My last post about the crash.

[Matlike]

I can't remember all the details of the official report of any mechanical problems or whatnot but I was thinking, and have thought about it for 20 years but it occured to me the other day....

Would it be so wrong to take into consideration that they were having a nice flight, doing a few flybys and buzzing the plane for fun and the plane simply started to have mechanical problems of it's own, maybe the plane just fucked up and they lost control of it and it tilted on it's side and maybe that is the struggle that was seen as Randy and Andrew were trying like hell to correct the damn plane while it was going down, maybe Andrew was going to have some fun with one more pass by the bus but they unfortunately lost control and crashed where they did...of all the conspiracy theories and drug related theories, I'm thinking maybe it was just plain bad luck and the plane had some kind of internal problems that couldn't be stopped..

and I can remember reading that those Beechwood Bonanza planes were known to not be all that reliable and were prone to mechanical problems, I mean just looking at one they look like little suicide death machines, you couldn't pay me enough to get in one of those POS planes.

[rokket]

I can't remember all the details of the official report of any mechanical problems or whatnot but I was thinking, and have thought about it for 20 years but it occured to me the other day....

Would it be so wrong to take into consideration that they were having a nice flight, doing a few flybys and buzzing the plane for fun and the plane simply started to have mechanical problems of it's own, maybe the plane just fucked up and they lost control of it and it tilted on it's side and maybe that is the struggle that was seen as Randy and Andrew were trying like hell to correct the damn plane while it was going down, maybe Andrew was going to have some fun with one more pass by the bus but they unfortunately lost control and crashed where they did...of all the conspiracy theories and drug related theories, I'm thinking maybe it was just plain bad luck and the plane had some kind of internal problems that couldn't be stopped..

and I can remember reading that those Beechwood Bonanza planes were known to not be all that reliable and were prone to mechanical problems, I mean just looking at one they look like little suicide death machines, you couldn't pay me enough to get in one of those POS planes.

The unfortunate thing is we'll never know, because as far as I can tell, no investigation was carried out on the wreckage to see if "perhaps" there was a problem with the plane. As soon as it was discovered that that plane had not had an inspection in the 12 months prior to the crash, it would have been obvious to me that it should be considered and looked at.

Not that it changes the out come, but, it should have happened. Geez, imagine if for every plane, car, train etc crash, we just adopted the attitude of, "well it won't bring the people back so why bother investigating" ....safety would never been improved, mechanical parts would never improve, etc etc etc..... what a disaster.

[Matlike]

I can't remember all the details of the official report of any mechanical problems or whatnot but I was thinking, and have thought about it for 20 years but it occured to me the other day....

Would it be so wrong to take into consideration that they were having a nice flight, doing a few flybys and buzzing the plane for fun and the plane simply started to have mechanical problems of it's own, maybe the plane just fucked up and they lost control of it and it tilted on it's side and maybe that is the struggle that was seen as Randy and Andrew were trying like hell to correct the damn plane while it was going down, maybe Andrew was going to have some fun with one more pass by the bus but they unfortunately lost control and crashed where they did...of all the conspiracy theories and drug related theories, I'm thinking maybe it was just plain bad luck and the plane had some kind of internal problems that couldn't be stopped..

and I can remember reading that those Beechwood Bonanza planes were known to not be all that reliable and were prone to mechanical problems, I mean just looking at one they look like little suicide death machines, you couldn't pay me enough to get in one of those POS planes.

The unfortunate thing is we'll never know, because as far as I can tell, no investigation was carried out on the wreckage to see if "perhaps" there was a problem with the plane. As soon as it was discovered that that plane had not had an inspection in the 12 months prior to the crash, it would have been obvious to me that it should be considered and looked at.

Not that it changes the out come, but, it should have happened. Geez, imagine if for every plane, car, train etc crash, we just adopted the attitude of, "well it won't bring the people back so why bother investigating" ....safety would never been improved, mechanical parts would never improve, etc etc etc..... what a disaster.

True, true. However I really only see people pointing fingers at Andrew and have never heard just a normal, logical answer that the plane was not in good condition and it simply went down, which I'm really starting to believe, and I've heard it all about this story, and everyone who knew Andrew said he was a nice guy, and I could have sworn I read somewhere that even though he had traces of coke in him, he wasn't all doped up at the time of it all (correct me if I'm wrong, I know someone will anyway lol). It just doesn't make sense to me that he was a good guy but on that day he all of a sudden went crazy and wanted to kill everyone with the plane or his ex or whatever...

[hansolo]

Ok try this. Get an amateur (doesn't fly for a living) pilot who had his flying license but it expired. Have him drive a bus from Knoxville to Leesburg. Give 'em a few bumps of cocaine along the way. Give him a plane and give him the instructions to repeatedly buzz a bus by a house and trees. Are you getting on the plane? How can any one NOT think this was caused by irresponsibility? Now it's plane mod's (wing fuel tanks) or heart attacks? Even if it was something on the plane that caused the accident, it's still the pilot who decided to fly someone elses plane without permission! People do stupid shit every day. I really don't see ANY point to your argument. Whose fault is it then? Is the thief responsible for his own life if he steals a car which has no brakes and he goes over a cliff?

