News on Bob's "Grail" tapes...

[RhoadsRockPhotographer]

yes it would be cool to hear what randy was working on but ultimately it's not something randy would have wanted release in its raw form

No basis in fact.

Well randy wasn't overly keen on the quiet riot stuff getting attention once he had the ozzy gig......
He also was VERY paranoid about his tone (esp on the diary tour) so it doesn't take a genius to figure out he most likely wouldn't have liked any in studio jams, where he probably work on his guitar sound for all of 10 seconds.

See i'm picking a lot of these "tapes" are just from shitty mobile recording units at best

Like I said.

No basis in fact.

[Tito]

well give us some facts on basis RRP!!!???

[shawn]

I have a band and we are signed to small indie label and play about 50 or 60 shows a year.. i can tell you that we have former members that claim to have written "everything" and thats total BS. Not saying that person in my band didn't help and do his part. Just sating that "everything" is def stretching it. They use this to justify their importance. I often feel like this is were Bob is. Just my opinion.

Bob has never said that he wrote everything, never. He does have on his site a song by song analysis of the material he wrote on the two Randy records, he has never said that he wrote everything. Bob freely admits to lyrics written by Ozzy as well as vocal melody parts by Ozzy in detail along with the other members ideas and input.

btw.. if you read I AM OZZY, Ozzy doesn't make any bones about it. He speaks a lot about how well he got along with Bob. Said the Bob was his drinking buddy in the early days and that they really were close and go along well. That is likely why Bob kept coming back. They did get along.

Bob has sated many times that the reason he went back to record with Ozzy is that he was given assurances by Ozzy and $haron that they would help Bob and Lee’s case against Don/Jet. He has stated that he was unaware that Ozzy/Sharon had purchased the rights to those albums and where withholding his royalties. This is part of the reason he has now said he will never trust those two again.


I do agree, there are always two sides to a story, but when one person constantly changes there side of the story and the other sticks to theirs over many years it does make you lean in the favour of one and not the other.

[sytharnia]

yes it would be cool to hear what randy was working on but ultimately it's not something randy would have wanted release in its raw form

No basis in fact.

Well randy wasn't overly keen on the quiet riot stuff getting attention once he had the ozzy gig......
He also was VERY paranoid about his tone (esp on the diary tour) so it doesn't take a genius to figure out he most likely wouldn't have liked any in studio jams, where he probably work on his guitar sound for all of 10 seconds.

See i'm picking a lot of these "tapes" are just from shitty mobile recording units at best

Like I said.

No basis in fact.

well unless someone can contact him in the after life half of the stuff on these sites aren't based on FACT..........

but LOGIC (if you even know what that is) based on years of reading articles etc about randy (again these articles are written by some one who isn't randy so are probably only partly based on fact) tells me roughly what randy mighty think of these.

So unless you can prove randy would have wanted these based on FACT then I think we are at deadlock

[SPTiger]

I'm not familiar with the music business and contracts so someone help me here. It's my understanding that Bob and Lee have been paid royalties for their writing contribution to the Blizzard of Ozz LP, but obviously NOT for Diary of a Madman, and haven't been paid performance royalties for either LP. Am I correct? I know nothing of the music business and I'm trying to understand what they're trying to recoup via all these lawsuits.

[shawn]

Hello SpTiger your best bet to find out the story behind Bob’s story is to go to his site and read what he has to say about it. You will get his side of the story there anyway. He is a very friendly individual, he has no problem answering any questions that you may have.

http://www.bobdaisley.com/

[Paul Wolfe]

but LOGIC (if you even know what that is) based on years of reading articles etc about randy (again these articles are written by some one who isn't randy so are probably only partly based on fact) tells me roughly what randy mighty think of these.

I understand your point, but could you point to what Randy ever said (or what you recall reading) about not releasing stuff he considered not up to par? He's been quoted as saying he wasn't thrilled with some of the stuff on Diary because it was rushed, but I've never seen a quote saying he wished it weren't released.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Randy was quoted as saying he did want the QR stuff released. His mom has been quoted as saying Randy wouldn't want it released. Maybe that's where you got the idea Randy wouldn't want these tapes released?

