Blizzard-What if???

[brandon9624]

This crossed my mind recently while looking into the Daisley/Osbourne feud.
What happens if The Blizzard of Ozz was missing any of the three-
Randy's Guitar playing
Ozzy as frontman
Daisley's songwriting

Randy's complex guitar playing was perfectly suited for creating the dark atmosphere,
Ozzy had always seemed to need Daisley's songwriting to help keep the madman persona going (Ultimate Sin vs Bark at the Moon),
I don't believe Daisley's lyrics would have ever worked with another band (I can't see Rainbow playing songs like Diary of a Madman or Suicide Solution)
Could it have been successful missing any of those three in the early years?

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Well i don't think Ozzy had a successful album after Diary until he released 'No More Tears'. But that is just my view on this. But a very valid point and the first line up had the creative juices to make those 2 classic albums. Ozzy cannot write to save his life, so he has to get people like Bob Daisley on board. Bob's good at turning a shit idea in to a well polished turd with glitter on. Plus he's played with some of the best people in the music business.

[sytharnia]

Well i don't think Ozzy had a successful album after Diary until he released 'No More Tears'. But that is just my view on this. But a very valid point and the first line up had the creative juices to make those 2 classic albums. Ozzy cannot write to save his life, so he has to get people like Bob Baisley on board. Bob's good at turning a shit idea in to a well polished turd with glitter on. Plus he's played with some of the best people in the music business.

OK if Bob is SO GREAT can you tell me apart from ozzy's stuff (and maybe at a stretch uriah heep and gary moore) what has bob written that has been hugely successful??

I see it like this......ozzy's music (BOO/DOAM) is all about randy's riffs/rhythms so I would guess that 99% of what was written originated from a rhoads riff. Secondly ozzy 99% of the time came up with the melodies that became the vocal lines. Bob wrote words to those melodies. Thing is when you have really strong melodies lyrics are very easy to write, so how "good" is bob without those strong melodies??? (see my first question)

I'm not playing down what bob contributed but clearly it was a band effort that made those albums magic and if you took out any of the players out then it wounld have been the same

[Paul Wolfe]

OK if Bob is SO GREAT can you tell me apart from ozzy's stuff (and maybe at a stretch uriah heep and gary moore) what has bob written that has been hugely successful??

What Ozzy stuff is "hugely successful" with Randy? One song, Crazy Train. Nothing else became the hit that song did. In fact, Flying High Again was the only other 'hit'. Sure the records sold well, but were they 'hugely successful' at the time? No.

Bob's input wasn't just the lyrics, Bob and Lee helped with the arrangements of the songs. Just because Randy played a cool part, doesn't mean he was seasoned enough to do all the arrangements. The Blizzard was a band. They worked out the songs as a band. So lose any one member and the magic would disappear.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Bob's input wasn't just the lyrics, Bob and Lee helped with the arrangements of the songs. Just because Randy played a cool part, doesn't mean he was seasoned enough to do all the arrangements. The Blizzard was a band. They worked out the songs as a band. So lose any one member and the magic would disappear.

Very true.....

[GUITARIDOL5682]

OK if Bob is SO GREAT can you tell me apart from ozzy's stuff (and maybe at a stretch uriah heep and gary moore) what has bob written that has been hugely successful??

These may not of been HUGELY successful but an impressive back catalogue to say the least. If Bob wasn't as great as you mentioned i don't think the first Ozzy albums would of been as good. He even guided Randy who was a pure novice in the studio.
Bands & Artists Bob Daisley has played with include:
* The Hoochie Coochie Men
* Gary Moore
* Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
* Black Sabbath
* Blizzard Of Ozz
* Uriah Heep
* Ozzy Osbourne
* Living Loud
* Kahvas Jute
* Mother's Army
* Chicken Shack
* Dio
* Mungo Jerry
* Jon Lord
* Steve Vai
* Yngwie Malmsteem

...to name but a few of his collaborations as a writer, performer & producer.

[The Flying Dutchman]

The Yngwie Malmsteen album 'Odyssey' Bob did with him in 1988 is Yngwie's most succesfull album till this day.......

