Bob Daisley's grail stuff.

[shred1]

If you believe Bob is being clever by posting his basslines on his website for all to abuse, then let us just say we agree to disagree.

Just another way to replace Bob and Lee, or more succinctly, another way for Bob to have his work misrepresented, or screwed with. Except he initiated the ability to do it, and by having it on his website, endorses the abuse of his 'art'. There are already guys doing mashups with those files.
We are NOT supposed to be able to access those isolated files.

Reemember the whole Jamies Cryin'/Wild Thing by Ton-Loc debacle?

[rokket]

I see Bob has posted the isolated bass tracks to some of the Blizzard tunes on his website.
probably got'em from here.

This guy is starting to look desperate. Loser move.

Bob's credibilty with ME is really nosediving.
MOVE ON, you are damaging your own legacy with these actions.

Having those tracks on the web site allows other bassists (and drummers) to hear the bass and drum parts. I don't see how people weave all kinds of other "why they are there" scenario's into it, it's wacky.

There are musicians out there who really enjoy the playing and will enjoy hearing these........and learning from them for their own playing .....

[rokket]

Bob is 'bootlegging' himself and Lee to prove his point, on his own website. Desperation move.
Lame.

What will that prove or solve.... to anyone? Here is a guy chirping about injustice, then he sets himself up for another ripoff.

We are not supposed to have access to those files. They were hacked from Guitar Hero.

Whether YOU enjoy them or not is not the issue. Hell, I found it it interesting to listen too as well.

In my books, Bob and Lee have gone from respected players, to a couple of whiners, milking their association with RR for their retirement fund.

Up until TODAY, I had some respect for Mr Daisley. Not anymore. Starting to see why these guys got dropped on their heads.

Hoping some rapper grabs Bob's isolated tracks from his website, builds a loop/mash-up with it and has a smash success on YouTube. Mr. Daisley will be back in court, complaining he got ripped off, except he is supplying the files.

Ridiculous.

'We didn't find out until later that RR wanted to work with us'...... I could say RR wanted to work with me but I never knew too.

Bob, here is a tissue.

You seem to forget that there are bassists out there who will love this, learn from it and have fun getting to know the bass lines, and hearing them like this. Did you stop to think that maybe thats why they are there...? Or did you just automatically assume that they are there to try and prove some kind of point in the whole Ozzy/Bob/Lee scenario......man, thats a jump in thinking.

Tracks like these have been around for years.........here's one from TWO years ago, this one being a Randy guitar track.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFVPl9025JY

So it seems in your mind, that from now on anything Bob does, is somehow suppose to be another shot at the Osbournes because of a court case, or credit issue or some other situation....?? He can't do anything for any other reason now......um...yeah...OK.

[shred1]

The files are illegal Rokket. End of story. He MAY not have permission to do what he is doing. He cries about being abused, then offers the files up for more 'misuse'.

Sharon would LOVE to take Bob to court

If they were intended to be freely shared, they wouldn't have been buried in Guitar Hero. They had to be HACKED out. WE, for sure, are not supposed to be in possession of them.

The digital world has only exaggerated everyone's sense of entitlement, cause its just there.

Note to Bob, it ain't gold if ya give it away for free.

Yes, at this point, everything Bob and Lee do is tainted with doubt. Which is what I said earlier. He is kicking the crap out of his own credibility/legacy.

Marilyn Monroe wanted to marry me. I didn't find out until later.... I won't reveal how I found out. Luckily, for the convenience of my story, she is dead, so this claim cannot be confirmed, nor denied.

[Tito]

awesome post shred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rokket]

The files are illegal Rokket. End of story. He MAY not have permission to do what he is doing. He cries about being abused, then offers the files up for more 'misuse'.

Sharon would LOVE to take Bob to court

If they were intended to be freely shared, they wouldn't have been buried in Guitar Hero. They had to be HACKED out. WE, for sure, are not supposed to be in possession of them.

The digital world has only exaggerated everyone's sense of entitlement, cause its just there.

Note to Bob, it ain't gold if ya give it away for free.

Yes, at this point, everything Bob and Lee do is tainted with doubt. Which is what I said earlier. He is kicking the crap out of his own credibility/legacy.

Marilyn Monroe wanted to marry me. I didn't find out until later.... I won't reveal how I found out. Luckily, for the convenience of my story, she is dead, so this claim cannot be confirmed, nor denied.