Just curious and trying to understand your point of view more clearly.

[sytharnia]

I understand your point, but could you point to what Randy ever said (or what you recall reading) about not releasing stuff he considered not up to par? He's been quoted as saying he wasn't thrilled with some of the stuff on Diary because it was rushed, but I've never seen a quote saying he wished it weren't released.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Randy was quoted as saying he did want the QR stuff released. His mom has been quoted as saying Randy wouldn't want it released. Maybe that's where you got the idea Randy wouldn't want these tapes released?

Just curious and trying to understand your point of view more clearly.

Yes randy wanted the QR stuff released in america because he was a loyal guy and QR was a huge part of his life, for the time the recordings sound OK...but yes the quote came more from his mom, but I think she would have a pretty good understanding of what her son thought deep down.......

I also remember reading he didn't really like little dolls because of not having time to record a proper solo....no it doesn't mean he didn't want it released but it did bother him enough to affect how he felt about the song.....also he was very frustrated with his guitar tone on the diary tour, again showing how particular he was about things.

Having heard that "suicide solution" demo that is floating around and how terrible it sounds I really can't see randy jumping over the moon at the prospect that it would be included in something that is supposed to highlight how great those 2 albums are. Again to me it just seems logical that he wouldn't want this sort of thing released, obviously other disagree

[Sky]

I understand your point, but could you point to what Randy ever said (or what you recall reading) about not releasing stuff he considered not up to par? He's been quoted as saying he wasn't thrilled with some of the stuff on Diary because it was rushed, but I've never seen a quote saying he wished it weren't released.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Randy was quoted as saying he did want the QR stuff released. His mom has been quoted as saying Randy wouldn't want it released. Maybe that's where you got the idea Randy wouldn't want these tapes released?

Just curious and trying to understand your point of view more clearly.

Yes randy wanted the QR stuff released in america because he was a loyal guy and QR was a huge part of his life, for the time the recordings sound OK...but yes the quote came more from his mom, but I think she would have a pretty good understanding of what her son thought deep down.......

I also remember reading he didn't really like little dolls because of not having time to record a proper solo....no it doesn't mean he didn't want it released but it did bother him enough to affect how he felt about the song.....also he was very frustrated with his guitar tone on the diary tour, again showing how particular he was about things.

Having heard that "suicide solution" demo that is floating around and how terrible it sounds I really can't see randy jumping over the moon at the prospect that it would be included in something that is supposed to highlight how great those 2 albums are. Again to me it just seems logical that he wouldn't want this sort of thing released, obviously other disagree

Bob has already said that the 'Suicide Solution' demo that's floating around isn't from his tapes . Apparently it was Ozzy, Bob and Randy writing at Ezee Hire before Lee was in the band. Bob says his tapes are much better quality and I should think all four members of Blizzard Of Ozz are on them.
Sky

[Jazznroll]

When or where did bob clarify that its not from his tapes? , i must've missed it.

[Sky]

When or where did bob clarify that its not from his tapes? , i must've missed it.

Bob said this on his facebook.....

Hi Daniel, It's Ozzy, Randy and me writing the first version of 'Suicide Solution'. It's at Ezee Hire in London before we found Lee Kerslake. 'Not sure who the drummer is, somebody that we were trying out. I wrote the lyrics later at Ridge Farm. It's not from my tape collection, mine is better quality than that. Cheers, Bob.

[Jazznroll]

When or where did bob clarify that its not from his tapes? , i must've missed it.

Bob said this on his facebook.....

Hi Daniel, It's Ozzy, Randy and me writing the first version of 'Suicide Solution'. It's at Ezee Hire in London before we found Lee Kerslake. 'Not sure who the drummer is, somebody that we were trying out. I wrote the lyrics later at Ridge Farm. It's not from my tape collection, mine is better quality than that. Cheers, Bob.

So theres hope of better things to come, Cheers.