(check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngwie_Malmsteen)

[sytharnia]

What Ozzy stuff is "hugely successful" with Randy? One song, Crazy Train. Nothing else became the hit that song did. In fact, Flying High Again was the only other 'hit'. Sure the records sold well, but were they 'hugely successful' at the time? No.

Bob's input wasn't just the lyrics, Bob and Lee helped with the arrangements of the songs. Just because Randy played a cool part, doesn't mean he was seasoned enough to do all the arrangements. The Blizzard was a band. They worked out the songs as a band. So lose any one member and the magic would disappear.

I'm not playing down what bob contributed but clearly it was a band effort that made those albums magic and if you took out any of the players out then it wouldn't have been the same

which is what I said....

The successful part was more about bobs work with ozzy, not so much just randy (and BOO and DOAM are multi platinium now...which is pretty successful) ......I mean BATM and esp TUS were big sellers

With out searching goggle can anyone name another song bob wrote just off the top of your head??...I sure as hell can't. I know i'm coming across as not liking bob, but that's not true, I love everything he did with ozzy, but is really annoys me when people play down what ozzy does in his own band

These may not of been HUGELY successful but an impressive back catalogue to say the least. If Bob wasn't as great as you mentioned i don't think the first Ozzy albums would of been as good. He even guided Randy who was a pure novice in the studio.
Bands & Artists Bob Daisley has played with include:
* The Hoochie Coochie Men
* Gary Moore
* Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
* Black Sabbath
* Blizzard Of Ozz
* Uriah Heep
* Ozzy Osbourne
* Living Loud
* Kahvas Jute
* Mother's Army
* Chicken Shack
* Dio
* Mungo Jerry
* Jon Lord
* Steve Vai
* Yngwie Malmsteem

...to name but a few of his collaborations as a writer, performer & producer.

it is an impressive catalogue for sure but for some of the big names on that list he would have been the BASS player note a writer (DIO (pretty sure he never played on anythin with ronnie), Malmsteen (didn't writing anything), Rainbow (he was only on LLRnR so after their best stuff), sabbath )

The Yngwie Malmsteen album 'Odyssey' Bob did with him in 1988 is Yngwie's most succesfull album till this day.......

(check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngwie_Malmsteen)

and bob DIDN"T WRITE A NOTE OF IT and yngwie hates it (mainly because it was to POP)

If you want to quote wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_%2 ... n_album%29

[The Flying Dutchman]

Could be but Bob had his influence on that album for sure.
I think that Odyssey has the best songwriting of all Malmsteen albums....

[GUITARIDOL5682]

Where are you going with this ....what are you trying to say. So if Bob isn't as good as you say and doesn't write HIT tunes does that make him shit ?. If your not dissing the guy why persue this thread.
Rainbow's Long Live RocknRoll was a classic album.

[whoopiecat]

Ozzy does have a unique voice and he does indeed have a knack for coming up with excellent melody lines, they are his signature and probably play a major part in the success of his live shows: it's one big sing-along, but that's where Ozzy's input ends really.
Bob wrote the lyrics, and was called back time and again to do so, as well as play a major role in writing and arranging the music, and let's not forget he could play a little bit of bass.
If you've read I Am Ozzy, the man claims he is Dyslexic, which means difficulty in reading, speaking, and/or spelling.
How many hit songs has Ozzy written solely by himself? I would think the confession above answers that question.
I'm not slagging the guy, Elton John can't write lyrics either, and Bernie Taupin can't sing or play the piano, but, it's their collaboration that makes the songs so fantastic.
Geezer wrote for Ozzy in the 70's, Bob in the 80's and several in the 90s-00s.
Ozzy has been extremely fortunate in the people he's collaborated with throughout his career.
Bob has said that Ozzy did come up with lyric ideas here and there, but by no means did he ever write a complete set. For all we know, "Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker" could have been something Ozzy heard in the pub.
Randy was a talented guy, but as others have said, he was pretty green when the whole thing started, and he really hadn't worked with a musician and songwriter of professional caliber before.
Working, playing, and writing with Ozzy, Bob and Lee helped Randy grow as a musician. I'm not taking anything away from the guy, but some of his ideas came from what he had already written for Quiet Riot. Why not? He did the lion's share of the songwriting in that group.
At the end of the day, Bob's claim to fame, great bass playing aside, is that he is the words and music of Ozzy Osbourne.