So you don't remember tracks like these doing the rounds on a few sites briefly back in 2004...!!! ok.

Does he have them on his site as downloads? I'll have a look.

So you'd also assume that his autobiography, that talks about all the different bands he's been in over the years, is all just a bogus thing so people just get to read the chapter about Ozzy...??? ok.

Your saying the songs are illegal, or files rather, the use of etc... ok ...well if Sharon decides to take him to court over there use, then a few thousand youtube users and various web sites, this one included, better run for cover..!!!

How do you know these tracks were ripped off Guitar Hero? Did you do it? Cause I don't know where they came from. Maybe even off copies of master tapes....who knows??...well, except you, that is odd...!!!

[shred1]

The person who posted them said they are from Guitar Hero.
Along with a tutorial on how to use'em. Here.

His book.... I am sure people want the dirt on Kahvas Jute.
Ritchie played most of the bass on Long Live Rock N Roll. Bob wasn't asked back.

Those YouTube users haven't been taking the Osbournes to court. Bob has. He is making a career out of it.
They say revenge is a dish best served cold.

Your comment with regards to 'everyone doing it', doesn't make it legal. See my comment with regards to the digital age and people's sense of entitlement.

2004 or 2011. Doesn't matter. Sharon could turn this screw beyond the threshold of pain.

[rokket]

The person who posted them said they are from Guitar Hero.
Along with a tutorial on how to use'em. Here.

His book.... I am sure people want the dirt on Kahvas Jute.
Ritchie played most of the bass on Long Live Rock N Roll. Bob wasn't asked back.

Those YouTube users haven't been taking the Osbournes to court. Bob has. He is making a career out of it.
They say revenge is a dish best served cold.

Your comment with regards to 'everyone doing it', doesn't make it legal. See my comment with regards to the digital age and people's sense of entitlement.

2004 or 2011. Doesn't matter. Sharon could turn this screw beyond the threshold of pain.

I'm sure Bob would have considered if it was legal or not to have them om his web site. So the person who posted whats on Bob's site said they came from guitar hero? Seems you almost live in hope that Bob will get sued over their use....thats a bit sad don't you think? I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[shred1]

Live by the sword. Die by the sword Rokket.

Note too, Bob has cranked up his 'poor me and Lee' campaign significantly since the death of Don Arden, who, if he was here today, even as an old man, would probably be holding Bob over a balcony by his ankles right now.

You keep asking me to answer questions.... Here is one for you.
Who told Bob and Lee that RR wanted to go back and work with them, after the fact?
It wasn't Randy, because, as per Lee's comments in the Bravewords interview, he didn't hear it from Rhoads himself, as he was no longer present.

[rokket]

Live by the sword. Die by the sword Rokket.

Note too, Bob has cranked up his 'poor me and Lee' campaign significantly since the death of Don Arden, who, if he was here today, even as an old man, would probably be holding Bob over a balcony by his ankles right now.

You keep asking me to answer questions.... Here is one for you.
Who told Bob and Lee that RR wanted to go back and work with them, after the fact?
It wasn't Randy, because, as per Lee's comments in the Bravewords interview, he didn't hear it from Rhoads himself, as he was no longer present.

I can't answer your question for one reason, nobody except Bob, it seems, knows the answer or if in fact, there was even talk of another joint effort. To say it was or wasn't going to happen is pure speculation, and proves nothing one way or the other. It's dead in the water. Given that if Randy was still alive when the time to start writing the third album came around, and that Bob was involved in that, then it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to say Ozzy, Randy and Bob would have worked together again.

[Sky]

Text from Bob's site:

4. In his book 'Gods, Gangsters & Honour', Steven Machat gives his thoughts and observations on events surrounding The Blizzard of Ozz...
'Blizzard of Ozz' came out in 1980 in the UK and 1981 in The US, where it would eventually sell more than four million copies. Although it would be billed as Ozzy's first two solo albums, the real creative power behind the throne lay with a trio of musicians: guitarist Randy Rhoads, Rainbow bassist Bob Daisley, and drummer Lee Kerslake, who was with rock group Uriah Heep. I made sure CBS signed Ozzy on a solo deal because I didn't want to waste my time negotiating with the lawyers representing other members of Blizzard. The irony was that CBS made this easy for me because they didn't realise where the creative drive lay.