[Paul Wolfe]

Having heard that "suicide solution" demo that is floating around and how terrible it sounds I really can't see randy jumping over the moon at the prospect that it would be included in something that is supposed to highlight how great those 2 albums are. Again to me it just seems logical that he wouldn't want this sort of thing released, obviously other disagree

The way I see it, the 25-year-old Randy Rhoads who died in 1982 might not have been keen on these tapes being released. At that time, such things were never released. Demos and boxed sets just weren't part of the equation.

The 54-year-old Randy Rhoads that would be around today might very well see things differently. Those tapes would be a good learning tool for guitar players who are learning the craft of songwriting. I think Randy would see that. Instead of trying to write a song and saying, "That's not good enough," one could look at the progress of the songs taking shape and see that the 'classics' we love didn't start out exactly as we know them.

That Suicide tape isn't great quality, but you can easily hear what is going on and hear the progression from that tape to the final draft of Suicide Solution and the genesis of No Bone Movies. Personally, the quality isn't as important to me as the content. The content is a priceless look at the creative process of a brilliant team.

Ultimately, Randy was a teacher. These tapes would be a great teaching tool (as I've mentioned). If they were marketed as a teaching tool, along with a book explaining the theory of songwriting and explaining the progression from one draft of a song to the next draft of that song, this could be one of the best selling instruction tools in decades. THAT would be the best way to further the legacy of Randy Rhoads that everyone here likes to talk about.

[hansolo]

Would Randy's opinion have changed if someone said, you are going to die tomorrow (I don't mean to be morbid) and this is all your leaving. Ozzy bootlegs? QR? Practice/lesson tapes? He also said, "I don't want to stop here." in the MTV best new guitarist clip. He didn't know he would die so young three months later.

[DMRX]

Ultimately, Randy was a teacher. These tapes would be a great teaching tool (as I've mentioned). If they were marketed as a teaching tool, along with a book explaining the theory of songwriting and explaining the progression from one draft of a song to the next draft of that song, this could be one of the best selling instruction tools in decades. THAT would be the best way to further the legacy of Randy Rhoads that everyone here likes to talk about.

Agreed,but I could see back then..what is VERY Often not fully realised is that Randy Has Achieved So much as we are here 30 years later still being Dazzled by his work,which in reality is just TWO RECORDS!!! Tribut is all the same songs & Two B-sides!! As Dee & Others as well as Randy have said "I dont have time,I have to SORT Things out"
In Reality,Blizzard wasnt even out a whole Year in America by the time of the Accident! Thats often Overshadowed by the accident & his Postumus releases.
I mean he left home,went to England w/Ozz wrote for a few months,recorded,Went home for a few weeks,went bak to England did a Tour,right back into writing then the Studio,then to America to Tour from April-the Fall of 1981,then rehearsals & the UK Diary tour (which Ozzy had to Pull out early on) Right back to the BIG Diary Tour HEADLINING Arenas in America for the few months before the accident!!
No Internet in those days MTV was 6 months old when he died,I am very Glad he got a feature in his lifetime on the New Cable Network that would in the next few years be the biggest Radio station in the world!! He was looking at Touring through the rest of 82 & another album & Tour to Fufil his Obligations to Ozzy/Jet
,So it all happened so fast & he had so much already planned for the next year or two at the time of his death that we often dont think how Crazy that had to be on him So going from the Name he was making for himself (& finally starting to reap the rewards of his work) with the "PRINCE of Darkness" & to have those QR albums (which were not really....from the heart..they were Managed by Clowns Steering them in a Trendy Bay City Rollers direction,I personally Love ther QR Magic Wand EP,those were REAL Raw,Garage Rockin tunes that I'd imagine were the Direction He & Kelly G were shooting for before Bad Managment that Fucked em,I mean they Sold Out the Starwood 3 nights in a Row alot of Weekends & would always end up havin to pay Managment for this or that ) But to take that & say....Mamas little angels...the lyrics are Rediculous at best. After his work on Ozzys records & Recording & PRODUCING the records in a LIVE-IN Studio w/seasoned Professionals,hed be embaressed in comparison....although playing devils advocate he'd prob let em out years later ,like you said being a teacher.
Kevin (R.I.P) Did an Amazing & Underrated Job w/those QR tapes