[whoopiecat]

I Don't Know: I think the title was Ozzy's but I wrote all the lyrics of the song except one line - 'ya gotta believe in foolish miracles' - which was also Ozzy's.

Crazy Train: The title was mine and 99% of the lyrics were mine. I think a word or two came from Ozzy.

Goodbye to Romance: Ozzy had a few lines ready for this one, including the title but I wrote most of the lyrics. My message was directed at Ozzy to 'look ahead' and not get stuck in the past regarding his dismissal from Black Sabbath, which was still bothering him. I wrote the outro lyrics in the control room of a Birmingham demo studio when we first recorded the song as a demo for the record company. I still have that demo. Incidentally, the title is a line from an Everly Brothers' song 'Bye, Bye Love'.

Suicide Solution: My title and all my lyrics except the first line which was Ozzy's - 'wine is fine but whisky's quicker' - and that was his whole and sole contribution, other than his usual vocal melody.

Mr. Crowley: The title was Ozzy's, an ode to Aleister Crowley. Ozzy also had a couple of lines within the song but again most of the lyrics were mine. Being that Crowley was reputed to be a black magician, I didn't want to make it a negative message and turned it into a 'Crowley, what were you thinking?' theme.

No Bone Movies: Title and lyrics all mine. Ozzy, Randy, Randy's girlfriend Jody and I had been to see a porn flick in Soho, London and Randy called it a 'bone movie' which I don't think I'd ever heard.

Revelation (Mother Earth): When it came time to write the lyrics at Ridge Farm during the recording of the album, I was reading parts of 'Revelations' in the bible. I read a lot of philosophy and all sorts of schools of thought, which influenced the lyrics and message in the song. Ozzy did come up with a couple of lines in this one too though.

Steal Away the Night: The 'steal away' part was Ozzy's, I think we used it in another song originally but didn't suit it as much as where it ended up. Nearly all the lyrics are mine.

You Looking at Me, Looking at You: Originally meant to be on the album but ended up as a B-side for the single when 'No Bone Movies' which was supposed to be the B-side but made it onto the album. 'You Looking at Me' was one of the first songs we wrote together. The title and lyrics are all mine, Ozzy may have put in a word or two.

Diary of a Madman

Over the Mountain: Title and lyrics were mine. To be fair, Ozzy's melodies and scat singing before lyrics were written sometimes influenced what I wrote, the lyrics were written to fit his phrasing on most songs.

Flying High Again: The title and lyrics were mine, Ozzy may have put in a word or two again. In my book, there's a whole story about how this song came about from an experience I had as a young lad playing in bands in Australia. The title actually came from a very 'straight' bloke who asked me a question about drugs.

You Can't Kill Rock 'N' Roll: Ozzy's title, and a few words were his but the meat and potatoes of the lyrics were mine. I wrote it about being screwed by record companies and being lied to, a premonition me thinks...

Believer: My title and lyrics. I was reading about the power of belief at the time and wanted to convey a positive message. Maybe a word or two from Ozzy and some inspiration from his phrasing but all my idea.

Little Dolls: My title and lyrics. Again, maybe a word or two here and there from Ozzy but totally my idea. A song about Voodoo without mentioning the word. Fuck knows how I came up with that one...

Tonight: Ozzy had originally sung 'just a kiss before we say goodnight' to open the song but I thought that was a bit soppy so changed the idea to someone down and out on the street. I think Lee came up with the 'tonight' where it ended up in the chorus but I wrote almost all the lyrics.

S.A.T.O.: Not my title, Ozzy and Sharon changed it from 'Strange Voyage' which had been mine, to 'S.A.T.O.' after Lee and I were ousted. I wrote the lyrics about how life can be a strange voyage and was inspired by a Buddhist text entitled 'A Ship to Cross the Sea of Suffering'. The S.A.T.O part is explained in my book.

