers screen subjects now to facebook and google searches.

I respect and understand your point of view, Oth. That's why I try not to post anything I am ashamed of or that will become an issue down the road. I am willing to stand behind what I say and not back down from it, whether it be an employer or a friend, so I use my real name.

Those of you who don't choose to do so, I understand. I was actually just trying to bait 50K into giving more info to back up his claims in his initial post. I have no issue with any of you who have taken the time to create screen names that are important to you.

[50K]

By the way I talked to someome that knows someone in the family and all of what 50k says he knows for a fact is just bulshit rumor, as some one would know if they made a phone call.

By the way you can, the Rhoads are in the phoone book, and are extermly friendly to fans.

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Someone else who has spoke to the family!...let me guess you called the school and spoke with that wack job Doug Rhoads lol. If you would like the real answers and truth contact Peter Margolis the one who traveled the world in search of Randy's history (the behind the scene history unknown to most of you and me) Mrs.Rhoads or Kathy the ones who handle his business. You may already have heard this, but it is the truth! even Doug will tell you this and I find that the most overwhelming evidence of all. The reason the Documentary went array was because during the viewing Doug found out all his music was not going to be used for the soundtrack to (RANDY's) film, it was rejected by the Director's and Dakota and most likely even Mrs.Rhoads. Doug pitched a fit in front of his mother and sister over this and demanded his mother fire Peter and hire Kelly Garni. After that a war between Doug, KG and Peter started as you all know (Publicly) that's right! you were part of it. They (Doug & Kelle) found out that they were not going to have any control over the film (what so ever) so they began to campaign against Peter with Mrs.Rhoads, this was really to much for her to handle in bad health. It was not because of them totally that the Documentary got shelved,it was the embarrassment that Mrs.Rhoads endured with all of the fans right in the middle of it and information posted all over the Internet as well. The fans should know more than anyone that Mrs.Rhoads wants Randy's name kept (Clean). Peter's mistake was involving the fans in the beginning. Mrs.Rhoads pulled the plug and severed the lifeline and all went quiet. I know you people hear allot of things and experience bad people all of the time on this board, but the fact of the matter is.. most of your trusted heroes in the middle of this mess are not being honest with you they used you as complaining fans. I really feel sorry for Peter..he was hoping this would be a big success and something he could be proud on his resume, he truly is a randy fan himself. Two people fucked it up for everyone. Peter went to the end of the planet to try and get the true story's from band members ,roadies even unknown girlfriends! most of this from the tour aspect of Randy's life.. not some fabricated story from two people who were not even there and jealous of Randy's status. Things like this are very common with friends ,family members and hangers on of well know people I would say it was very hard to be the Brother of Randy Rhoads and not succeed as a musician. Jealousy is a terrible thing. The Osbourne's agreed to be apart of the film it was loaded with everything Ozzy & Quiet Riot and one Doug song and that song was going to be pulled on the final cut. That is what happen! Peter will hardly speak of this because he is devastated and embarrassed as well. The internet can be a good thing, but all of the drama that has played out from (EVERYONE) along with two wannabe rock stars is the truth. I'm sorry I ranted and called out people and tarnished your Doug Rhoads (the family member) but the truth is the truth surely you people are smarter than that or does Doug have a way of blowing your head up on the phone? "Oh my god I'm speaking to Randy's brother" Please...if he had not done the selfish things he has done, speaking to Randy's brother would be an honor.

Don't believe me just go with the information I have given and contact someone besides Doug Rhoads for the truth.

Thanks Paul & Tito for the comments. I guess I owe you a first name.

regards,
James

PS
If you should see Peter, tell him he did a great job trying to document Randy's history. I'm sure he would appreciate that!

[50K]

Before one of you call Doug and report this to him , ask him if peter was going to use his music on the film. You will get an ear full.