[hansolo]

All dead people are now angels whether you believe in angels or not. Try talking bad about someone who died recently. And just because someone didn't dish out their friends unsavory side didn't mean he didn't have one. Friends don't don't talk about bad stuff they did when they were alive when someone dies. And do we have a day-to-day accurate account of Andrew's life documenting all his deeds good and bad? Your reasoning has so many holes, like Swiss cheese. I don't think what happened on March 19th 1982 was evil, it was simply being irresponsible. Sometimes you get away scott-free and other times you have to pay the piper...

[rokket]

Ok try this. Get an amateur (doesn't fly for a living) pilot who had his flying license but it expired. Have him drive a bus from Knoxville to Leesburg. Give 'em a few bumps of cocaine along the way. Give him a plane and give him the instructions to repeatedly buzz a bus by a house and trees. Are you getting on the plane? How can any one NOT think this was caused by irresponsibility? Now it's plane mod's (wing fuel tanks) or heart attacks? Even if it was something on the plane that caused the accident, it's still the pilot who decided to fly someone elses plane without permission! People do stupid shit every day. I really don't see ANY point to your argument. Whose fault is it then? Is the thief responsible for his own life if he steals a car which has no brakes and he goes over a cliff?

No, he didn't fly for a living, but with 1500 flying hours up he wasn't exactly new to flying. He was also rated in instruments, aircraft and helicopters, which takes a bit of extra hard work on his behalf. There are a lot of pilots out there not rated.....a rating is not something that automatically comes with a license, bit like an advanced drivers course, you are not automatically rated as having done one.

As for the bumps of cocaine, it only showed up in his urine sample NOT his blood, which means he hadn't done coke for at least 12 hours before flying.

Heart attacks were all ruled out by the autopsy reports. However, the plane mod (and it appears that there had been) should have been looked into.

Flying without permission. No, he did not have permission from the planes owner, he couldn't have, he was out of town on business, but one question I have is........Did he ask the property owners brother, who was there, to take the plane up?.......I think that is an important question is the scheme of things, specifically because the plane had not had it's annual inspection in the 12 months prior to the crash, Aycock surely couldn't have known that, it wasn't his plane.

[hansolo]

AA would still be able to tell if it had been inspected. You would think such an "advanced driver" or pilot would check things on a plane before flying it. The guy was repeatedly buzzing a bus. I don't see how anyone can't come to the "They-took-too-many-chances flying that low near trees" conclusions. I must be blunt - I think there is a need to have a sense that it was an unavoidable fate and couldn't have been prevented. That doesn't make anyone bad but it's just so unlikely. The most likely scenario - He misjudged the bus and the wing hit the bus. Not evil-like. Satan took Randy's soul for payment from Ozzy from the Sabbath days...

[dmnjr]

Satan took Randy's soul? Little bit of a stretch don't ya think?

[hansolo]

That was my point. It wasn't a cult sacrifice. It was an accident that could of been avoided by not getting in a plane with this guy. As I said before, it doesn't make AA evil or Randy stupid. It was a stupid accident.

[dmnjr]

Ahhh!!! Gotcha. Well said point.

[hansolo]

Peace all! Let us not mourn Randy's life but celebrate it! I'm listening to the remasters now. I'm on Blizzard currently and had to hop on...

[Nifareus]

Does anybody know when Randy had the tooth ache and how close it was to the day of the accident?


I only wonder because Randy's toxicology report shows he had traces of mild painkillers in his body, specifically Darvocet. This is known because of the salicylic acid and propoxyphene combination, which is specific to the medication that can stay in your system for nine days.

Some side effects are impaired alertness, confusion, and drowsiness.

I wonder if Randy had taken this medication for the dental problems?

[rokket]

Does anybody know when Randy had the tooth ache and how close it was to the day of the accident?


I only wonder because Randy's toxicology report shows he had traces of mild painkillers in his body, specifically Darvocet. This is known because of the salicylic acid and propoxyphene combination, which is specific to the medication that can stay in your system for nine days.

Some side effects are impaired alertness, confusion, and drowsiness.

I wonder if Randy had taken this medication for the dental problems?

It would make sense......having just had problems with a wisdom tooth......ya need em...!!!!

[Rhoads-Fan]

The thing that gets me is that Randy was afraid to fly. I hate to fly. If it wasn't for vacation or business I would never get in a plane. Especially some small aircraft. You couldn't assure me of anything. No "he won't do anything stupid" or "he was fine when we went up" could make me go up, no sir. Maybe the pain killers clouded Randy's judgement?

Either way Andy, Randy and Rachel are gone. I've had so many dreams about that accident and they help me to be at peace with it.

[Silver Rhoads]

He was supposed to see another dentist on that day. I think it mentions it in Rudy's book and/or from others. He had some of the four pulled and had to pull another or have them checked. He was definitely experiencing discomfort. I don't think the painkiller would have made him that loopy that he couldn't decide to get on the plane or not. Rudy seemed to think he was very happy that morning and just looking forward to the experience of taking the ride and snapping some photos.

I can understand why so many people feel the way they do. Randy's passing is a HUGE LOSS to the music world and to his family, friends and fans. I think that's why people talk about this accident so much. It's still not going to change a thing and that is s**t.