Diary of a Madman: My title and lyrics. The title came from a movie of the same name which I'd seen starring Vincent price. When I told Ozzy about my idea he loved it and that became the title of the next album before we'd even started writing it. I wrote the lyrics about my own personal experience which I go into detail about in the book. When Randy, Lee and I first worked up the music for the song without Ozzy, he came in the next day, heard what we had and said, "Who the fuck do you think I am, Frank Zappa?"

Bark at the Moon

Bark at the Moon: Ozzy's title, which came from a saying he had, 'eat shit and bark at the moon' but I wrote all the lyrics. Based on a fictitious 'Hammer Horror' type character.

You're No Different: Ozzy's title. He wanted it to be about people judging and criticizing him, which was happening in the press at the time, so that's what I wrote it about.

Now You See It (Now You Don't): My title and lyrics. A simple ditty about hiding a sausage...

Rock 'N' Roll Rebel: Ozzy's title and another one about him being accused of being a devil worshiper. Some of the lyrics were his too but about 90% were mine.

Centre of Eternity: My title and lyrics. A tongue-in-cheek philosophical look at 'time' and our existence in eternity.

So Tired: My title and lyrics. Something quite unusual for me to write - a love song. The idea came from a Kinks' song I heard on the radio one night driving back home from Ridge Farm. Their song was called 'Tired of Waiting' but that's where the similarities end.

Slow Down: My title and lyrics. Inspired by The Beatles' song of the same name but again, that's where the similarities end, the lyrics are very different. I remember Jake E. Lee particularly liked this one.

Waiting for Darkness: Ozzy's title but I wrote all the lyrics. I wrote it about the hypocrisy within organized religion, the brainwashing, mind control, paedophilia and manipulation through guilt, and that if that's what equates to the 'light' then I'll wait for the 'darkness'. When Ozzy was asked what the song was about during his interview with 'International Musician' magazine, mentioned earlier, his answer was, "A witch." It seems he didn't understand the lyrics I'd written and he'd sung, although he took credit for writing it.

Spiders: My title and lyrics. When we were recording 'Bark' at Ridge Farm, there were hundreds of little spiders everywhere. They were harmless but the glut of them inspired the song idea. I turned it around at the end with 'the spider's in your head'...

One Up the B-side: Specifically written as the commissioned B-side for a single release, hence the title. My title and lyrics, a parody containing innuendos on anal sex.

The Ultimate Sin

Ozzy (or someone other than me) came up with the titles for all the songs on this album, including the title track. I had co-written a lot of the music with Jake E. Lee in Palm Springs while Ozzy was in The Betty Ford Clinic there. All the vocal melodies were Ozzy's and most likely the song titles. I was dismissed after a little tiff between Ozzy and me and then called back to write the lyrics for the album a month or so later, so things developed while I was gone. Bass player Phil Soussan used some of my bass lines on the album but I'm glad I didn't play on that one, I think it's Ozzy's worst album. Even he didn't like it and referred to it as 'The Ultimate Din'. But yes, I wrote all the lyrics for that album except for 'Shot in the Dark'.

No Rest for the Wicked

Miracle Man: I can't remember who came up with the title for this one, maybe Ozzy. I wrote all the lyrics which were about a controversial character in the news at the time by the name of Jimmy Swaggart, a bible-punching, hellfire-and-brimstone-threatening evangelist who got busted with a hooker in a cheap motel. I was proud of my ridiculing lyrics on that one, I'll probably go to hell now...

Devil's Daughter: I think the title was Ozzy's but I wrote nearly all the lyrics, maybe Ozzy came up with a few words, to be fair. The 'holy war' part was inspired by a familiar cry during strife in the Middle East at the time but I made it about an exorcism, to make it more commercial and less offensive.

Crazy Babies: Ozzy's title, mostly my lyrics, some of which I'd had since Rainbow days. Ozzy did contribute a few lines here and there but the bulk of it was mine. A simple 'young rebels' theme.

Breaking All the Rules: Ozzy's title and a few lines were his but I wrote a lot of it, more than half. The idea was a 'thinking outside of the square' theme with the obvious rebelliousness.