FACT: They were not signed as a band, as Bob claims.

10. Both you and Lee must have been confident that justice would prevail in the US courts, particularly when Don Arden offered to help you in your case against the Osbournes. In his book 'Gods, Gangsters & Honour', Steven Machat writes about Don Arden's intention to tell the truth:
Don agreed to do the right thing by the boys and tell in his testimony the whole unvarnished truth: Daisley and Kerslake had been royally screwed. Affidavits were drawn up which said that Blizzard was a group recording with Ozzy as a vocalist and the group should split the royalties. Daisley and Kerslake were not sidemen or session musicians playing for a fee. They were equal members of the group and co-owners of the proceeds.

FACT: Papers were drawn up AFTER the fact trying to recoup credits. Not before.

The band was signed to Jet Records, Don Arden's record company. Bob and Lee won a court case against Don and Jet Records in London in 1986 for unpaid performance royalties and proper accreditation on Diary. Steven Machat is talking about an American contract that he did with CBS in the US. 

As soon as Bob and Lee discovered that the Osbournes had been pocketing their performance royalties, they sued them. Don Arden's affidavit was drawn up to support Bob and Lee in their lawsuit against the Osbournes, that's why the excerpt also says that Don agreed to tell the 'unvarnished truth'.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'recoup credits', credits and performance royalties are not the same thing in the UK. Also not sure what you mean by 'after the event'. The affidavits were drawn up when they were needed. What did you think they were for?

I notice in a later posting that you say that someone who posted the tracks said they were from Guitar Hero. Only the person who runs Bob's site can post things there so you must mean the person who posted Guitar Hero tracks on this site? If so, you're making assumptions that they're the same tracks.

Your postings are vague and imaginative to say the least, but your assumptions are not facts. I'm still waiting to see a single shred of 'evidence' to back up any of the conclusions that you jump to.

[shred1]

Jet Records owned the Ozzy catalog for what, 18 months? CBS has owned the catalog since 1981, with the solo deal above. Can we agree on that?

The bulk of sales came after the catalog was sold to CBS. Fact. Not vague.
I didn't read that somewhere. I concluded that. Just because it is not a quote from Bob and Lee, doesn't make it no less factual.

I made sure CBS signed Ozzy on a solo deal because I didn't want to waste my time negotiating with the lawyers representing other members of Blizzard. The irony was that CBS made this easy for me because they didn't realize where the creative drive lay.

My point. .... There were not many sales generated until AFTER the solo contract was signed.

And it was a SOLO DEAL. That fact is right above your dismissal of my 'assumptions'.

I couldn't give a fiddler's f*** who posted the files - here there or anywhere.

Isolated tracks....See many other artists going to this level? and what makes you SO SURE that Bob has access to the masters..... he doesn't. The record company doesn't give the artists master tracks to f*** around with at home. Fact. Just sayin'.

Almost every entertainment contract on the planet includes the phrase 'in whole or in part'. CBS owns those bass tracks. Fact.

I'm gonna rest my case about Bob and Lee.

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

I'm gonna rest my case about Bob and Lee.

We should all be so fortunate.

[SLAGER]

Wow, this thread really devolved into a pretty stupid twit thread. very sad.

[rokket]

Wow, this thread really devolved into a pretty stupid twit thread. very sad.

yep, I give up.........I'm just gonna say Ozzy is god and can do no wrong and Bob just does everything and anything to shoot himself in the foot. He's an average bassist at best, and probably didn't write any lyrics in the first place. Ozzy and Randy could have written the first two albums all on their own and they would have been just as awesome, if not more so. Ozzy is a great lyricist and musician, and probably guided Randy through the process of writing and recording the albums in the short time they were done.

Whats more, any one of the hundred or so drummers they auditioned would have done the job just as well as Lee, but they just wanted to go through the process of auditions for experience and fun. Ozzy felt sorry for Bob and said he could write the lyrics and help write the music, and Ozzy would just go to the pub and leave them to it.

Ozzy knew he could have done a better job thats why he didn't make sure royalties and performance royalties were paid, because no one else really deserved them.

Bob and Lee should be greatful that they got ripped off, not angry about it...they should be singing the praises of Ozzy, because without him they wouldn't have had a job, and wouldn't have been a part of any great music recordings.

Yep.....thats the way it should be in the music history books, because Ozzy knows the real story.

It'll all be in the book.