Bloodbath in Paradise: Ozzy's title and for a while I didn't know what I was going to write it about, he just wanted that particular title. The full story of this is detailed in my book but as a quick explanation, I thought of California being the 'paradise' and then the obvious 'bloodbath' which came to mind was the Charles Manson Family murders in the late '60s, I wrote all of that one.

Fire in the Sky: Ozzy's title and a few of the lyrics were his but 90% were mine. I thought of writing it about a U.F.O. sighting or experience, but Ozzy wanted it about an 'inner child' situation so that's what I wrote it about and included a bit of 'me' in there too.

Tattooed Dancer: I can't quite remember whose title it was but the inspiration for the lyrics came from a strip bar on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood named 'The Seventh Veil' where we used to sometimes ogle the dancing tattooed crumpet. A few lines are Ozzy's but again the bulk of it was mine.

Demon Alcohol: I remember this one well, it was my title and all the lyrics are mine. I wrote it from a standpoint of the 'demon alcohol' singing the song to a weak alcoholic.

No More Tears

I didn't actually write any of the lyrics for 'No More Tears', I only played on it. I was called in at the last moment to play on the album and then when I'd finished recording all my bass parts I stayed on in L.A. to write the lyrics. I got as far as six sets and was then told I'd done enough for the moment. I had asked to be able to retain my publishing rights this time instead of doing a 'buy out' so I could receive royalties... that's when I was sent home.

http://www.bobdaisley.com/interview-website.html

[hansolo]

Dudes, what if Ozzy had hired George Lynch, Dana Strum and a different drummer. They would call themselves the Troubadours. Their first album would feature Jazz fusion and Ozzy would go new wave with spiked short black hair. It would be all about the hairstyle from week to week. "Computer madness" would be the number one hit sweeping the charts. "all aboard, for a rock-n-roll cruise ship" would be the follow up. The live album, "Riding the crazy wave on an insane surfboard" would be as big as Framptom comes alive. Mothers, Prechers, politicians would all praise this line up and several concerts, TV concerts, outtakes and bleeps/blunders are available on a 5 disc DVD set...

[sytharnia]

Where are you going with this ....what are you trying to say. So if Bob isn't as good as you say and doesn't write HIT tunes does that make him shit ?. If your not dissing the guy why persue this thread.
Rainbow's Long Live RocknRoll was a classic album.

I'm not saying he isn't any good, but he is only as good as the people he is working with..that's where i'm going with it.

If ozzy had donald duck writing for him it would be shit....if bob daisley had donald duck singing for him it would be shit.......

Why was randy so much better with ozzy than with QR??....it was the people he was working with, like I said that line up had a magic that need all involved to create that magic....which renders this thread a huge waste of time


Long live RnR is a classic album....but it aren't as good as the first 2 rainbow albums

Could be but Bob had his influence on that album for sure.
I think that Odyssey has the best songwriting of all Malmsteen albums....

It's yngwie dude....he has always written everything on his albums, which is another reason he doesn't like this much because joe did most of the lyrics. And bob only played bass on 4 songs

[GUITARIDOL5682]

I'm not saying he isn't any good, but he is only as good as the people he is working with..that's where i'm going with it.

If ozzy had donald duck writing for him it would be shit....if bob daisley had donald duck singing for him it would be shit.......

Why was randy so much better with ozzy than with QR??....it was the people he was working with, like I said that line up had a magic that need all involved to create that magic....which renders this thread a huge waste of time

Long live RnR is a classic album....but it aren't as good as the first 2 rainbow albums

Well how come Bob is talked about more then Rudy Sarzo. Does Rudy write ? but he can play Bob's parts. He can be recognised for his sound and the difference when you listen to both those bass players. So to me that is down to being a player not a performer. Where Rudy was a showman, good looking guy eye candy for the rock chicks. Don't get me wrong i love Rudy's work but if i had to pick between the 2 it would be Bob. If your not part of the nucleus of the band you are just that, a performer. No writing credits or royalties and just being a hired gun. If Bob wasn't as good as he was, do you think Ozzy would of went else where to find a writer as good. Remember it was Ozzy who fucked up with Bob ripping him off for what he was owed. He could of carried on writing classic tunes with a classic band.